Maura Murray

AcidHouseMartin wrote:

<quoted text> I'm remain at a total loss as to why the family are certain she was abducted.

Because the New Hampshire Office of the Attorney General, Homicide Unit has been investigating this case since February, 2004.

Jenkins wrote:

Ok so if she left her phone at sara's, how was she able to call for a tow truck from the accident scene in Hadley? It's been said that she called aaa.
So thatmeans she had another cell phone right? Or most likely had another cell

Or perhaps the responding officer was kind enough to call a towing truck for Maura.

Frostman wrote:

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Because the New Hampshire Office of the Attorney General, Homicide Unit has been investigating this case since February, 2004.

There's a possibility she was abducted and, as such, one would expect an ongoing investigation. However, you appear to be suggesting the Homicide Unit is equally convinced she met with harm at the hands of an attacker.
If that's the case, are they avoiding double jeopardy with a definite suspect do you think?
If not, I can't see how other possibilities can be ruled out by anyone.

Why is LE so mysterious about the events of that evening in Feb.?
East is the way She was heading RIGHT.?

Jenkins, where did you read that she called AAA from the accident scene in Hadley? Just wondering. Maybe she didn't call, but someone else did? If she called Billy at 5:00 and her Dad's phone has a 5:00 a.m. phone call on it I would say that's her calling Billy. She probably had a second key that her Dad had given to her, When my Mom and I stayed places throughout the U.S. she always gave me the second key, they didn't have cards then like they do now. Very easy for her Dad not to have heard her come in, especially if he had a couple of beers, could have been a heavy sleeper to begin with. These are unknown things. Could also be why she slept so late, she comes in at 2, makes a call at 5, then wakes at 10:30? sounds about right.

Bart S wrote:

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Do you? Go ask her family what they think.

my answer is not set in concrete

Bart S wrote:

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No one ever said he ever gave her a second k ey. He didn't say she was sleeping on a roll out. I think the story has a lot of missing pieces that only her Dad knows about . JMO

Granted, nobody said he ever gave her a key. I'm going by how things go for me when I go camping or fishing and stay at a place. They ask how many will there be, any small kids, do you need a cot, how many keys. Even back in 04 however, they already had the cards to swipe your way in. I can only imagine how very quiet Maura would have to be to sneak into the room, grab his cellphone and maybe sneak back out into the lounge or something to call Billy at 4:30 am or so.

Laurieisgone wrote:

Jenkins, where did you read that she called AAA from the accident scene in Hadley? Just wondering. Maybe she didn't call, but someone else did? If she called Billy at 5:00 and her Dad's phone has a 5:00 a.m. phone call on it I would say that's her calling Billy. She probably had a second key that her Dad had given to her, When my Mom and I stayed places throughout the U.S. she always gave me the second key, they didn't have cards then like they do now. Very easy for her Dad not to have heard her come in, especially if he had a couple of beers, could have been a heavy sleeper to begin with. These are unknown things. Could also be why she slept so late, she comes in at 2, makes a call at 5, then wakes at 10:30? sounds about right.

Sure, right, not. No one stays with their opposite sex parent in a motel room at 2AM when your living on or off campus, or gives a second key to let herself in. NO! He let her use the car and crashed it. Who let her in the room? Lots of drinking going on there you think?

Bart, I disagree with you. You're making assumptions, and you don't know anything about her relationship with her Father. Why wouldn't she take a second key? I don't understand why that is so odd.

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Mason- 05-02-2009
A SIMPLE PRAYER
A Simple Prayer According to Google Maps, it's 231 miles from Bridgeport, CT to Haverhill, NH, a three-hour-and fifty-six minute drive. Let's call it four hours. On January 5, 2006, 23-months after Maura disappeared, Holly Angelo of masslive.com reported that Lieutenant John Scarinza said, "It is also crystal clear the family's initial impression was she was in distress and was maybe considering suicide." Therefore, despite Fred Murray's denial that he told the police he thought Maura might have driven to New Hampshire to commit suicide, Lieutenant Scarinza knew that wasn't true. What did Fred Murray think about during his solo four-hour drive to Haverhill? Put yourself in his situation for a moment. Would you try to call Maura? Would you take a 15-30 minute detour off I-91 to go to Kennedy Hall at UMass to see if your daughter was there? Would you call campus security and ask them to let you into her room? If you didn't have time to stop, would you ask campus security to check her room to see if she was there? Would you call her friends? Would you call Billy Rausch? We have no evidence that he did any of these things and I find that incomprehensible and extremely troubling. The police were still trying to identify the young woman the SBD saw behind the wheel of the Saturn. Kathleen had emailed them a photograph of Maura, but the SBD wasn't certain that the steak in the photograph was Maura. Fred Murray's conduct tells us he knew that young woman was Maura. How did he know that unless he picked her up on Route 112? He doesn't have an alibi. He had 36 hours to worry about the possibility that someone saw him pick-up Maura. That's a lot of time to strategize. I think he decided to press the suicide theory at first merely to test the waters while pretending to be distraught. If the cops brushed it aside and confronted him telling him that they had a witness who saw him pick-up Maura, he could admit it and claim that he drove a short distance before he realized she was intoxicated and pulled over and stopped. They argued about her drinking problem (which she denied) and her second accident within 48 hours. He told her enough was enough and ordered her to get out of the car and walk back to the accident to face the music and accept responsibility for her "problem." He watched her walk in that direction and then he drove away. He would have added that she was crying, drunk, and depressed and probably walked off into the woods after he drove away. Notice that this clever lie allows for the possibility of later claiming, after searchers failed to find her body in the area, that a "dirt-bag" must have intercepted her or offered a ride that she accepted to avoid arrest for DUI. When Fred Murray realized that no one saw him or the vehicle he was driving, he switched immediately to some dirt-bag got her and began insisting to all who would listen that his remarks were taken out of context. By rejecting suicide, wrapping himself in the cloak of the quintessential suffering distraught father, packaging Maura as the innocent All American steak Next Door With The Perfect Life And Everything To Live For, shamelessly promoting and selling this false image, insisting that everything in the past was irrelevant, planting smokescreens and red herrings aplenty to confuse everyone, and constantly berating the NH cops as incompetent, Fred

and that Bart.. Is a bunch of Hogwash. Complete with steaks.

Laurieisgone wrote:

and that Bart.. Is a bunch of Hogwash. Complete with steaks.

Would you like cilantro with that steak?

So Bart can cut and paste the maniacal, unsubstantiated ramblings of "Mason" from Advocate's previous forum? That's brilliant and much, much more than I initially gave him credit for. Do toss him a Star everyone for his ingenious effort.

Thank goodness Topix is coming out with a post by-pass option and a snooze button. It will be a bargain at any price.

I just want to commend all the posters here.

Some damn smart...
GOOD people on here...

Sure some appear to have some personality issues.

Im stuck myself in this one. It appears to me she left the scene with someone else.

Did that someone else do harm to her? Or help her begin a new life?

I dont know.

Jenkins wrote:

Ok so if she left her phone at sara's, how was she able to call for a tow truck from the accident scene in Hadley? It's been said that she called aaa.
So thatmeans she had another cell phone right? Or most likely had another cell

Police call for tow trucks

I don't think you can completely dismiss some apparent inconsistancies in the fathers story.

Its my belief the facts show -somebody- picked her up.

Can we dismiss the father picking her up? No, I dont think we can.

Fred made a cell call on Feb 9th 2004at 6:21pm. LE knows the origin. If it was in Ct it would be impossible for him to have picked her up. If maura tried to call her fatherto come get her it would be on record on either his cell/her cell or Freds home phone records.

Again,if le hadn't ruled out Fred, then you wouldn't be seeing his cell records made Public.

Det Columbo wrote:

Apparently jurisdiction was an issue that evening or LE would not have been arguing in someones backyard.
East of BHR is someone elses town, juris and nobody wanted to search east of the accident scene.
Why Oh Why I ask....Why.??
John

This is a perfect example of why I continue to say that you were NEVER a police officer in this state.

Let me say this, and you can ask any real cop you wish and I guarantee they will support this statement.

In Northern NH, thats not how it works. Every town has mutual aid to help all other towns, every cop spends 1/4 to 1/3 of his time in someones elses town helping out. State Police have complete jurisdication in the entire State, except Manch, Nash, maybe a few others down south.

State Police take whatever they want, but they rarely want cases that aren't major felonies. No one argues over jurisdiction, it is completely absurd, literally you couldn't be ridiculous. Arguing in someones backyard? Over Jurisdiction? Good lord thats absurd.

The only arguing I ever did in 22 years as a cop was trying to dodge cases when you had a ton of paperwork, trying to get State Police to help out and cover an acccident like this. Ridiculous.

So again, I know for a fact you were NEVER a cop. Period.

But please, don't take my word for it. Ask any other cop in Northern NH, who ever worked, ask them how it goes up here. Any other cop at all.

All you posters who give any credibility to columbo, heed my warning. He is a liar and a fake.

Did u really just refer to Maura as a "steak"
Wtf is that dude?
Who the hell calls girls steaks?

Besides for the fact that the story u just posted is obviously just total bullshit.
How could anyone logically think that's what happened?
Yea Fred was there, he picked Maura up, but then dropped her off up the road a piece so she would have to walk back to the scene and face the music? & then she got abducted?
How could anyone even waste their time writing that as a passable theory? & call Maura a steak, who speaks like that??
Weird

Frostman wrote:

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Because the New Hampshire Office of the Attorney General, Homicide Unit has been investigating this case since February, 2004.

CC has been investigating this case since 04 because there is no body and therefore hey must investigate it. Thats how it works, the fact that they continue to do so only means the body hasn't been found yet.

Thats all it means, nothing more. It's policy.