Maura Murray

Wow it's so interesting how theories come and go, get recycled and spun with a new twist, a new advocate with a new agenda. Over and over it goes.

Let me try to comment on one thing that seems to have sprung back up in the last few pages I have read. Neither Maura NOR Maauras car hit the pedestrian (Vasi). This didn't happen and it is not a factor at all.

Det Columbo wrote:

Looks like We traded in WTH, FrmLE, oo00oo and Snowy....
For an all new Bart S doll. You just tell it what to say and then pull its string.
John

Right, great point. I have never posted any information here, have no knowledge of the case and never offered any insight.

You're such a loser dude, really.

jwb wrote:

.If it is jurisdiction then call NHSP-he was in the area right?
Timeline

Another issue I continue to see being brought up is the 'jurisdiction' and whether State Police or HPD had the case.

Forget about jurusdiction, it doesn't exist for any practical purpose. State Police and local police all work together in the entire North NH area. It makes no difference where something happened, in that area every LE Officer takes whatever falls his way, even if it is in another town. It is caled Mutual Aid, it's how Law Enforcement works in NH.

Same thing with State Police they take (or avoid) whatever they want to.

Local, State, Sherrif's Office, Fish and Game, whatever. There is no jurisdicaiton issues at play here. Don't focus on that at all.

Bart S wrote:

Liars
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I smell a stinkin cover up.

Who?About what?You seem quite adamant.

FrmLE wrote:

Wow it's so interesting how theories come and go, get recycled and spun with a new twist, a new advocate with a new agenda. Over and over it goes.
Let me try to comment on one thing that seems to have sprung back up in the last few pages I have read. Neither Maura NOR Maauras car hit the pedestrian (Vasi). This didn't happen and it is not a factor at all.

FrmLE,
With all due respect, but how was it ever really possible to say with absolute certainty that Maura´s Saturn was not in any way - whoever the driver was - involved in the Vasi hit-and-run?
I still believe that this might have been the case, but again:

Whatever the reasons behind Maura fleeing Amherst, we still do not know what happened to her after the accident on Rte 112 in NH.
For everybody - with the possible exception of NH LE - there is just this big void after Maura´s NH accident.
For all our soon to be 17000 posts here and for all the digging activity of James Renner, we don´t seem to be any closer to having a shred of insight into the aftermath of the accident on Rte 112.

FrmLE wrote:

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Another issue I continue to see being brought up is the 'jurisdiction' and whether State Police or HPD had the case.
Forget about jurusdiction, it doesn't exist for any practical purpose. State Police and local police all work together in the entire North NH area. It makes no difference where something happened, in that area every LE Officer takes whatever falls his way, even if it is in another town. It is caled Mutual Aid, it's how Law Enforcement works in NH.
Same thing with State Police they take (or avoid) whatever they want to.
Local, State, Sherrif's Office, Fish and Game, whatever. There is no jurisdicaiton issues at play here. Don't focus on that at all.

thanks for your feedback tonight. Do you have any thought as to why everyone was searching to the west. Is it a red herring that the search that night only went as far east as BHR?

Hope you can help clear that up.

thanks

FrmLE wrote:

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Another issue I continue to see being brought up is the 'jurisdiction' and whether State Police or HPD had the case.
Forget about jurusdiction, it doesn't exist for any practical purpose. State Police and local police all work together in the entire North NH area. It makes no difference where something happened, in that area every LE Officer takes whatever falls his way, even if it is in another town. It is caled Mutual Aid, it's how Law Enforcement works in NH.
Same thing with State Police they take (or avoid) whatever they want to.
Local, State, Sherrif's Office, Fish and Game, whatever. There is no jurisdicaiton issues at play here. Don't focus on that at all.

I don't know if you are a Haverhill, NH voter...but, jurisdiction is one thing..and the towns political unrest...and throughout the last years of the changing of police personnel is something to be considered.

Very interesting that renner was able to obtain fred's statement to UMass LE. I'm not sure what to make of it but it definitely is interesting.
I notice a couple things that stick ou to me:
He says that he had $4000 in hand and they went out to a few different places. He says nothing about choosing ancar and coming back the next wk to get it. Def implies to me that he didn't find a car that day. This is contrary to his story in all subsequent interviews where he states they had chosen a car and he was coming back the following week so they could buy it. These 2 statements make no sense in relation to each other. If he had the 4 g's and they chose a car then why didnt he buy the car? Seems like 2 different stories to me.
His story is also somewhat different as to how he found out about her Hadley accident. In this statement he says she was sleeping in the bedwhen he woke up and she told him when she woke up. All the earlier storied he's told he said that he knew about it that night. That would make sense considering she came back and slept at his 1 bed motel rm, I'm sure he would've been woken when she came inside. He also mentions a quality inn on rt 9 which def isn't there now, does anyone if any of the hotels used to be a quality inn? I know there's one in noho but not on rt 9.
He also mentions her boyfriend, which is interesting because didn't Billy live in Ohio? Didn't she go out there to visit him! Did he ever live in western mass? Why would he b buying a car in noho if not? Am I missing something here or does it seem like Fred is referring to someone else?
Idk, this whole statement is weird. It would be fine if I haven't heard the different version if the stories over the years.
Then threading part at the bottom where it says Fred claimed to have forgotten if they went to the liquor store but then said he did remember going to liquor 44, he remembered wandering around the aisle while they took a long time picking out wine and he told them to just pick one out.
So he obviously remembered, why did he claim not to at first? Seems strange.
I don't see how anyone can say that Fred def isn't a suspect. LE has never said anything like that and until they do, u have to assume they think he's possibly responsible. Most cases they tell the public when a suspect is eliminated, even on this Case they told us billy was eliminated, and the sbd and CW, so why no Fred? I may b wrong about this and I hope I am, I really like to think he wasn't involved but there's some things learned in the past yr that goes against everything he's ever said and just makes me think maybe, just maybe that's the answer.

Also nobody can say it's a fact that Maura iulsnt have hit vasi bc she was working. Contrary to what's been reported as fact by family u can drive from where she was working and b back in under 5 mins, including walking time. U can park anywhere u want at nite on UMass campus she wouldn't have parked a 15min walk away, she wasn't parking they're overnight. Even a legal spot for her wouldn't have been a 5 min walk. At this point if it was her it would b impossible to prove anyways but it is technically possible. She was working doesn't mean it's impossible. I feel it would b far more likely it was someone else who actually was driving, he would b the person that called her from somewhere on campus after 1 am and told her something that left her in a nearly catatonic state.

The posting of Freds cell phone records are a long time coming.But why only 2 days worth?has anyone had time to form any thoughts on the call patterns?

Jenkins wrote:

they told us billy was eliminated, and the sbd and CW, so why no Fred?

Could you provide a link or cite where you read or heard anyone, including Billy sbd or CW was eliminated. I have never heard or read this in the media

I will try to find a direct link but look back at older media sources. They defintely mention Billy not being a suspect, after describing a rather long interview w him.
All 3 of those suspects have been known to be cleared if wrongdoing a long time ago.

Jenkins wrote:

His story is also somewhat different as to how he found out about her Hadley accident. In this statement he says she was sleeping in the bedwhen he woke up and she told him when she woke up. All the earlier storied he's told he said that he knew about it that night. That would make sense considering she came back and slept at his 1 bed motel rm, I'm sure he would've been woken when she came inside.

Then threading part at the bottom where it says Fred claimed to have forgotten if they went to the liquor store but then said he did remember going to liquor 44, he remembered wandering around the aisle while they took a long time picking out wine and he told them to just pick one out.
So he obviously remembered, why did he claim not to at first? Seems strange.

I don't see how anyone can say that Fred def isn't a suspect. LE has never said anything like that and until they do, u have to assume they think he's possibly responsible. Most cases they tell the public when a suspect is eliminated, even on this Case they told us billy was eliminated, and the sbd and CW, so why no Fred? I may b wrong about this and I hope I am, I really like to think he wasn't involved but there's some things learned in the past yr that goes against everything he's ever said and just makes me think maybe, just maybe that's the answer.

Also nobody can say it's a fact that Maura iulsnt have hit vasi bc she was working. Contrary to what's been reported as fact by family u can drive from where she was working and b back in under 5 mins, including walking time. U can park anywhere u want at nite on UMass campus she wouldn't have parked a 15min walk away, she wasn't parking they're overnight. Even a legal spot for her wouldn't have been a 5 min walk. At this point if it was her it would b impossible to prove anyways but it is technically possible. She was working doesn't mean it's impossible. I feel it would b far more likely it was someone else who actually was driving, he would b the person that called her from somewhere on campus after 1 am and told her something that left her in a nearly catatonic state.

LIES? All the stories Fred's handmaidens have told for 8 years to cover up what really happened in MA. I still have the same questions you have Jenkins.

Jenkins wrote:

I will try to find a direct link but look back at older media sources.

Thank you. Perhaps FMRLE could weigh in. I've followed many cases and the NH Attorney General's office says little to nothing about an ongoing case. In addition to which until they determine that there is a homicide how can they possibly clear anybody.

FrmLE wrote:

Wow it's so interesting how theories come and go, get recycled and spun with a new twist, a new advocate with a new agenda. Over and over it goes.
Let me try to comment on one thing that seems to have sprung back up in the last few pages I have read. Neither Maura NOR Maauras car hit the pedestrian (Vasi). This didn't happen and it is not a factor at all.

I thought you just said "I have never posted any information here, have no knowledge of the case and never offered any insight." but you say "Neither Maura NOR Maauras car hit the pedestrian (Vasi)?

Which is it? You don't have any knowledge of the case or you know everything?

The story still doesn't make any sense because I don't think Maura would have had a key to the motel room so of course he would have to let her in the room. I also don't think her Dad would be too happy about her wrecking his car.
Something happened to make her leave school. JMO I think her Dad might know.

Bart S wrote:

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I thought you just said "I have never posted any information here, have no knowledge of the case and never offered any insight." but you say "Neither Maura NOR Maauras car hit the pedestrian (Vasi)?
Which is it? You don't have any knowledge of the case or you know everything?

If Maura did hit Vasi and her father knew, why would he still cover it up?

I'd rather my child was prosecuted than missing.

Shack wrote:

<quoted text>I don't know if you are a Haverhill, NH voter...but, jurisdiction is one thing..and the towns political unrest...and throughout the last years of the changing of police personnel is something to be considered.

YOU may consider whatever you wish. I am simply saying for the purpose of Law Enforcement jurisdiction was not an issue for any practical purposes, so don't focus on that as far as any decisionthat was made.

It is not relevant to this case.

Jenkins wrote:

Very interesting that renner was able to obtain fred's statement to UMass LE. I'm not sure what to make of it but it definitely is interesting.
I notice a couple things that stick ou to me:
He says that he had $4000 in hand and they went out to a few different places. He says nothing about choosing ancar and coming back the next wk to get it. Def implies to me that he didn't find a car that day. This is contrary to his story in all subsequent interviews where he states they had chosen a car and he was coming back the following week so they could buy it. These 2 statements make no sense in relation to each other. If he had the 4 g's and they chose a car then why didnt he buy the car? Seems like 2 different stories to me.
His story is also somewhat different as to how he found out about her Hadley accident. In this statement he says she was sleeping in the bedwhen he woke up and she told him when she woke up. All the earlier storied he's told he said that he knew about it that night. That would make sense considering she came back and slept at his 1 bed motel rm, I'm sure he would've been woken when she came inside. He also mentions a quality inn on rt 9 which def isn't there now, does anyone if any of the hotels used to be a quality inn? I know there's one in noho but not on rt 9.

There was a Quality in there in 2004, I believe it changed names maybe a Comfort Inn now? At any rate the walls were so paper thin, you could here a pin drop in the next room.

Jenkins wrote:

I will try to find a direct link but look back at older media sources. They defintely mention Billy not being a suspect, after describing a rather long interview w him.
All 3 of those suspects have been known to be cleared if wrongdoing a long time ago.

I have nearly every media article ever written, most online stuff as well, although still looking for a Canadian "Cyber Law" claim that crimenews2000 was their online source of a missing Maura Murray on Tuesday Feb 10,2004.

I've never read about those cleared of wrongdoing.......

AcidHouseMartin wrote:

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If Maura did hit Vasi and her father knew, why would he still cover it up?
I'd rather my child was prosecuted than missing.

IF she hit Vasi and I say IF because I don't think she did. I could see a very large legal bill for him in the event it is a hit and run. In some states the owner of the car is liable for any damage. A hit and run could be millions just in damages.

If maura did hit Vasi which I don' think, the only way she would get caught would be through a confession which apparently isn't going to happen.