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Jenkins wrote:

R u sure that's her phone?
Because that phone definitely doesn't have a red light on it.
So it turns out her phone doesn't even have a red light?
This has been mentioned over and over again like it's a fact that FW mistook someone smoking a cigarette for a red light on her cell.
So what's the explanation now that we know she didn't have a red light on her phone?
FW still thinks she saw someone smoking, she basically says that the media convinced her otherwise. Can you believe that?
Smoking a cogarett almost had a rhythm to it, it's very distinctive. Seems hard to mistake fr talking on the phone.
Thanks for that link, very interesting. I don't think this proves there was someone smoking by a long shot but it does prove that many of the things that r basically thought of as facts are totally wrong

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backspace4me wrote:

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The shoes are not correct either. MHO only

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Jenkins wrote:

Why is everybody so convinced that beagle Is the guy that made those videos?
The guy dressed as the construction worker clearly isn't him.
The only one that freaks me out is the one titled "black eye" as that is one of the theories I have as to why she had to up and leave Amherst in such a rush.
Has beagle ever admitted it?
How could LE and the family possibly completely eliminate a connection within one day? They obviously lied that first day when they said they ruled them out so r they still lying now?
LE would never admit that a killer was messing with a family using YouTube, that would be a worldwide media shitstorm, like something from a movie.
I just wonder how everyone is SO sure that it's him. I see a fairly strong circumstantial case but nobody has proven it to me yet. Can somebody point me to some sort of proof please

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Jenkins wrote:

R u sure that's her phone?
Because that phone definitely doesn't have a red light on it.
So it turns out her phone doesn't even have a red light?
This has been mentioned over and over again like it's a fact that FW mistook someone smoking a cigarette for a red light on her cell.
So what's the explanation now that we know she didn't have a red light on her phone?
FW still thinks she saw someone smoking, she basically says that the media convinced her otherwise. Can you believe that?
Smoking a cogarett almost had a rhythm to it, it's very distinctive. Seems hard to mistake fr talking on the phone.
Thanks for that link, very interesting. I don't think this proves there was someone smoking by a long shot but it does prove that many of the things that r basically thought of as facts are totally wrong

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Jenkins wrote:

R u sure that's her phone?
Because that phone definitely doesn't have a red light on it.
So it turns out her phone doesn't even have a red light?
This has been mentioned over and over again like it's a fact that FW mistook someone smoking a cigarette for a red light on her cell.
So what's the explanation now that we know she didn't have a red light on her phone?
FW still thinks she saw someone smoking, she basically says that the media convinced her otherwise. Can you believe that?
Smoking a cogarett almost had a rhythm to it, it's very distinctive. Seems hard to mistake fr talking on the phone.
Thanks for that link, very interesting. I don't think this proves there was someone smoking by a long shot but it does prove that many of the things that r basically thought of as facts are totally wrong

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Jenkins wrote:

I feel, & this is obviously just my take on it, that looking at the actions of police that night that they clearly thought this very well could have been an abduction. I think that the next morning the officers were instructed to play down the foul play angle, probably told to investigate it as such but If anybody asks you thought it was a simple car that was abandoned after spinning ou around the corner, hence Cecil smith lying to the family the next day when they arrived.
Why were they at the scene for 2+ hours? That's a really long time for a simple abandonded car.
This is just am example of what LE does when they find an abandoned car After a minor accident, which happens all the time up there, sober and drunk people alike. Some posters like to say only drunk people leave accidents but they've clearly never lived a whole winter in Nh. In Nh people slide off the rd all the time and most of them aren't drunk. Its not like Ct where there's cops all over the place, people r also a lot more self reliant up there. Look at the response time in this accident.
People don't wanna freeze on the side of the rd waiting for the cops & there is absolutely no need for LE to be involved in a car sliding off the rd causing no damage. Lots of people still believe in "live free or die". We don't need cops for mundane shit, we can get our own ride and call our own tow truck from home. So most of the time if they can't get their car off the side of the road they call a friend or hitch a ride into town from somebody.
People act like you have to have a cop at every single thing that happens on the road but that's not true, especially when sometimes you might have to wait over an hour for LE to show up, remember there's a lot more important things cops need to do up there then go to every single car that slid off the road, they would be broke by February if they actually had to do that in Nh.
So why were they at the accident scene for 2+ hours If they really thought this was simply a car that slid off the rd?
They clearly thought something was up from the beginning but they won't admit it without arresting someone at the same time. With the small population just one violent crime more than they have can completely ruin their murder rate. Yea you can have a great murder rate if you don't admit certain things r crimes

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NEOhio wrote:

I am pretty sure that phone has a service light on the outside on one of the corners that blinks when a signal is being received. I used to own this model (or one VERY similar) and I remember you could change the color of the light. I think the default was blue, but maybe she turned hers to red? But then, I wonder, if everything that has been said about lack of cellular signal in the area is true, wouldn't this light not blink at all?

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jwb wrote:

from the hanson express :
In a later interview with Maura's father, Fred Murray, the Westmans could not agree on an exact description of the person in the black Saturn. Faith Westman believed she had seen a man with a cigarette, while Tim Westman believed it was a woman at the scene on her cell phone and that the red light from the phone looked like the tip of a cigarette.
An investigator who later interviewed the Westmans confirmed that the couple did not fully agree on a description.
When asked to clarify for this story the Westmans declined comment. "We've been down that path too many times. It's worn thin," Tim Westman said.
Meanwhile, across the street, neighbor Virginia Marrotte was standing in her kitchen with her husband, John, who was peeling an orange.
"From our kitchen window we saw a car down the road with trouble lights flashing and someone walking around the car," Virginia Marrotte wrote in response to a set of questions sent for this series.
"From our kitchen window we saw a car down the road with trouble lights flashing and someone walking around the car," Virginia Marrotte wrote in response to a set of questions sent for this series.

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findmaura wrote:

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Maybe putting the actual truth in the report wasnt such a good idea?

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Det Columbo wrote:

The damage to the saturn is consistent with hitting an object higher than the front bumper.
That object pushed in the hood and crumpled it towards the Left passengers side indicating the blunt force came from the saturn hitting the object on the right front drivers side.
What the saturn came into contact with and when that occurred is inconclusive at this point.
Did the vehicle have a push bar or brush guard on the front an maybe even pushed the car slightly backwards to where it was found.?
Just thinking "Nose To Nose" here.
John

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whitenoise wrote:

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NOT ME! I don't care what happened to an adult woman who actually drives a car while guzzling booze, leaves an 18 yr old boy to die on the roadside on a freezing cold winter's night, causing him to spend 3 months in the hospital in a coma, and then have to spend more time in a rehab hospital, a woman who is a thief (we know about the WP and UMA crimes, tip of the iceberg), a liar, a drug addict and an alcohol abuser. There is an epidemic of missing people in this country. There are so many missing persons cases that warrant my interest and concern. These people are decent people minding their own business and abducted, never to be seen again: Holly Bobo, Tara Grinstead, Jennifer Kesse. Holly Bobo was dragged out of her own house, her brother looked out a second floor window and witnessed this. Tara and Jennifer were also both taken from their own homes. My heart bleeds for these people and their suffering families. I have compassion burnout and I drop into this forum only occasionally for my own amusement. The only reason so many got hooked on this case is because of Maura's West Point connection. A certain amount of glamour attaches itself to the words West Point. They forget she was there only 3 months and then got kicked out for stealing.