Maura Murray

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Snowy wrote:

<quoted text>My guess is that no one had the benefit of viewing a still photo to determine "pretty". A lurker; a perp; a victim...so reads the script. It's odd that foul play is usually obvious, except in the case of MM. Oh, wait! Someone had a 5 minute struggle over a coke bottle! Yes! That's it!!!The book has been written and rewritten...better get it off to the publisher before that 'ole meanie, JR, beats y'all to it.

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Jwb wrote:

"7:46 PM First known officer arrives at scene (we have been contacted by some who passed the scene and saw a vehicle believed to be police vehicle with a number on it. These persons believe it was earlier than the arrival of Officer Smith and have stated that it was a different type of vehicle than the one known to have been driven by Officer Smith)– Fire Unit, EMS and State Trooper Monahan were also at scene."

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Frostman wrote:

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Any thoughts on where the white-ish transfer on the Saturn might have come from?

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Frostman wrote:

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Any thoughts on where the white-ish transfer on the Saturn might have come from?

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Jenkins wrote:

Come on people, she did not jump in the trunk to hide! That is absolutely ridiculous.
I suppose it's theoretically possible but it's so unlikely that she would choose to do that.
Do u guys really think she even knew that se could open the trunk from the inside?
In addition to that Fred & Billy opened the trunk & saw her stuff, I think it would b pretty obvious if she had been hanging out in her trunk for a few hours.
Does anyone really think she might've done that?
It would have been really easy for her to vanish from the scene by either walking east or catching a ride right from the scene.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text>How about the broken windshield. If her head hit the windshield I think she would have some major trama. How could the windshield break if the airbag went off. The airbag would stop the head from hitting the windshield. Maybe a tree or something broke the windshield. Or maybe the windshield was broken before the crash and she couldn't see well while driving.

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Any thoughts on where the white-ish transfer on the Saturn might have come from?

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Jenkins wrote:

Still seems pretty obvious that she left the scene in a vehicle, and it would appear that it most likely was the red truck.
Remember that the red truck had mass plates.
I've seen speculation that it might've been temp plates from Nh but I seriously doubt that.
I personally emailed with RO bc I was driving straight thru that area often back then a couple times a week heading out burlington way.
I asked her details a couple times when I saw a truck that I thought might match the description. She never, ever mentioned anything about it possily being temp plates.
Temp plates r made out of paper, they're very easy to differentiate between a regular plate.
So we have a college girl from mass that goes missing in Nh, at the exact same time and place we have another car from mass placed right at the scene. This doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. That points to her most likely being picked up by that truck, most likely knowing the person.
I'm under the impression that most likely nobody in LE was directly involved. The several definite lies told by LE don't necessarily point to guilt.
I feel like they were trying to cover their asses.
I'm sorry but it makes the police dep't look bad when a young girl goes missing on their watch. They don't wanna b the ones responsible when they can't find her.
I feel like they knew she was abducted that night. The cheif was there as well as smith bc it looked like a crime scene.
Smith did not treat the scene like a defiled accident. He was on scene for over 2 hrs and only was lookin for her for about 15min. So that means that he spent probably over an hour interviewing possible witnesses as to what they saw. This is most likely how they got the info
About the red truck that nitr.
They were very interested in red trucks that night but none of the ones they pulled over panned out.
I think by the next morning when she wasn't located and they had no idea who was driving the red truck they decided to say that they thought it was a 60yr old man who slid off the road and went snowmobiling. They decided to lie bc they didn't want to admit that there was a murderer in the loose that they can't catch, plain and simple. Nobody wants to be the guy that can't catch a killer unless they absolutely have to.
One thing is clear, their actions that night r not consistent to what they say they thought that night.
It is NOT normal for a cop to stay at an accident scene for over 2 hrs if he thinks its simply a car that slid off the road around a corner, which happens every day in the north country

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Jenkins wrote:

Still seems pretty obvious that she left the scene in a vehicle, and it would appear that it most likely was the red truck.
Remember that the red truck had mass plates.
I've seen speculation that it might've been temp plates from Nh but I seriously doubt that.
I personally emailed with RO bc I was driving straight thru that area often back then a couple times a week heading out burlington way.
I asked her details a couple times when I saw a truck that I thought might match the description. She never, ever mentioned anything about it possily being temp plates.
Temp plates r made out of paper, they're very easy to differentiate between a regular plate.
So we have a college girl from mass that goes missing in Nh, at the exact same time and place we have another car from mass placed right at the scene. This doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. That points to her most likely being picked up by that truck, most likely knowing the person.
I'm under the impression that most likely nobody in LE was directly involved. The several definite lies told by LE don't necessarily point to guilt.
I feel like they were trying to cover their asses.
I'm sorry but it makes the police dep't look bad when a young girl goes missing on their watch. They don't wanna b the ones responsible when they can't find her.
I feel like they knew she was abducted that night. The cheif was there as well as smith bc it looked like a crime scene.
Smith did not treat the scene like a defiled accident. He was on scene for over 2 hrs and only was lookin for her for about 15min. So that means that he spent probably over an hour interviewing possible witnesses as to what they saw. This is most likely how they got the info
About the red truck that nitr.
They were very interested in red trucks that night but none of the ones they pulled over panned out.

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Jwb wrote:

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It is hard to tell if it is a transfer or if is a scraping of the plastic.Interesting observation frosty.

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>I can't resist. It came from a marked, white police vehicle, lol. And you can bet your sweet bippy the police would have gotten rid of that if they were in any way, size, shape or form invoved. Or hey, maybe Smith slid into her car.
Just joking, bring on the nutts.

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Frostman wrote:

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Many contributors here agree that the airbag deployment could easily have cracked the windshield and given the discussion and examples provided in the past, I tend to go along with that. Here's an experiment on a similar vehicle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Speaking of airbags... does anybody know how long they might have taken to DEFLATE?

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amy researches wrote:

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I agree with a lot of what you have said, Jenkins. She was clearly killed, or at least LE seems to think so. Anyone who can read the court documents and other docs (Renner has posted many) and not come away with that is choosing to remain ignorant IMHO. I think either LE knows but doesn't have the evidence to convict, or they're covering themselves from a "hindsight is 20/20" lawsuit. The latter would explain declining the FBI's help. And yes, LE did make a lot of sloppy mistakes. I've read the documents. These are mistakes they would not have made if they were covering for one of their own murdering someone, IMHO. However, that doesn't mean that they don't know more than they're letting on.
The red truck doesn't necessarily have to be someone she knew, but I think the odds are that it was. What are the odds it wasn't? Are a lot of Mass trucks sitting around waiting for someone in that area? Honest question, I don't know as I've never been there. RO's story sounds credible to me, so I believe her.
Maura was heading up there for some purpose that we are not privy to. This wasn't a random person going on vacation. This was someone who got an upsetting call at work, who was going through personal problems, who had just crashed her dad's car and was upset, who was running from something or running to someone IMO. I tend to think she was running to someone, and that is where something went wrong.

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Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>I can't resist. It came from a marked, white police vehicle, lol. And you can bet your sweet bippy the police would have gotten rid of that if they were in any way, size, shape or form invoved. Or hey, maybe Smith slid into her car.
Just joking, bring on the nutts.

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Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>I don't know that I agree that MM was killed. She had been stewing for a long time. Things were building up in her world, she was going through too many changes, IMHO, and while I don't know what she did with herself, I still don't have anything that says to me she was killed. She's still classified as endangered, missing.

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amy researches wrote:

<quoted text>I know nothing about cars, but I looked it up:
"The inflation of the airbag coincides with the forward movement of the driver or passenger, so by the time a person contacts the airbag, deflation has begun." http://www.enotes.com/airbag-residues-referen... Sounds like it would happen quickly.

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Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>I don't know that I agree that MM was killed. She had been stewing for a long time. Things were building up in her world, she was going through too many changes, IMHO, and while I don't know what she did with herself, I still don't have anything that says to me she was killed. She's still classified as endangered, missing.