Maura Murray

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text> ... What about the people who witnessed the accident. They never saw a red truck stop near the car they never saw anyone get inducted or enter a car.

Nobody has come forward who witnessed the accident, so far as we know. The witnesses we know about, only saw the aftermath of the accident. So a red truck (or any other vehicle, of course)*might* have been involved in some way, and we do know a red truck was in the near vicinity.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

...We are giving RO power of her testimony to reshape the whole case when it might not be anything at all.

No. At least, I'm not. The red truck is simply a known fact of that night in the near vicinity to MM's accident and disappearance, and the behavior of the red truck/occupants drew attention to it. That proves nothing with regard to MM's case, but the proximity and behavior elevate the potential that it had something to do with MM's case.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

...I fear the RO red truck sighting may be the equivalent to the Patterson gimlin film that gave birth to the Bigfoot phenomenon.
I'm not belittling anyone who wants to believe it I just ask that you look into how much weight can be assigned to it, because we know nothing else. All we can do now is create stories to place the red truck into her disappearance theories.

Well, I think it's a bit more than the Patterson film which was a total hoax. Unless you are saying that RO lied.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What about the people who witnessed the accident. They never saw a red truck stop near the car they never saw anyone get inducted or enter a car. We are giving RO power of her testimony to reshape the whole case when it might not be anything at all.
I fear the RO red truck sighting may be the equivalent to the Patterson gimlin film that gave birth to the Bigfoot phenomenon.
I'm not belittling anyone who wants to believe it I just ask that you look into how much weight can be assigned to it, because we know nothing else. All we can do now is create stories to place the red truck into her disappearance theories.

The people that 'witnessed' the acccident didn't see much at all, they heard a thump, they saw someone in the car with what could have been a cigarette, a cellphone, although most say that there is no signal there so no cellphone, but something with a red light. SBD saw Maura, but then after he went back to the bus said he could not see her car from where he was, anything could have happened at that point, then there's the Westmans orange or something, someone was eating an orange, went to look again, saw a flurry of activity, what I'm trying to say is that no witness really saw anything, could have been a red truck come by, but who knows.

I'd like to know who was at the New Year's Eve party at Goshen in Sullivan County! Someone on the guest list driving a red truck? maybe?

Thanks, Bill -- I understand what you're saying.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Why stop to see if he owned a red truck. I would check into him regardless of what kind of car he owned.

I agree with you - Just wondering if he drove a red truck in 2004 that the witness claimed she saw the night Maura went missing . Ms Jenkins stated to a friend that Allen Prue,who used to plow for her , showed up at her house drunk , and had asked her out a couple of times and that he made her feel uncomfortable .

This same guy owned a towing /plowing co , was Allen driving around in that area that night looking for the opportunity .This crazy didn't get weird overnight , he thought about it .

Det Columbo wrote:

OK, time to get outta the big city of Manchester, back to the land north of Franconia Notch.
Goshen is in Sullivan County.
John

Coincidentally the same county from where Renner made a request for records in Maura´s case. Someone from the Goshen party ended up at the correctional facility, for whatever reason?

Det Columbo wrote:

FrmLE....
I am still waiting to see some real answers from You. Did You get lost in the internet since Your last post.?
Big case solved by NHSP Mr. FrmLE.
Give it up.
I mean...."How much wood could a woodChuck Chuck....IF a woodChuck could Chuck woood.?"
John

Wow, you and your new BFF Jerkins seem awful concerned about my response. I see you have gotten a little overboard, wood chuck? WTF are you drunk or something?

Let me help you out, and your little cop hating blow buddy. At no point will I ever respond to your questions or play patty cake with you behind the playground. I will leave that to you two pals.

Neither of you deserve my time or consideration, you are both fakes, retards, and frankly, you are simply ridiculous.

SO keep asking, it will not happen. And Jerkins, dude you need to hang it up here. The amount of time and effort you put posting absurd nonsense to me is wasted, as soon as I see your name I simply scroll down and ignore whatever looongggg time consuming nonsense you wrote.

Stop wasting your time, you genuinely look like a complete idiot with what you post. There are adults here, and it's pretty easy to tell you are just an ignorant punk.

Also, stop typing in txt, makes u lok lk a litle beeyatch wit ur nose so far up columbos azz, simmah dwn beeyatchh.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What about the people who witnessed the accident. They never saw a red truck stop near the car they never saw anyone get inducted or enter a car. We are giving RO power of her testimony to reshape the whole case when it might not be anything at all.
I fear the RO red truck sighting may be the equivalent to the Patterson gimlin film that gave birth to the Bigfoot phenomenon.
I'm not belittling anyone who wants to believe it I just ask that you look into how much weight can be assigned to it, because we know nothing else. All we can do now is create stories to place the red truck into her disappearance theories.

Realistically, there are too many gaps in information to piece together a solid timeline and theory without fact-based evidence. While one small piece of it may be verified, the rest is colored in....hence a daily pounding of clay or dirt. But folks like to keep it going.

Laurieisgone wrote:

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I'd like to know who was at the New Year's Eve party at Goshen in Sullivan County! Someone on the guest list driving a red truck? maybe?

Good luck getting an answer to that. I've asked and asked. And asked.

:-)

If the rest truck was just another car passing by w mass plates then I would be willing to write it off as a coincidence but the fact is that the driver was loOking for someone specific, in the exact same area as maura's crash, at the right time.

This is so much more than just a truck that passed by, especially when u
Consider tha another witness saw a red truck parked on bhr that they thought was unusual enough to report to LE that night.

There is no direct evidence that definitely implicates this truck but that's is a pretty string cicumstantial case.
In addition to that, if u pay attention to te timeline, the truck would've arrived on scene right at that moment when nobody was looking. The sbd would've been at home right then backin up his bus or trying to call 911. The wmans said they stopped watching when the sbd arrived.

At the very least the driver of this truck could b a witness to what happened.

For the right weirdo this could have been a once in a lifetime opportunity.

To say that this truck is only being talked about bc it was noticed, and it was only noticed bc it was red is to not look at the witness' report. U either have to write off RO as a liar, or completely ignor parts if her story.

When I emailed w RO she didn't really tell me anything more than what she posted. I was more asking her details about the truck bc there was a couple times I though I might've found a truck that fit the bill, but none of them actually did when checking with her. I wish I could access my pm's from the old mm site bc I don't remember any details about the pm's we exchanged. Just that I asked about a couple trucks and they weren't it. One thing I do remember though is asking her really detailed q's at first to try to catch her up in a lie and I never could. When i first heard the story I was skeptical but the more I and everyone spoke w her the more credible it appeared
RO was an extremely reliable witness.
Does anyone know what happened to her?

It was so weird, one day she claimed she found a truck that was identical. I dint think she thought it was the truck but one that looked the same. She said she was going to take a pic of it so she could post it online so everyone could c what it looks like.
Well those were her last posts.
One day she said she's going to take a pic of te red truck and then she never posted again.
I dont think anything bad happened to her but that's weird. Did someone tell her not to post pix of the truck? Did her computer just break and she couldn't afford a new one? I wonder what happened to her

findtheanswers wrote:

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Of Course !! Only Snowy has the answers , isn't that right, Snowy ? Why then haven't you solved these cases yet?

It's not my job; the answers are unattainable with scant, unverified info; stupid is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result; I don't engage in stupid; I am reality-based.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Why stop to see if he owned a red truck. I would check into him regardless of what kind of car he owned.

I know someone that had a red truck and they sold it very fast.

Does anyone here personally know RO?
A good bit of advice is never to put all your eggs in one basket.If the basket has a week handle you will lose all your eggs.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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What about the people who witnessed the accident. They never saw a red truck stop near the car they never saw anyone get inducted or enter a car. We are giving RO power of her testimony to reshape the whole case when it might not be anything at all.
I fear the RO red truck sighting may be the equivalent to the Patterson gimlin film that gave birth to the Bigfoot phenomenon.
I'm not belittling anyone who wants to believe it I just ask that you look into how much weight can be assigned to it, because we know nothing else. All we can do now is create stories to place the red truck into her disappearance theories.

I've been watching this for awhile and you seem to be one of only a few with an open mind and common sense. They should listen to a few of you much more closely imo.

Jenkins wrote:

If the rest truck was just another car passing by w mass plates then I would be willing to write it off as a coincidence but the fact is that the driver was loOking for someone specific, in the exact same area as maura's crash, at the right time.
This is so much more than just a truck that passed by, especially when u
Consider tha another witness saw a red truck parked on bhr that they thought was unusual enough to report to LE that night.
There is no direct evidence that definitely implicates this truck but that's is a pretty string cicumstantial case.
In addition to that, if u pay attention to te timeline, the truck would've arrived on scene right at that moment when nobody was looking. The sbd would've been at home right then backin up his bus or trying to call 911. The wmans said they stopped watching when the sbd arrived.
At the very least the driver of this truck could b a witness to what happened.
For the right weirdo this could have been a once in a lifetime opportunity.
To say that this truck is only being talked about bc it was noticed, and it was only noticed bc it was red is to not look at the witness' report. U either have to write off RO as a liar, or completely ignor parts if her story.
When I emailed w RO she didn't really tell me anything more than what she posted. I was more asking her details about the truck bc there was a couple times I though I might've found a truck that fit the bill, but none of them actually did when checking with her. I wish I could access my pm's from the old mm site bc I don't remember any details about the pm's we exchanged. Just that I asked about a couple trucks and they weren't it. One thing I do remember though is asking her really detailed q's at first to try to catch her up in a lie and I never could. When i first heard the story I was skeptical but the more I and everyone spoke w her the more credible it appeared
RO was an extremely reliable witness.
Does anyone know what happened to her?
It was so weird, one day she claimed she found a truck that was identical. I dint think she thought it was the truck but one that looked the same. She said she was going to take a pic of it so she could post it online so everyone could c what it looks like.
Well those were her last posts.
One day she said she's going to take a pic of te red truck and then she never posted again.
I dont think anything bad happened to her but that's weird. Did someone tell her not to post pix of the truck? Did her computer just break and she couldn't afford a new one? I wonder what happened to her

You should wright a thriller book and put a link to it. It would save lots of Topix space.

Jenkins wrote:

If the rest truck was just another car passing by w mass plates then I would be willing to write it off as a coincidence but the fact is that the driver was loOking for someone specific, in the exact same area as maura's crash, at the right time.
This is so much more than just a truck that passed by, especially when u
Consider tha another witness saw a red truck parked on bhr that they thought was unusual enough to report to LE that night.

And this is what I think gets misinterpreted. Just because someone saw the red truck, because it stood out, TO THEM. RO's interpretation can be honest, but not accurate. And just like any good police agency, they were forced to investigate it. This is a form of self fulfilling prophecy. Some are using the fact that the police investigated the "red truck" as proof that it has something to do with Maura's disappearance when in fact, the only reason that the red truck was looked at was because someone reported it to police because for them, it stood out, with nothing more to show it has any involvement, at all. Just place and time. Useful to initially include people but not proof of anything.

It's called a "lead" in police parlance. Doesn't mean that she didn't run off into the woods. Doesn't mean that the new love of her life driving around in a nondescript Ford POS didn't pick her up and whisk her away to a new life. It is just that no one noticed the Ford so the police don't know about it and they never investigated it and you have never heard of it either.

Personally, given the level of investigation of the "red truck" I would think the police would be talking a lot more about it, if they thought that lead would go somewhere. Their total lack of interest in that conveyance at this point, makes me believe that they figured out who it might have been and no longer consider it important - maybe. They don't tell me in on what they are thinking.

Bill

Oops. Should have said, they don't tell me what they are thinking.

vocallocal wrote:

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I've been watching this for awhile and you seem to be one of only a few with an open mind and common sense. They should listen to a few of you much more closely imo.

Thank you very much. I can understand how emotions can run high after being on this site for so long.

George wrote:

<quoted text>I know someone that had a red truck and they sold it very fast.

Not to create another conflict but 7 oclock on a feb night it's dark and even under a fluorescent light red might not even be red. That's if you can even get a view of the car under a street lamp.

Snowy wrote:

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It's not my job; the answers are unattainable with scant, unverified info; stupid is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result; I don't engage in stupid; I am reality-based.

Any information , any witness that saw or said anything about that night should be looked into or spoken to over and over again until it all makes sense . The night Maura disappeared , someone heard or saw something ,and May be too frightened to say, but that young woman did not just vaporize .

I don't think it is "stupid" to believe in the "reality-based" fact that Maura is gone , Brianna is gone ,and no-one knows nothing .RIGHT?
Why would the witness make up the story about a red truck ? She Hasn't changed her story , that is a" reality base" fact isn't it ?Or is she lying ? If things like this are said about the credibility of a possible witness , then why would anyone else want to come forward for fear of the same .

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Well at this point John. We have evidence in the form of a police report that has tracks heading into and reflected from a set of trees and evidence on the vehicle of a collision with a vertical device, like a tree causing the damage consistent with that.
You only say this didn't happen. Unless you can prove to me otherwise, I don't know why you waste our time with your speculation that contradicts the official police report as well as logic and common sense.
And I CAN cause hood damage exactly like that with models of the hood with a vertical linear object like a tree. The lower damage would also be consistent with damage caused by a tree.
Bill

Not a chance. It did not happen.

John