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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text>Wicked attraction on id has a lot of male female abductors. I think if Maura was drinking the wine it would be in the front seat and when the airbag went off it knocked the box of wine in the back and it went all over.

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The only thing I can suggest is that you contact Mr. Renner to see how much red staining he observed on the inside of the Saturn and then conduct an experiment with water in a Coke bottle and water in a box of wine and see how much gets splish-splashed around when you simulate an accident. Let us know & take pictures please.
I don't believe if you'd been drinking that you'd leave the car with a box of wine in plain view on the backseat. You'd put it in the trunk, especially if a passer-by had told you he was going to call the police. Maura wasn't charged with DUI in the Hadley crash, so I doubt she was drinking (much) on that night.

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The reason that everyone remembers the red truck is because it is the most visible. If there are sixteen people in a room, and one of them is wearing a bright orange shirt, who are you going to remember? There were more vehicles that went through that area in that time-frame. The red truck is the first grade game of “which of these doesn’t fit”. You seem to ascribe more weight to it simply because people remembered it. It was the tank, the pink RV, the orange shirt in the room, that went through the area. There is no direct evidence that Maura was picked at all. We assume that, maybe improperly, because of the actions of the dogs mostly. You still have a total misunderstanding of how FLIR works and assume that the helicopter search could not have missed a clue. A helicopter is one of the weakest ways of spotting a clue. It covers huge areas, very rapidly with small amount of human resources, but, with a very low POD (probability of detection) in most types of terrain in that type of area. So, you have a good chance that she is out in the woods, and there is also the chance that any of the passing vehicles picked her up.
To prove this point. Anyone remember the Beltway snipers? Anyone remember how it was a “white van” they were looking for? How that screwed up the investigation because they were looking for the wrong vehicle? But those white delivery vans where everywhere, very visible, not like the real vehicle. A beat up piece of crap Chevy Caprice that just blended in. So drive around in a red truck, or just meander around in the background with a run of the mill car to kidnap people. What would you use?
I'm not disregarding the red truck. I just don't put the weight on it that many other seem to ascribe it. In my opinion it has less weight than the other vehicles that went through the area that no one remembers any details on. And again, she could be in the woods.
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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text> Frostman if you took a shot to the head the way an airbag would give you, your not going to be thinking clearly. You kind of just go through the motions. The box of wine was probably not even noticed by her. Actually if she was found a live I bet she would tell you she doesn't remember what happened after the crash.

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Frostman wrote:

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If she was in shock or in a such a bad way why did SBD (who worked for a police department in MA and must have had first aid training) just go back to his house and sit around? Why didn't he get his wife to take the girl a blanket and some tea? Something is not adding up here.
Airbags aren't going to go off if you just crunch into a snowbank. Are they?
No wonder Healy is suspicious about the happenings at Weathered Barn corner.

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RYO wrote:

<quoted text>What about the truck mentioned with a Delaware license plate?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Frostman if you took a shot to the head the way an airbag would give you, your not going to be thinking clearly. You kind of just go through the motions. The box of wine was probably not even noticed by her. Actually if she was found a live I bet she would tell you she doesn't remember what happened after the crash.

Frostman wrote:

<quoted text> If she was in shock or in a such a bad way why did SBD (who worked for a police department in MA and must have had first aid training) just go back to his house and sit around?

Frostman wrote:

<quoted text>Airbags aren't going to go off if you just crunch into a snowbank. Are they?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I have seen many people whacked by an airbag. It is violent, and it would get their attention in most instances except for the fact that they just had a collision. The collision and airbag happen simultaneously with the person usually fixating on the collision, which they see coming. They don't see or expect the airbag in many cases until after. With the exception of the ones that have a broken nose or detached retina, they sometimes have complaints of burns on the arms. Usually the most common injury is chest pain from the seat belt. Again, this also depends on how violent the collision was. Maura's, based upon mechanism does not appear to have been that violent as collisions go. A low speed slide off of the road to a pretty gentle landing with no intrusion into the passenger compartment or a large amount of deformation to the front of the vehicle all points to NOT a tremendous amount of energy transfer to the people inside the vehicle. I'm not saying it wouldn't get someones attention but, there are many more violent ways to come to a stop in a car. Some wine in the glass/bottle sloshed around on the inside. The wine box likely didn't even come off of the rear seat, which is likely where it started from.
She likely suffered no substantial injuries to her. Her head did not contact the windshield in my opinion. That crack in the windshield is not characteristic of a head strike, it more characteristic of airbag deployment. She might have some soreness the next day. Depending on how she was dressed, possibly some burns to the inside of her arms. Maybe, possibly, a lite bruise across her chest from the seat-belt, from her left shoulder to the right side, though that could easily be missing in this crash. And a black eye(s) depending on how close she sat to the airbag. No blood inside (that we have seen or know of) also indicates that no broken nose or head strike. Both have a tendency to bleed very heavily. That is probably about all she suffered. Rarely, have I come across someone who has had their "bell" rung from an airbag. And those I have, clear very rapidly unless there is an underlying medical issue. They often also complain about the smoke in the cabin. The "smoke" is actually corn starch used to help "lubricate" the airbag to allow it to deploy easier and keep it from sticking to itself after many years compressed in the storage area.
Bill

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Thank you for this info. Very helpful.

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Det Columbo wrote:

The Red Truck is a very, very important part of this mystery and should not be tossed out.
John

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jwb wrote:

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(Caps intended?) Are we to follow the red truck with a cap on it or are we to follow the red truck with our PI caps on?

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What would be the benefit of staging a crash? I can't see that to risky and why would you need to? If Maura was going to go missing you wouldn't need to stage a crash to do that.

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Snowy wrote:

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It was a Weeper notion from the original days. Whichever idea was formulated then is still unquestionably carried forward today.

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AcidHouseMartin wrote:

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But why??? No one's trying to 'toss it out' as far as I'm aware. Merely to see some evidence as to its significance other than it (maybe) was there.
If you know it's significant then you must know how. What's the point in not sharing?

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AcidHouseMartin wrote:

<quoted text>No one's trying to 'toss it out' as far as I'm aware. Merely to see some evidence as to its significance other than it (maybe) was there.
If you know it's significant then you must know how. What's the point in not sharing?

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amy researches wrote:

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Is that the guy who thought they got a Maura-look-alike to stand at the accident scene for when the bus driver went by, or am I thinking of someone else? I could look it up but am very busy eating a Pop-Tart right now.