Maura Murray

backspace4me,

I found this interesting idea;

Remote trunk release stopped working.
The remote trunk release (from the driver side floor) on my 2001 Saturn SL1 stopped working a few days ago. For a while, the trunk release from the key chain transmitter was iffy - it took a few button presses to open the trunk, and I think it completely stopped a few weeks ago. I can't get it to work at all now. Are these related? How can I fix the internal trunk release?

I wonder if Maura had a remote botton she used to get out once it was quiet.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text>ad. Why would she take a ride? No stranger is going to drive her across the state or act like a taxi at 7:00 PM. There would be no reason to get in the car with anyone, unless she knew them.

There it is.
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All of this still begs to know why she set out from UMASS in the first place. One precedes the other.

Re: "Remote Trunk Release?"
Unless they spring loaded the hatch, a remote release wouldn't do much good, as you'd still have to pull on the handle. The only thing it would help is the ability to open it from the inside, or give you a fail-safe in case the handle mechanism breaks.

The keyfob does not have a button to open the rear hatch. Well, other than the 'unlock' button.

Not clueless or crazy, it's on the web

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Yes I agree a very strong chance she knew the person if she left the scene by car.$ 280 wouldn't last the week unless there was someone else.

Yep. If we're going to speculate, I'm sticking with my theory that there was another boyfriend involved. Do you read Renner's blog? Mr. Murray's statement includes a line about going to a car dealer in Northampton "that her boyfriend had good luck with". Says to me a local bf was in the picture, perhaps not involved in her disappearance ... but it would make more sense than random stranger.
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2012/03/polic...

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, and the friend, who knew she was trying to help someone called police 3 hours after the friend wasn't back yet. She took off on her own and found the car running with the son in the back. Police took that seriosly and went looking for....... http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20...

appears that this girl was found right off route 91..the connecticut river valley..Again..

Just me--paris wrote:

The keys lay somewhere between what the W-Mans And the M-ettes saw that night..
It doesn't really matter who else showed up does it? The law knows who was and was not there, and by the witnessing of two key parties, watching from their windows.
One saw "Maura" at the car 1-2 minutes b4 police arrived.(even though this one also said she stopped looking when SBD pulled up), doesn't mean her husband stopped looking though.
The other key witness saw a flurry of activity at the trunk just b4 police. So the key witnesses SAW the "GIRL" right up til the end practically.
Citygirl recently stated that Maura was at the trunk and that this info came from The W-mans, the first callers to 911.
To me, Maura could have jumped inside her own trunk, unless she is related to Hudini....how could she dash off so quick? But if it's true that a red truck was just sitting there a wee bit up BHR, maybe it really was someone she knew.
Wowzer....would you be able to find out if there was a last drop off on BHR that night? Or at least on some nights, for the ski groups? found the info once upon a time and Mcsmom must have missed my question to her. Either way, that truck may have been picking up his kid? Maybe finding out if there's still a list of each drop off from that night, they can question that person?
UNLESS, this wasn't one of those nights, and the kids were all dropped off at one location? Like school?

Paris, sorry I missed your question, here is the 2008 bus schedule for that area:

Route 6 – Bath/Swiftwater
AM:
Route 112 7:30
Bradley Hill Road (turn around) 7:40 Weigh Station 7:43
Swiftwater Bridge 7:45
Cemetery Road 7:47
HCMS students Transfer to Route 15 7:48
Bath Fire Station 7:53
Brick Store 7:54
BVS 7:55
WES 8:03 WHS 8:07
PM:
HCMS 2:55 (P/U Route 4 HCMS students)
WES 3:05 (D/O Route 4 HCMS students)
WHS 3:15
BVS 3:25 Transfer Route 9 students Brick Store
Route 112
Swiftwater Bridge
Bradley Hill Road
Cemetery Road
Goose Lane
Swiftwater Road
Briar Hill Road
Tree Top Estates
Cottage Hospital
WES
End 4:05

Come on people, she did not jump in the trunk to hide! That is absolutely ridiculous.
I suppose it's theoretically possible but it's so unlikely that she would choose to do that.

Do u guys really think she even knew that se could open the trunk from the inside?

In addition to that Fred & Billy opened the trunk & saw her stuff, I think it would b pretty obvious if she had been hanging out in her trunk for a few hours.

Does anyone really think she might've done that?

It would have been really easy for her to vanish from the scene by either walking east or catching a ride right from the scene.

Bumping for Maura wrote:

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Citigirl,
This is getting really confusing....
Do you mean to say that the scene of Maura´s accident would have been visible if the SBD had been parking his bus alongside 112 with the front facing west (towards Maura´s accident site)?
Isn´t it correct, thought, that the SBD backed his bus into his yard with the front facing the 112/BRH intersection on the night of Feb 9th 2004?
If so, I believe he wouldn´t have been able to see Maura´s car because of a number of trees, but he likely would have noticed a car or truck coming down BHR towards the 112 intersection as he would probably have got such a vehicle´s head beams hitting his face if sitting in the bus facing the 112/BHR corner.
Am I right or wrong here....???

Both buses were always backed in every time I road by. Yes SBDs bus that was parked right off the road way on his property that was always parellel to 112 with the front of his bus facing 302. Yes the scene was visible from this location.

Still seems pretty obvious that she left the scene in a vehicle, and it would appear that it most likely was the red truck.
Remember that the red truck had mass plates.
I've seen speculation that it might've been temp plates from Nh but I seriously doubt that.
I personally emailed with RO bc I was driving straight thru that area often back then a couple times a week heading out burlington way.
I asked her details a couple times when I saw a truck that I thought might match the description. She never, ever mentioned anything about it possily being temp plates.
Temp plates r made out of paper, they're very easy to differentiate between a regular plate.

So we have a college girl from mass that goes missing in Nh, at the exact same time and place we have another car from mass placed right at the scene. This doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. That points to her most likely being picked up by that truck, most likely knowing the person.

I'm under the impression that most likely nobody in LE was directly involved. The several definite lies told by LE don't necessarily point to guilt.
I feel like they were trying to cover their asses.
I'm sorry but it makes the police dep't look bad when a young girl goes missing on their watch. They don't wanna b the ones responsible when they can't find her.
I feel like they knew she was abducted that night. The cheif was there as well as smith bc it looked like a crime scene.
Smith did not treat the scene like a defiled accident. He was on scene for over 2 hrs and only was lookin for her for about 15min. So that means that he spent probably over an hour interviewing possible witnesses as to what they saw. This is most likely how they got the info
About the red truck that nitr.
They were very interested in red trucks that night but none of the ones they pulled over panned out.
I think by the next morning when she wasn't located and they had no idea who was driving the red truck they decided to say that they thought it was a 60yr old man who slid off the road and went snowmobiling. They decided to lie bc they didn't want to admit that there was a murderer in the loose that they can't catch, plain and simple. Nobody wants to be the guy that can't catch a killer unless they absolutely have to.

One thing is clear, their actions that night r not consistent to what they say they thought that night.
It is NOT normal for a cop to stay at an accident scene for over 2 hrs if he thinks its simply a car that slid off the road around a corner, which happens every day in the north country

Just me--paris wrote:

The keys lay somewhere between what the W-Mans And the M-ettes saw that night..
It doesn't really matter who else showed up does it? The law knows who was and was not there, and by the witnessing of two key parties, watching from their windows.
One saw "Maura" at the car 1-2 minutes b4 police arrived.(even though this one also said she stopped looking when SBD pulled up), doesn't mean her husband stopped looking though.
The other key witness saw a flurry of activity at the trunk just b4 police. So the key witnesses SAW the "GIRL" right up til the end practically.
Citygirl recently stated that Maura was at the trunk and that this info came from The W-mans, the first callers to 911.
To me, Maura could have jumped inside her own trunk, unless she is related to Hudini....how could she dash off so quick? But if it's true that a red truck was just sitting there a wee bit up BHR, maybe it really was someone she knew.
Wowzer....would you be able to find out if there was a last drop off on BHR that night? Or at least on some nights, for the ski groups? found the info once upon a time and Mcsmom must have missed my question to her. Either way, that truck may have been picking up his kid? Maybe finding out if there's still a list of each drop off from that night, they can question that person?
UNLESS, this wasn't one of those nights, and the kids were all dropped off at one location? Like school?

I have never stated that Maura was at the trunk. Only stated that there was activity seen at the trunk and that it was to dark to say whether or not it was a male or female according to what the neighbor within eyesight of the scene said.I have never personally talked to the Westmans.

Jenkins wrote:

Still seems pretty obvious that she left the scene in a vehicle, and it would appear that it most likely was the red truck.
Remember that the red truck had mass plates.
I've seen speculation that it might've been temp plates from Nh but I seriously doubt that.
I personally emailed with RO bc I was driving straight thru that area often back then a couple times a week heading out burlington way.
I asked her details a couple times when I saw a truck that I thought might match the description. She never, ever mentioned anything about it possily being temp plates.
Temp plates r made out of paper, they're very easy to differentiate between a regular plate.
So we have a college girl from mass that goes missing in Nh, at the exact same time and place we have another car from mass placed right at the scene. This doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. That points to her most likely being picked up by that truck, most likely knowing the person.
I'm under the impression that most likely nobody in LE was directly involved. The several definite lies told by LE don't necessarily point to guilt.
I feel like they were trying to cover their asses.
I'm sorry but it makes the police dep't look bad when a young girl goes missing on their watch. They don't wanna b the ones responsible when they can't find her.
I feel like they knew she was abducted that night. The cheif was there as well as smith bc it looked like a crime scene.
Smith did not treat the scene like a defiled accident. He was on scene for over 2 hrs and only was lookin for her for about 15min. So that means that he spent probably over an hour interviewing possible witnesses as to what they saw. This is most likely how they got the info
About the red truck that nitr.
They were very interested in red trucks that night but none of the ones they pulled over panned out.
I think by the next morning when she wasn't located and they had no idea who was driving the red truck they decided to say that they thought it was a 60yr old man who slid off the road and went snowmobiling. They decided to lie bc they didn't want to admit that there was a murderer in the loose that they can't catch, plain and simple. Nobody wants to be the guy that can't catch a killer unless they absolutely have to.
One thing is clear, their actions that night r not consistent to what they say they thought that night.
It is NOT normal for a cop to stay at an accident scene for over 2 hrs if he thinks its simply a car that slid off the road around a corner, which happens every day in the north country

Jenkins,

If it is obvious that he left in another vehicle with someone she knew than what is needed to be covered up? How did LE make a mistake? Is it LE's job to scan each and every car any citizen enters? Why would they have to make up a story.

I think if maura did enter another vehicle this should show us how hard LE has still continued to work the case, rather than take the easy way out by stating "she left in another vehicle"

Disppeared You tube Maura Murray you tube 3/5. Watch the first two minutes.

About 30 seconds in:

Fred Murray: "As my position of father you would think something would be said, but I have no hint. "

One Minute in:

Fred Murray:" I wasn't aware of any school problems she was on the Dean's list. In a very difficult program. "

One minute 30 seconds:

Lt Scarinza: "I think everyone thought she was doing well at school but there were some issues that I think were causing her great stress in her private life."

We know that something has come out about her private life. Maybe Fred new about this or not. I'm not saying he did anything wrong, But we don't know how far or what personal issues she was having. In most episodes if the person committed a crime they usually make that known, so maybe Lt. Scarinza wasn't even hinting at the credit card problems. He makes mention it was causing her GREAT stress. So somebody had to make mention to him that something was stressing her out.

Jenkins wrote:

Still seems pretty obvious that she left the scene in a vehicle, and it would appear that it most likely was the red truck.
Remember that the red truck had mass plates.
I've seen speculation that it might've been temp plates from Nh but I seriously doubt that.
I personally emailed with RO bc I was driving straight thru that area often back then a couple times a week heading out burlington way.
I asked her details a couple times when I saw a truck that I thought might match the description. She never, ever mentioned anything about it possily being temp plates.
Temp plates r made out of paper, they're very easy to differentiate between a regular plate.
So we have a college girl from mass that goes missing in Nh, at the exact same time and place we have another car from mass placed right at the scene. This doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. That points to her most likely being picked up by that truck, most likely knowing the person.
I'm under the impression that most likely nobody in LE was directly involved. The several definite lies told by LE don't necessarily point to guilt.
I feel like they were trying to cover their asses.
I'm sorry but it makes the police dep't look bad when a young girl goes missing on their watch. They don't wanna b the ones responsible when they can't find her.
I feel like they knew she was abducted that night. The cheif was there as well as smith bc it looked like a crime scene.
Smith did not treat the scene like a defiled accident. He was on scene for over 2 hrs and only was lookin for her for about 15min. So that means that he spent probably over an hour interviewing possible witnesses as to what they saw. This is most likely how they got the info
About the red truck that nitr.
They were very interested in red trucks that night but none of the ones they pulled over panned out.
I think by the next morning when she wasn't located and they had no idea who was driving the red truck they decided to say that they thought it was a 60yr old man who slid off the road and went snowmobiling. They decided to lie bc they didn't want to admit that there was a murderer in the loose that they can't catch, plain and simple. Nobody wants to be the guy that can't catch a killer unless they absolutely have to.
One thing is clear, their actions that night r not consistent to what they say they thought that night.
It is NOT normal for a cop to stay at an accident scene for over 2 hrs if he thinks its simply a car that slid off the road around a corner, which happens every day in the north country

I agree she was picked up, and the red truck with MA plates being at the scene was no coincidence. It´s pretty obvious LE had witness info she entered a red truck, why else would they be checking out red trucks that night. Question is, what made LE stay at the accident scene that long. Same reason EMT said something about the scene was "odd"? Makes me think of Aftermath´s insistance there was evidence at the scene that was missed by LE.

Good point lighthouse, I think I should clarify what I said a little bit.

First of all I'm not saying it's a gian coverup, quite the contrary. I think it's a small, few person police department that r in a small town that don't want to look bad.
I'm sorry but it looks really bad if she got abducted at 7, the cops were on the scene and could tell something happened by 7:05, knew about the red truck and everything, but couldn't find her.
Something happened between that night when they were pulling over trucks and when the family arrived and they decided to tell the family that they thought it was Fred who was driving.
I think what happened was they realize they had absolutely no idea who was in the red truck and that they probably would never know. You don't think the chief of police is worried about the department looking bad? In Nh? Where most towns don't even have their own police dep't, or it consists of 1 cop. Nobody wants to be that idiot cop who can't catch the one real criminal in the area, even when he was on the scene within minutes of the abduction.
Why else would they lie to the family when they arrived? Why else say in the accident report that she spun out around the corner when the other witnesses have her shearing the snowbank on the inside of the corner and mr w-man stating that it's not how accidents normally occur on that turn. So why does that accident report make it out like it's a simple car that spun out, like has probably happened a hundred times on that corner?

What else explains these lies except to cover their ass and say that they didn't know anything that night. I really think they just didn't wanna look bad, like idiot cops who cant solve shit.

Although that is in contrast to the nhsp's handling of the case. It seems like theyve taken this case pretty seriously since early on, contrary to what Fred and a lot of posters back on mm lead me to believe. Fred made it out like they did nothing and if they won't release the files to him, she'll never get found.
I think the SP have done as good a job as they could considering the circumstances.
I wonder what the Haverhill chief told the SP? Bet that was interesting. They should make things like this available to the public. This is a free and open society and these cops are entrusted with protecting our families and our children. I think citizens have a right to know exactly what these guys r doing to protect the public. I would say that after a certain amount of time police records r released, or at least if there's ever the slightest hint of impropriety or corruption the records get released. Never gonna happen but it should, the public has a right to know who is protecting them

Maybe they didnt miss the evidence at the scene.
Maybe that's one of the reasons they were on scene so long, they had to b doing something they weren't interviewing people the whole time. They also weren't filling out the accident report bc they did that several days later.

I wonder if the wine stains in the car could've been interpreted as a sign of a struggle. There was wine in the ceiling, doors and seats. If it spilled during the accident then theoretically it should've splashed in one direction, not 2 or 3. We know for a fact the box of wine didnt exude bc it was sitting on the back seat and there is no report of the whole entire back seat being completely soaked with over a gallon of wine.
So it had to have come from the Cole bottlle that smelled like alcohol that was near the pink stain in the snow. I think she was drinking wine mixed with vodka, which was said to b her favorite drink. That'll make a nice pink stain and smell wicked alcoholic.
The car was also a mess.
Is it possible it looked like there was some sort of fight in the car when they showed up?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I have never stated that Maura was at the trunk. Only stated that there was activity seen at the trunk and that it was to dark to say whether or not it was a male or female according to what the neighbor within eyesight of the scene said.I have never personally talked to the Westmans.

You said Maura was seen at the trunk about 20 pages back, and alluded to that she was seen there 1-2 minutes before police came. I've been going with that. Irregardless of how you learned it, that's how it came out. I'm going to bed.

Anyone read the story of Melissa Jenkins body being found in Barnet, VT about 17.3 miles from the MM crash site. Im not saying there connected though but who knows.

whiston wrote:

Where did Maura Murray vanish to.

Who cares?

Jenkins wrote:

I wonder if the wine stains in the car could've been interpreted as a sign of a struggle. There was wine in the ceiling, doors and seats. If it spilled during the accident then theoretically it should've splashed in one direction, not 2 or 3..... So it had to have come from the Cole bottlle that smelled like alcohol that was near the pink stain in the snow. I think she was drinking wine mixed with vodka, which was said to b her favorite drink. That'll make a nice pink stain and smell wicked alcoholic. Is it possible it looked like there was some sort of fight in the car...

I agree. How does a non-fizzy beverage (of any kind) in a narrow necked container or box with a small nozzle end up all over the place unless it was in a wide-mouthed vessel at the time of impact? Was used as a shield against an attack, OR did someone deliberately slosh it all over the car after the crash and leave on the backseat in full view?

RO does not strike me as a person who would make statements unless she was absolutely certain about what she witnessed. If the Red Truck had MA plates (which I believe is the case) it doesn't mean that Maura knew that person. If the driver was known to Maura (or even in a clandestine relationship) why wouldn't he have asked RO if she had seen his friend in a black Saturn with MA plates? He didn't; instead, by her account, he lurked and waited.

When you're out of state you immediately notice someone who has the same licence plates as you. The Red Truck and driver/passenger(s) must have noticed Maura (pretty, possibly vulnerable, not local) when she gassed up and decided to follow her. Possibly they even told her to take Route #112 NOT #302 to her destination and then went ahead to wait for her to pass by.

Maybe she had a fender bender at a gas station or elsewhere and Red Truck and company wanted to make her pay for any damages so he/they followed her? In the earlier pictures of the damaged Saturn it does look as if the front bumper, hood and driver's side front fender came in contact with a solid object and there was some residue transfer (whitish) that wouldn't have come from a snowbank.

Frostman wrote:

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I agree. How does a non-fizzy beverage (of any kind) in a narrow necked container or box with a small nozzle end up all over the place unless it was in a wide-mouthed vessel at the time of impact? Was used as a shield against an attack, OR did someone deliberately slosh it all over the car after the crash and leave on the backseat in full view?
RO does not strike me as a person who would make statements unless she was absolutely certain about what she witnessed. If the Red Truck had MA plates (which I believe is the case) it doesn't mean that Maura knew that person. If the driver was known to Maura (or even in a clandestine relationship) why wouldn't he have asked RO if she had seen his friend in a black Saturn with MA plates? He didn't; instead, by her account, he lurked and waited.
When you're out of state you immediately notice someone who has the same licence plates as you. The Red Truck and driver/passenger(s) must have noticed Maura (pretty, possibly vulnerable, not local) when she gassed up and decided to follow her. Possibly they even told her to take Route #112 NOT #302 to her destination and then went ahead to wait for her to pass by.
Maybe she had a fender bender at a gas station or elsewhere and Red Truck and company wanted to make her pay for any damages so he/they followed her? In the earlier pictures of the damaged Saturn it does look as if the front bumper, hood and driver's side front fender came in contact with a solid object and there was some residue transfer (whitish) that wouldn't have come from a snowbank.

My guess is that no one had the benefit of viewing a still photo to determine "pretty". A lurker; a perp; a victim...so reads the script. It's odd that foul play is usually obvious, except in the case of MM. Oh, wait! Someone had a 5 minute struggle over a coke bottle! Yes! That's it!!!
The book has been written and rewritten...better get it off to the publisher before that 'ole meanie, JR, beats y'all to it.