Maura Murray

Det Columbo wrote:

The world ends at the intersection of Rte. 112 and Bradley Hill Rd.
Maura must have crossed the invisible line and entered The "We don't Go There Zone."
It is just unexplainable WHY they would not check it out.
The car was from Massachusetts so LE has no way of knowing if the driver knows where they are and IF they are familiar with the area.
THEY SHOULD HAVE SEARCHED EAST OF THE ACCIDENT.
John

Why?

Wouldn't she have had to pass SBD to go east? Asking SBD did she pass this way, if his response was negative, why would they search east? Did one of the EMS or FD members come from that area? Was that area already cleared by someone coming from that direction?

What is even more amazing is after eight years, you haven't even been able to even figure this out. Just to busy to figure out how to get this question answered? REALLY?

Bill

Backspace- the false statement I'm referring to was that it was impossible for her to have hit vasi bc she was working.
Sorry, I guess my wording above was confusing..

But it was repeated and taken as fact that maira couldn't have hit him bc she was working.
They said for her to walk to her car was a 10min walk and them it was a 10 min drive, making it a potential 40m trip, and her supervisor did rounds every 30m and would've noticed her missing.
Well if she drove to work he car would have been right outside the building.
U can do the drive in about a minute and a half If I hit the green lights.
She could've left, hit vasi and been back in 5 minutes.
Not saying this happened or I have any proof saying so.
But it is technically possible.
I'm not saying I think Maura did this, what I'm saying is that is one, clear, proven lie that the family has said as fact.
I wonder how many other "facts" aren't true.
I wonder if the pi's job is to encourage these falsehoods to be taken as fact

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Why?
Wouldn't she have had to pass SBD to go east? Asking SBD did she pass this way, if his response was negative, why would they search east? Did one of the EMS or FD members come from that area? Was that area already cleared by someone coming from that direction?
What is even more amazing is after eight years, you haven't even been able to even figure this out. Just to busy to figure out how to get this question answered? REALLY?
Bill

I have a hard time believing that it is standard that Ems or Fd has the authority to clear a search area when they are flying to an accident. I find that pretty poor if that is what was relied on especially when you have a NHSP in the area. Why not use his services and go look east?

What about all the talk about maura ducking and trying not to be noticed because she had been drinking. Wouldn't it be prudent to search east and west thoroughly instead of a possible drive by.

just throwing it out there.....anyone think that Liko Kenny has/had any connection? I recall seeing his picture plastered over the one posted of Maura on the blue bow tree.

WTH r u actually trying to argue that they had no reason to search east? If the area was cleared by someone traveling in from that direction then fine, no need at all, but that wasn't the case.
Nobody searched east.
I thought that was at least one thing that everyone was in agreement on but I guess not.
If we r going by your reasoning here then she had to have been picked up by another car right? If she didn't go east, and we know this because the sbd didn't see her pass his house then she must've gone west. West was daily extensively searched including the back roads so that means she had to have been picked up right?
Isn't the whole theory that she succumbed to the elements based on the theory that she went east not realizing that there was 17miles of dressing Nh winter between her and n Woodstock? I don't c how anyone could think she went west and got lost in the woods.

Obviously they should've searched to the east. Would've been the easiest search bc theres only one road and really high snowbanks making it extremely difficult to enter the woods. All they would've had to do as drive 3 minutes to clear that direction. Why didn't they do it?
That's is a prefectly legitimat question. I think that no ones found a good answer bc there isn't one. It's lazy/shoddy police work at it's finest. Sounds like the search that night wasn't organized at all, seems like heading east maybe got forgotten. Bit most likely not done bc they figured nobody would b that stupid to walk east.
The sbd went into his house to call 911, he was backing up his bus. Him saying je didn't c her go that way is not close to a legit reason to not search that way.

It seems like she was picked up that night but not searching east was a huge mistake and borderline negligent(not that Maura wouldn't have been grossly negligent too if she did try walking east).

I'm sure if there was a good reason LE had for not searching east that night we would know or by noe, especially with all of Fred's crying about them not searching that direction.

I just don't c how anybody can actually try to argue that they didnt need to search east knowing what we know now.
U have absolutely not one shred of anything that says they had a legitimate reason to only search west.
Seems like an honest mistake to me, bot organized, didn't reall realize the mistake being made. Also prob didnt think anybody is that stupid to walk that way

Good point homer, even if the sbd said that he didn't c her, and en emergency worker came from that direction they still should've searched that direction.

That is unless the sbd told smith something else that he saw that we aren't aware of, like seeing her get in a vehicle or something, they should've seated east.

looking4amoose wrote:

just throwing it out there.....anyone think that Liko Kenny has/had any connection? I recall seeing his picture plastered over the one posted of Maura on the blue bow tree.

He has no connection but the cop that killed him is most definitely one o those rogue Leos that people sometimes refer to onthe blog, me included. This cop was a psycho at best and his best friend/neighbor, who was also involved in the killing of liko btw, liked to drive around the north country pretending to be a cop and sometimes harrassing people.
I still want to know where both of these guys were on the night of feb 9,2004...for real.
I think the cops name was McKay and his nutjob wannabe cop friend was name Floyd, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyone know if these guys have an alibi?
They seem like just the kind of guys that might fuck with Maura.
Also seem like just the kind of guys the sbd might be so afraid of that he wouldn't talk.
Also seems like just the kind of guys that Nh LE would do a cover up for, bot bc they like these guys, but bc their associated with LE. If someone in LE was involved they would cover that shit up at all costs.

very well stated Jenkins!! It is what I was trying to get across and you did it perfectly.

LE have spotlights on there vehicles and could have performed a far better search than a possible ems or fd coming to the scene.

FD and EMS came from their station on Rte. 10 in Woodsville. EMS had 2 on board and FD had 9 total. All FD rode on one truck per Brad kennedy.

No first responders came from the east to the accident scene.

John

Jenkins wrote:

WTH r u actually trying to argue...

I'm not arguing anything. I am telling you. If someone came from the west that would have been enough to clear that direction. If SBD didn't see Maura go by why with limited resources would you search east? Its common sense. Only people who think that resources are unlimited as well as time, think that every single spot will be checked. Don't forget. Maura ran from the scene. There is limited legal obligation to save her from herself. That scene was searched in a competent, reasonable manner.

The real world works this way. We search the LIKELY routes of egress with the resources available. We are under no obligation to search EVERY route of egress in circumstances such as these.

Bill

Det Columbo wrote:

FD and EMS came from their station on Rte. 10 in Woodsville. EMS had 2 on board and FD had 9 total. All FD rode on one truck per Brad kennedy.
No first responders came from the east to the accident scene.
John

FD had a meeting that night. I never heard that EMS was having a meeting or where they came from. I was also under the impression that they are NOT a combined service.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I'm not arguing anything. I am telling you. If someone came from the west that would have been enough to clear that direction. If SBD didn't see Maura go by why with limited resources would you search east? Its common sense. Only people who think that resources are unlimited as well as time, think that every single spot will be checked. Don't forget. Maura ran from the scene. There is limited legal obligation to save her from herself. That scene was searched in a competent, reasonable manner.
The real world works this way. We search the LIKELY routes of egress with the resources available. We are under no obligation to search EVERY route of egress in circumstances such as these.
Bill

running from the scene is a punishable offense especially if the
felt she had been drinking. The search is now a pursuit is it not?

There was aprrox. only a 10 min time frame from when she was last seen to when LE arrived. SBD went into the house did he not to tell his spouse to call 911. Maura might have walked right by as he was in the house.

jwb wrote:

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That is not a hasty search? Le said in his report that she was heading east. ok lets not search east the direction she was going.

No. Someone heading east into the mountains, would most likely, if car unexpectedly disabled, go find help or a phone. We still can´t be certain she really went east after the accident.

hannah_b wrote:

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No. Someone heading east into the mountains, would most likely, if car unexpectedly disabled, go find help or a phone. We still can´t be certain she really went east after the accident.

she didn't stop ant any of the houses near the scene that we know of. She didn't want help right?

Correct we don't know what direction she went hannah and that is why you search both ways unless you know otherwise.

There was a short period of time where Maura could have ran by Butch's house while He was inside and He never would have known.

She could have ran past Butch's house around the corner and into the darkness in just seconds.

They should have searched east.

John

Jwb wrote:

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Correct we don't know what direction she went hannah and that is why you search both ways unless you know otherwise.

Not really. The likelihood she went into the wilderness in the dark on foot was very slim. There was also reason to believe SBD would have seen her passing by.

First of all WTH, what u said was an argument. You are taking place in a discussion by being here, we aren't checking your twitter feed to see what u r telling us. So you have proposed an argument, that their search that night was adequate.

Second of all, there is absolutely nothing saying that anyone came from the east, actually all info we have is contrary to that. So why do u keep saying that as if it may b true. I think we can b sure that if someone came from that direction they would have offered that up for a reason that they didn't search east, and we wouldn't be discussing this now, because there would've been angood reason.
We have no reason to believe anyone came from the east.
Furthermore resources were not the issue that night, they had 2 separate vehicles search the same road.
So one of those vehicles could have easily went east for a few minutes, instead of up bhr like the other searcher did.
Somebody fucked up by not sending someone east.
If they had a good reason for not going east, such as a Leo coming from that directions I'm sure we would have heard if it by now.

In fact, we can be pretty confident that didn't happen. A few months after re accident LE said they believed the CW might've seen Maura that night. Meaning for all they knew she could've went that way, bc that way was never searched or cleared.

I don't see how anyone can possible argue that they shouldnt have gone east. If they had enough resources to check west, bhr, French pins rd, etc etc, and then stay at the scene for 2 hrs, they had more than enough resources to drve 3 minutes east.
Nit sure what your talking about when you mean "in the real world". If in this so called real world the cops have enough resources to drive down several bak roads in the area for 15-20 min, by they don't have enuf resources to drive on the main rd in both directions then I guess the "real world" is run by a bunch of idiots. Your acting like we r talking about sending out a search party or something, we r saying one of the several cars that searched west should've went east.
If there was enough resources for 3 cars to go west, including 2 going down the same rd, then there was enough resources for on 2 drive 3 mins east. Is this really how searches r run in the "real world" I sure hope not.

How could the sbd not seeing her pass him mean anything? He was in his house for a few minutes and backing up his bus, it's not like he didn't take his eyes off the road.

Your argument here holds absolutely no water, and yea u r making an argument, that's how a discussion works. If u want to just tell people things go make a twitter feed and see how many people want u to just tell them things

Det Columbo wrote:

They should have searched east.
John

Worse Monday morning quarterbacking ever.

You have no clue, after eight years, why the areas that were searched were searched. You actually say, that you don't know if they searched East. Yet you have the gall to claim they should have done something, when you don't even know what they did or why they did it.

Spectacular douche-baggary at its worst.

Bill

Lol, great post bill, for real.
I actually was laughing out loud.
I agree with that last post, if we don't even know where they searched how can we say anything about whether they should have or nor.

I thought LE admitted that they didn't search east that night, wasnt Fred crying about that for like 2 yrs? I thought that was established as fact.

I wish they would've just come out and said we didn't search east because we didn't think anyone would go that way, which would make sense and I think is the answer to this here.
Why would anyone head east After crashing there? U have 2 choices, east into the black of night in the woods, or west back towards town and all the houses. Anyone in their right mind would head east.
But they had reason to believe she wasn't in her right mind. She has just crashed and quite possibly sustained a head injury(crack in the windshield above drivers door) and she was likely intoxicated.
They should have sent one of the 3 cars they had searching the back roads east a few minute, would've take 6 minutes both ways. We arent talkin resources here, there was more than enough resources on scene that night and we aren't talking about calling out the national guard here

Wow, I gotta say, Very very good job changing the subject. Very effective too. I mean come on, r we really debating whether or not someone should have searched east? Really??

In the past day or 2 the conversation was actually getting good. We were discussing fred's inconsistent statement. The statement obtained by renner is like pretty important, IMO. It shows several definite lies/inconsistencies in fred's statements.
But then someone brings up this completely meaningless debate over whether or not they should've searched east.
Of course they should have, but they didn't. Discussion should be over there IMO.

Anyone else find any more definite lies that Fred has said? I'd bet anything the Saturn running so poorly was a lie too, but that can't really b proven without examining the car. But hey, troop f let's people on their property to vandalize maura's car so they shouldn't mind if Someone stops by and check the engine right? I mean, if they'll let someone damage the car why not let someone inspect it?

I'm going though that document. There's a couple other statements that r def different than subsequent statements which I think can b shown to b lies as well.
I will have at least one other statement proved to be false in the next day or 2.

& who the hell is the Bart s character? Is he really new or someone using a new moniker? Seems strange that he would b new and already so angry lol. I understand where he's getting some of this stuff to post but I don't understand how he's so pissed already.
Hey Bart- when u said in response to me "lies lies lies" were u saying I was lying or the Murray family was lying? Just wondering because I really couldnt understand what the hell u were talking about.
& whats up w u calling Maura a "steak"?? Do u actually talk like that? Is steak an actual term for young girls I've never heard of?
I gotta really good feeling that anybody who refers to pretty young girls as "steaks", isn't gonna get a pretty young girl for a gf...just a thought now..that sounds like the kind of thing the so called "dirtbag" that took maura would refer to a young girl as. Really really creepy IMO and I don't like it. If anyone called my girl a steak I would fucking punch him in the face right on the spot, it's just creepy.