Maura Murray

FrmLE wrote:

Checked in tonight after some travel for work. Looks very interesting here, lol, a brand new bunch of 'experts'who spout all new theories based on old theories by the old bunch of 'experts'.
Very interesting, I see this all being figured out real soon!!
good luck to all the pretend interweb detectives, keep up the good work.

What do you think happend to her? why do you have to add comments to belittle people that are trying to figure out what happend to someone. Are you not the focus tonight? Come on tell us Why you need to belittle people that are trying to put facts and questions together and theories. It's that what this Forum for? Maybe you need to start your own.

WTH-the-original wrote:

What do I know? Good question. I do know, that area is the only reasonable way to get from VT and NY to the Lincoln area or farther east. So many people, we call them "skiers". They use that road continually to cross back an forth. So it isn't locals or people that live in the area who use that road mostly in the winter.
There are lots of really stupid "theories" being passed around by people who clearly know nothing about the area, it's people or the commonly known things about the area but claim to know. Like the rate of water in the Wild Ammo during winter. Everyone knows that the rivers in all those areas including the Wild Ammo runs hard in the spring from the snowmelt. Not during February when virtually everything is locked solid in ice. But that doesn't stop people from spouting off with absurd "observations".
I know lots more but its not worth trying to share some of it with the people here.
Bill

I am laughing that they are picking on you, since you look like the only smart one on Franconia Topix. I was reading for an update on the missing girl, but there is not an update only cartoons and fake detectives. Now it is like a reality show, mindnumbingly insane but I cannot look away. Are these people for real, or is there a reward to find this girl, or what is this about? If you live near these nuts I hope you have a loaded gun and a rabid dog.

jwb wrote:

Jenkins - someone is being covered for locally- obvious isn't it? Just look at he feedack and coming out out of the woodwork like you say and those that hang and give no feedback but just bash when you mention Local or LE.

It is starting to look more and more organized. I mean every single time the conversation heads toward those topix someone comes in and starts with personal attacks, or just plain wrong facts.

I'm starting to see their methods & they r rather effective. Spout out falsehoods in order to get us bogged down in details. Like the whole thing about the river, they spout out incorrect things in order to get people talking about things that aren't really important.

I fall for it all the time but I'm really gonna try not to anymore, the only thing we can do is ignore these idiots. Sometimes it's really hard, like when they're comparing the red truck to Bigfoot. lol it's like come on, now we r putting a truck that was witnessed by 2 independent witnesses acting very strange at the exact right time in the same category as a mythological creature that might not even exist?? What a joke, at least it's becoming more and more obvious that these guys have lost all credibility by making statements like that.

De se wrote:

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I am laughing that they are picking on you, since you look like the only smart one on Franconia Topix. I was reading for an update on the missing girl, but there is not an update only cartoons and fake detectives. Now it is like a reality show, mindnumbingly insane but I cannot look away. Are these people for real, or is there a reward to find this girl, or what is this about? If you live near these nuts I hope you have a loaded gun and a rabid dog.

Gun yes, rabid dog no but I do have a dog that's meaner than a grizzly when she needs to be.
Scary isn't it to think these people are actually walking free among us.
I gave up looking for any updates. I just come here now once in awhile for entertainment purposes only when I have nothing better to do.
Anyone that shows a lick of common sense soon gets chased away but Bill has stood strong against the backlash.

Jenkins wrote:

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It is starting to look more and more organized. I mean every single time the conversation heads toward those topix someone comes in and starts with personal attacks, or just plain wrong facts.
I'm starting to see their methods & they r rather effective. Spout out falsehoods in order to get us bogged down in details. Like the whole thing about the river, they spout out incorrect things in order to get people talking about things that aren't really important.
I fall for it all the time but I'm really gonna try not to anymore, the only thing we can do is ignore these idiots. Sometimes it's really hard, like when they're comparing the red truck to Bigfoot. lol it's like come on, now we r putting a truck that was witnessed by 2 independent witnesses acting very strange at the exact right time in the same category as a mythological creature that might not even exist?? What a joke, at least it's becoming more and more obvious that these guys have lost all credibility by making statements like that.

I think they know things..I think they never want the truth to be found.They think they will outwit everyone..I wish the FBI would come in...

findmaura wrote:

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I think they know things..I think they never want the truth to be found.They think they will outwit everyone..I wish the FBI would come in...

Cmon. Another laughable comment. So bring in the FBI because? Is there some evidence that NHSP hasn't been able to figure out? Or does the FBI have a magic wand that can make Maura or evidence appear?

What purpose does the FBI serve for you. Other than, for whatever reason, making you feel better? NHSP now has a cold case squad. Do you think if it was needed they wouldn't call in the FBI?

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Cmon. Another laughable comment. So bring in the FBI because? Is there some evidence that NHSP hasn't been able to figure out? Or does the FBI have a magic wand that can make Maura or evidence appear?
What purpose does the FBI serve for you. Other than, for whatever reason, making you feel better? NHSP now has a cold case squad. Do you think if it was needed they wouldn't call in the FBI?
Bill

The FBI might just be interested in the butchered Logs for that night..LE certainly would not call in the FBI...Its all politics,literally.

Jenkins wrote:

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It is starting to look more and more organized.

Of course it looks organized. That is how logical thought appears to people who aren't using logic.

"Why look Ollie, it appears they are stringing thoughts together in a logical fashion and it appears to make sense." "I don't know Jasper, it looks like it might be organized."

Bill

I am glad to see you back again Wowzer.

I agree that they know things, the question is: to what extent do they know it?

These people know an abduction/murder took place, they just have to. I mean the state police know it, the states attorney knows it & so does every PI who's ever worked this case, but for some reason there's these posters that don't? I don't believe it, they know a murder took place they just don't want to admit it.

I'm under the impression that very few people actually know the details of what happened to her exactly, I don't think it's a widespread conspiracy.

But it's obvious that local LE knew this from day one and have wanted to sweep it under the rug. They have an agenda to not admit what happened here. The night of the accident smith was onthe scene for almost 2 hrs. This is NOT normal for a 1 car accident that slid off the road. He knew a girl was missing & he knew she most likely had been abducted, why do u think he never searched east? He knew she didn't go that way. The perp took her either up bhr or to the west, both directions lead west, not east.

Sometime between the time smith was on scene for 2 hrs and them pullin over red trucks that night somebody decided it would look much better if they just denied knowledge of it that night. This has to be why smith chose to lie to the family when try arrived, telling them he thought it was fred driving the car.
So that's one definite, 100% no doubt about it documented lie told by the cops, right from the start..u gotta ask why?
These cops either don't wanna be the guys who can't catch a murderer, or they r responsible.
I'm leaving towards them being embarrassed. Think about it: they have a dying tourism industry in that immediate area but more importantly their tax base is relying on people from mass, Ct & ri buying second homes there & paying property taxes. Remember that Nh has no sales tax so they live off property taxes up there. Like was said above mt lakes is 50% summer homes. If a beautiful young girl was abducted and killed up there, & the cops can't find the person that means there's a killer on the loose, possibly targeting out of state people intentionally. Not a very good thing to read about a town that your thinking of buying a summer house in, right? If they don't pretend it didnt happen who's gonna wanna buy a summer house where there's a known murderer on the loose? How about if u have 2 highschool age daughters? In reality the area is no more or less safe then anywhere else just bc this happened, but to the general public this just does not look good. It's already not a popular place to have a summer home(compared to like Lincoln or north Conway) or for tourism, everybody considers that area a lot more "backwoods", white trashy kind of area, whether that's accurate or not is debatable but this is what people think of the area. The last thing they need is for people from mass to think that girls get abducted there. The public can b a bunch of idiots sometimes and one abduction people can think it's like deliverance or something. When I was in college in Plymouth 5 yrs before this took place everyone said that girls shouldn't drive those back roads by themselves; "you'll get yourself killed" was the reason as I recall. I can't count the # of times I heard that up there. So people already have this idea in the back of their heads, admit a girl actually got taken and killed & your confirming everyone's fears.

Bottom line is The cops will NEVER admit that she was abducted unless they have a suspect in cuffs.
That's not gonna b good for tourism or home prices in the area & the cops often fall victim to the first budget cuts.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Gun yes, rabid dog no but I do have a dog that's meaner than a grizzly when she needs to be.
Scary isn't it to think these people are actually walking free among us.
I gave up looking for any updates. I just come here now once in awhile for entertainment purposes only when I have nothing better to do.
Anyone that shows a lick of common sense soon gets chased away but Bill has stood strong against the backlash.

It is entertaining but scary. Is this true that searchers come right in your yards and don't ask first? I'll pray for you and your dog.

backspace4me wrote:

I am glad to see you back again Wowzer.

Thank you. I pop in here once in awhile just to see if anything's changed but it's always the same old crap.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Thank you. I pop in here once in awhile just to see if anything's changed but it's always the same old crap.

Glad to see you also wowzer. As you can see, the same foolishness, just different names being used. Not to worry though. They have the red truck and the culprits in their sights. Soon to be cuffed and thrown in the hoosegow.

Bill

De se wrote:

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It is entertaining but scary. Is this true that searchers come right in your yards and don't ask first? I'll pray for you and your dog.

Lol, r u fkn serious?? Really?? Someone walked through someone's yard without asking first? Wow, Your gonna pray for her and her dog? Why because someone walked through her yard? R u joking here?

The thing I always loved about Nh is how nice all the people r, people in Nh r good neighbors still, unlike a lot of other places.

If someone loses their dog, nobody goes and asks permission to walk through a yard to go looking for their dog.
Nobody would ever complain that someone walked through their yard looking for a dog.
But not for a human? R u guys seriously complaining that someone walked through someone yard?
I understand that it's probably been a few times and several different people but shouldn't a family looking for their daughter get a little more leeway than someone looking for a lost dog?

As for the dog that went through the glass door: that's just bad dog training plain and simple. The dog has no idea if it's a neighbor walking through the yard looking for a dog, or a searcher looking for Maura.
So that means that this dog is so crazy that it goes through glass doors when someone walks through their yard? Sounds like one of the worst trained dogs I've ever heard of. Seriously, what kind of dog goes through a door bc someone walked through their yard?
If anything u should b praying that this dog gets trained before a neighborhood kid walks through the yard and gets killed by this insane dog.

Seriously, since when r people in Nh worried about someone cutting through their yard?? I've NEVER heard of that except in this case..the question is: why??
Would these same people b angry if a neighbor walked thru their yard looking for a dog? I don't think so, so what's the problem.

De se wrote:

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It is entertaining but scary. Is this true that searchers come right in your yards and don't ask first? I'll pray for you and your dog.

Yes that did happen in the past but to be fair I haven't heard of anyone trespassing thru the yards for quite some time. Some of the searchers did ask permission while others didn't bother.

Jenkins wrote:

I agree that they know things, the question is: to what extent do they know it?
These people know an abduction/murder took place, they just have to. I mean the state police know it, the states attorney knows it & so does every PI who's ever worked this case, but for some reason there's these posters that don't? I don't believe it, they know a murder took place they just don't want to admit it.
I'm under the impression that very few people actually know the details of what happened to her exactly, I don't think it's a widespread conspiracy.
But it's obvious that local LE knew this from day one and have wanted to sweep it under the rug. They have an agenda to not admit what happened here. The night of the accident smith was onthe scene for almost 2 hrs. This is NOT normal for a 1 car accident that slid off the road. He knew a girl was missing & he knew she most likely had been abducted, why do u think he never searched east? He knew she didn't go that way. The perp took her either up bhr or to the west, both directions lead west, not east.
Sometime between the time smith was on scene for 2 hrs and them pullin over red trucks that night somebody decided it would look much better if they just denied knowledge of it that night. This has to be why smith chose to lie to the family when try arrived, telling them he thought it was fred driving the car.
So that's one definite, 100% no doubt about it documented lie told by the cops, right from the start..u gotta ask why?
These cops either don't wanna be the guys who can't catch a murderer, or they r responsible.
I'm leaving towards them being embarrassed. Think about it: they have a dying tourism industry in that immediate area but more importantly their tax base is relying on people from mass, Ct & ri buying second homes there & paying property taxes. Remember that Nh has no sales tax so they live off property taxes up there. Like was said above mt lakes is 50% summer homes. If a beautiful young girl was abducted and killed up there, & the cops can't find the person that means there's a killer on the loose, possibly targeting out of state people intentionally. Not a very good thing to read about a town that your thinking of buying a summer house in, right? If they don't pretend it didnt happen who's gonna wanna buy a summer house where there's a known murderer on the loose? How about if u have 2 highschool age daughters? In reality the area is no more or less safe then anywhere else just bc this happened, but to the general public this just does not look good. It's already not a popular place to have a summer home(compared to like Lincoln or north Conway) or for tourism, everybody considers that area a lot more "backwoods", white trashy kind of area, whether that's accurate or not is debatable but this is what people think of the area. The last thing they need is for people from mass to think that girls get abducted there. The public can b a bunch of idiots sometimes and one abduction people can think it's like deliverance or something. When I was in college in Plymouth 5 yrs before this took place everyone said that girls shouldn't drive those back roads by themselves; "you'll get yourself killed" was the reason as I recall. I can't count the # of times I heard that up there. So people already have this idea in the back of their heads, admit a girl actually got taken and killed & your confirming everyone's fears.
Bottom line is The cops will NEVER admit that she was abducted unless they have a suspect in cuffs.
That's not gonna b good for tourism or home prices in the area & the cops often fall victim to the first budget cuts.

IMHO it goes much deeper than just tourism...keep in mind LE car #1 nose to nose with Mauras car,no mention of that car responding in the logs..why?..

Jenkins wrote:

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The dog has no idea if it's a neighbor walking through the yard looking for a dog, or a searcher looking for Maura.

OR somebody going to the door to ask permission to search the yard!!!!

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Of course it looks organized. That is how logical thought appears to people who aren't using logic.
"Why look Ollie, it appears they are stringing thoughts together in a logical fashion and it appears to make sense." "I don't know Jasper, it looks like it might be organized."
Bill

This right here is 100% pure, unadulterated
Bullshit, on so many levels. I see no logical thought strung together by the posters I'm referring to, I see personal attacks and people squeezing facts to fit the preconceived notion that she was a stupid drunk college girl that got lost in the woods.
I would love to see logic, someone who actually puts forth facts of why certain theories r wrong. I would love help eliminating theories. Instead I
Get personal attacks & bullshit.

You don't actually believe the crap u write, do u?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Glad to see you also wowzer. As you can see, the same foolishness, just different names being used. Not to worry though. They have the red truck and the culprits in their sights. Soon to be cuffed and thrown in the hoosegow.
Bill

Thanks Bill. I wish they would hurry up and cuff the "perp" so this circus can end.
I see we've lost a few other good posters, Snowy and Amy, Lighthouse, OOOooOOO and I know I'm missing another. I hope they too will return.

I think theres people that know&are afraid...afraid of the "politics" and afraid of losing their jobs...