Maura Murray

hannah_b wrote:

<quoted text> Shivering could be a symptom of shock.

I would think that SBD, a former LE admin. employee in MA and most likely trained in First Aid would have recognized those symptoms and come back with a blanket or a mug of hot tea/soup if that was the case. Or... administered or offered a thermal blanket from a First Aid kit at the scene.

pretty good article here based on hannah point (shock) trauma can cause shock and shivering.

http://www.essortment.com/warning-signs-hypot... .

OH and remember according to interviews when EMS and FD arrived Smith was not at the scene. Then Him and Monaghan showed up right after.

Then Smith dismissed EMS after 6 minutes.

John

Det Columbo wrote:

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That puts her going by just about 4 minutes before the BOL was put out and 6 minutes before EMS and FD arrived.
So were the doors of the saturn open befor EMS and FD arr.?
John

John what time did lavoie arrive?

jwb wrote:

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I don't smoke

It was reported very early on (not verified by me by any means) that the heat didn't work in her vehicle, making many of us who drive in that area wondering WHY would someone choose to drive up there in February with no heat.

jwb wrote:

<quoted text> I don't smoke

Nor I, but I managed to inveigle a couple of dinner guests, over the holidays, to stand across the property-- one with a ciggy and the other with a flip-top color screen cell phone.

Curiously enough, that dinner invitation hasn't been reciprocated of late...

If Westmans saw Maura's "trouble lights" when they looked out their window, I think this would have been BEFORE any damage to the drivers side front end of Maura's car. The headlight damage looks to be too extensive and rotated for the "flashers" to work on that side.

So, from the Westmans view if they saw Maura's "trouble lights" on (after the damage), it would have looked like the passenger side turn signal or "blinker" was on, and not the trouble lights.

jwb wrote:

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John what time did lavoie arrive?

That is a good question. Nothing on the logs indicates the call for wrecker. Just the clearing the scene at @ 8:50.

The saturn was at the corner for 1 hr 20 min.

John

Frostman wrote:

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I would think that SBD, a former LE admin. employee in MA and most likely trained in First Aid would have recognized those symptoms and come back with a blanket or a mug of hot tea/soup if that was the case. Or... administered or offered a thermal blanket from a First Aid kit at the scene.

agree Frosty, even the fact he did say she was shivering. I am surprised he didn't come back with a blanket. Good point

looking4amoose wrote:

<quoted text>It was reported very early on (not verified by me by any means) that the heat didn't work in her vehicle, making many of us who drive in that area wondering WHY would someone choose to drive up there in February with no heat.

Thank you l4m I hadn't heard that before. If it was indeed the case then she was cold for quite some time. Any idea where that might have originated from?

Det Columbo wrote:

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That is a good question. Nothing on the logs indicates the call for wrecker. Just the clearing the scene at @ 8:50.
The saturn was at the corner for 1 hr 20 min.
John

Just wondering if Lavoie needed the car open to do something to the wheel in order to tow it? I don't know anything about towing a car with a locked steering wheel.

mcsmom wrote:

If Westmans saw Maura's "trouble lights" when they looked out their window, I think this would have been BEFORE any damage to the drivers side front end of Maura's car. The headlight damage looks to be too extensive and rotated for the "flashers" to work on that side.
So, from the Westmans view if they saw Maura's "trouble lights" on (after the damage), it would have looked like the passenger side turn signal or "blinker" was on, and not the trouble lights.

I think if you put on your 4-way flashers and only 3 are functional it might appear, from the window of a house through the thicket, that the trouble lights are all on and doing their job. Depends on how high the snowbanks were, I guess.

Unless you have reason to believe the damage to the Saturn occurred after the crash...?

jwb wrote:

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Just wondering if Lavoie needed the car open to do something to the wheel in order to tow it? I don't know anything about towing a car with a locked steering wheel.

He used a ramp/roll-off style truck. You can pull the vehicle on frontwards or backwards with the winch cable and it is secured with large hooks and the winch tension.

You do not need access to the inside of the vehicle although it is much easier when the wheels are straight.

John

Det Columbo wrote:

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He used a ramp/roll-off style truck. You can pull the vehicle on frontwards or backwards with the winch cable and it is secured with large hooks and the winch tension.
You do not need access to the inside of the vehicle although it is much easier when the wheels are straight.
John

Does it matter if the car is front or rear wheel drive?

would the car need to be in neutral?

hannah_b wrote:

Actually, excessive alcohol users and pregnant women are more at risk of shock.

Do you think she was preggers?

Bart S wrote:

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Do you think she was preggers?

Not sure. Based on the alleged internet searches she might have been or thought she was.

Frostman wrote:

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I think if you put on your 4-way flashers and only 3 are functional it might appear, from the window of a house through the thicket, that the trouble lights are all on and doing their job. Depends on how high the snowbanks were, I guess.
Unless you have reason to believe the damage to the Saturn occurred after the crash...?

I don't think they could see the back end of the car.

Does anyone think she was taking prescription meds or maybe was hanging around with druggies?

Mr. Renners blog says "This is the face of a woman who has gone through some kind of hell." What kind of hell? Did she ever go to rehab? Was she arrested for stealing credit cards at both schools or just one? Does anyone think she was on pain pills because of her running injury? Waht was the hole in her soul? Anyone know?