|
“"Dancing with wolves"”
Since: Oct 10
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
Jenkins wrote: <quoted text>
Lol, r u fkn serious?? Really?? Someone walked through someone's yard without asking first? Wow, Your gonna pray for her and her dog? Why because someone walked through her yard? R u joking here?
The thing I always loved about Nh is how nice all the people r, people in Nh r good neighbors still, unlike a lot of other places.
If someone loses their dog, nobody goes and asks permission to walk through a yard to go looking for their dog.
Nobody would ever complain that someone walked through their yard looking for a dog.
But not for a human? R u guys seriously complaining that someone walked through someone yard?
I understand that it's probably been a few times and several different people but shouldn't a family looking for their daughter get a little more leeway than someone looking for a lost dog?
As for the dog that went through the glass door: that's just bad dog training plain and simple. The dog has no idea if it's a neighbor walking through the yard looking for a dog, or a searcher looking for Maura.
So that means that this dog is so crazy that it goes through glass doors when someone walks through their yard? Sounds like one of the worst trained dogs I've ever heard of. Seriously, what kind of dog goes through a door bc someone walked through their yard?
If anything u should b praying that this dog gets trained before a neighborhood kid walks through the yard and gets killed by this insane dog.
Seriously, since when r people in Nh worried about someone cutting through their yard?? I've NEVER heard of that except in this case..the question is: why??
Would these same people b angry if a neighbor walked thru their yard looking for a dog? I don't think so, so what's the problem. If a stranger was walking around my backyard I'd be on the phone calling 911. I like sitting outside in my backyard in the summer in my nightgown having my coffee and listening to the birds.It's very relaxing and private. I like my privacy.My dog also enjoys sitting next to me. Out of decency and respect for the landowner permission should be asked before walking around someones property.If my dog protects me and attacks the stranger walking into my yard that opens the door for that person to sue me. Any strangers walking thru my yard without permission will be arrested for trespassing. If someone has lost their dog they can knock on my door and I'll be happy to let them look around. I'd even help them look.
|
|
Since: Nov 08
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
Jenkins wrote: <quoted text>I would love to see logic, someone who actually puts forth facts of why certain theories r wrong. Again, with the backwards think. I need to do nothing. Everything I speak about, are the facts. You, on the other hand, speak of local kidnappers, red trucks that whisked young girls away, talk about how only you and some others KNOW that she was kidnapped, that others are covering it up, that she is dead/raped/etc but you offer nothing that points to it. We are supposed to apparently accept just your word for it. That only locals use the road in winter. That the river rages in February. Others lied about calling or lied that the 911 system had problems. Even about the things that we know are wrong. You have to love people that want to use reverse logic. Bill
|
|
“"Dancing with wolves"”
Since: Oct 10
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
Jenkins wrote: <quoted text>
This right here is 100% pure, unadulterated
Bullshit, on so many levels. I see no logical thought strung together by the posters I'm referring to, I see personal attacks and people squeezing facts to fit the preconceived notion that she was a stupid drunk college girl that got lost in the woods.
I would love to see logic, someone who actually puts forth facts of why certain theories r wrong. I would love help eliminating theories. Instead I
Get personal attacks & bullshit.
You don't actually believe the crap u write, do u? The only one that keeps saying she was a stupid drunk college girl that got lost in the woods is YOU.
|
|
Since: Feb 12
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
Jenkins wrote: <quoted text>
Lol, r u fkn serious?? Really?? Someone walked through someone's yard without asking first? Wow, Your gonna pray for her and her dog? Why because someone walked through her yard? R u joking here?
The thing I always loved about Nh is how nice all the people r, people in Nh r good neighbors still, unlike a lot of other places.
If someone loses their dog, nobody goes and asks permission to walk through a yard to go looking for their dog.
Nobody would ever complain that someone walked through their yard looking for a dog.
But not for a human? R u guys seriously complaining that someone walked through someone yard?
I understand that it's probably been a few times and several different people but shouldn't a family looking for their daughter get a little more leeway than someone looking for a lost dog?
As for the dog that went through the glass door: that's just bad dog training plain and simple. The dog has no idea if it's a neighbor walking through the yard looking for a dog, or a searcher looking for Maura.
So that means that this dog is so crazy that it goes through glass doors when someone walks through their yard? Sounds like one of the worst trained dogs I've ever heard of. Seriously, what kind of dog goes through a door bc someone walked through their yard?
If anything u should b praying that this dog gets trained before a neighborhood kid walks through the yard and gets killed by this insane dog.
Seriously, since when r people in Nh worried about someone cutting through their yard?? I've NEVER heard of that except in this case..the question is: why??
Would these same people b angry if a neighbor walked thru their yard looking for a dog? I don't think so, so what's the problem. What a riot.
|
|
Since: Feb 12
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
Judged:
3
Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
Yes that did happen in the past but to be fair I haven't heard of anyone trespassing thru the yards for quite some time. Some of the searchers did ask permission while others didn't bother. Straight answer with no foul language. Thank you!
|
|
Jenkins
New York, NY
|
Again, bill you don't believe this crap that u write do u? Actually theres nothing to point that she got lost in the woods. If u would take your head out of the sand you would be able to see that it's pretty obvious she got abducted that night. I know it's sucks To admit this happens in your vacationland, but it most likely did. I offer up many, many things that point to this being so. every thing I say I either back up with facts, or my reasoning for saying it. Which I notice u never try to discredit, opting to attempt to discredit me personally by offering up a bunch of things I've never even said. Where r u getting this crap? I never said only locals use the road, in fact just the other day I said it's the fastest & most popular route to take from vt to get to Lincoln, which is the most popular tourist area in Nh. I said a lot of people use this road to travel through.. I never said anyone lied about calling 911, where did u get that? I said he tried calling 911 & the lines were busy. Who ever said anything about 911 having problems. So again, r u just making shit up now? Kind of like when u made up how many houses u own, do u even own any or do u just rent? Be honest here I also have never said I believe the perp is a local, actually just yesterday I talked about how I'm still on the fence as to whether or not this was a random kidnapping or someone she knew. Last week I said that if the red truck was responsible they probably would've started following her in vt, so no I never said anything like that. As for the river I never said it was ragingkle it does in spring during the ice flows, but I did say Its way bigger than it is during the summer, which is absolutely true. Late fall is generally rainy and some snow melts all year. After about December the river is much, much bigger than it is in summer. I was there about a week after she went missing and that river was def flowing. When u stood near it it was LOUD, it was raging pretty tough. Not like the end of spring but u have to remember that it gets above freezing many days in the winter, & when it does snow starts to melt. Anyone saying that the river is the same size in February as it is in the summer is just plain wrong. I was dead serious when I said that I would put up $1000 & give it to anyone willing to try to cross that river at night in february(if it's a real winter, NOT like this winter)..I garauntee nobody will take that bet. Bill, the last thing u talk about r the facts. It seems like the only fact u know is that ITs difficult to find people in the wilderness. Your the last person who should be talking about reverse logic. You started with your preconceived notion(that she's a stupid drunk college chick that got lost in the woods) & u cling to that although u have absolutely nothing pointing to that being so. & what about the nhsp, or the states attorney, or the Nh league of investigators? They all r using reverse logic too? Maybe we should fire all investigators in Nh and hire u bill, bc clearly their critical thinking skills suck, right? Or maybe u should just teach them that they're using reverse logic? I've been following this case since day , & I've looked at it with a critical mind the whole time, no preconceived notions at all. I let the evidence point me in the direction I'm looking. I want to believe she ran off and started a new life, I'm constantly looking for evidence to support that but unfortunately I've found very little. Every time I look at the evidence it points me back to her being murdered. The question is was it a random thing or was it someone she knew?
|
|
Since: Apr 12
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
A Fairy Tail Little Red Riding Hood ran into the woods in [Woodsville] and was followed by a [big, fat yellow school bus driver]. "Wait", he said. "You forgot your booze!" So she stopped and turned to him with [her hair down] and stuffed the bottles under her [armpits]. Then came the [mudslide] which carried her deeper into the woods. Poor Little Red Riding Hood was wearing [ballet slippers], and so she couldn't easily navigate the [slippery rocks]. Still, she was determined to [do the funky Squaw Walk]. She came upon a [wolf] who was [huffin' and puffin'] and [buff]. The wolf joined her in taking mudslides right from the [coke bottle]. To this day they travel around Kinsman Range together, crossing rivers and [panning for gold]. No longer must she {study] or [work]. This beautiful girl lives happily ever after.
|
Since: Apr 12
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
A Green Tree wrote: A Fairy Tail
Little Red Riding Hood ran into the woods in [Woodsville] and was followed by a [big, fat yellow school bus driver].
"Wait", he said. "You forgot your booze!"
So she stopped and turned to him with [her hair down] and stuffed the bottles under her [armpits].
Then came the [mudslide] which carried her deeper into the woods.
Poor Little Red Riding Hood was wearing [ballet slippers], and so she couldn't easily navigate the [slippery rocks].
Still, she was determined to [do the funky Squaw Walk].
She came upon a [wolf] who was [huffin' and puffin'] and [buff].
The wolf joined her in taking mudslides right from the [coke bottle].
To this day they travel around Kinsman Range together, crossing rivers and [panning for gold].
No longer must she {study] or [work].
This beautiful girl lives happily ever after. You cracked the case, kiddo. Congratulations! It's over. Done. Y'all can go home now.
|
|
TeeJay
Astoria, NY
|
I'm not a regular on this forum, but I just wanted to raise a few points (in case anyone wants to discuss):
(1) According to Fred, Maura was supposed to call him at 8:00 pm on February 9 -- less than 30 minutes after she disappeared -- to discuss the accident she'd had in his car two nights earlier (in Hadley, MA). Does anyone besides me find it odd that this time frame coincides with Maura's second accident and disappearance, and with the fact that Maura was not in an area with cell phone reception?
(2) Is there any follow-up on the A-frame house on Valley Road, where cadaver dogs were responsive to a particular closet? I've read that this house was being rented to a man whose brother later gave Fred a rusty knife, and I was also wondering if forensic tests on the carpet yielded any results.
(3) Has anyone considered the possibility that Maura committed identity theft and vanished of her own free will?(Lots of people have gone missing for decades under a false identity, and Maura apparently had a prior history of credit card fraud.)
(4) This is a long shot -- but has anyone considered the possibility that Maura suffered a dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? A fugue can be triggered by extreme stress or trauma.(See, for example, the missing persons case of Amber Gerwick.)
I hope you all don't mind me throwing these few ideas out there...
|
|
Since: Nov 08
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
TeeJay wrote: I'm not a regular on this forum, but I just wanted to raise a few points (in case anyone wants to discuss):
(1) According to Fred, Maura was supposed to call him at 8:00 pm on February 9 -- less than 30 minutes after she disappeared -- to discuss the accident she'd had in his car two nights earlier (in Hadley, MA). Does anyone besides me find it odd that this time frame coincides with Maura's second accident and disappearance, and with the fact that Maura was not in an area with cell phone reception? It's interesting, but you haven't told us what you think it means? TeeJay wrote: (2) Is there any follow-up on the A-frame house on Valley Road, where cadaver dogs were responsive to a particular closet? I've read that this house was being rented to a man whose brother later gave Fred a rusty knife, and I was also wondering if forensic tests on the carpet yielded any results. It was (by rumor from a questionable source) supposedly menstrual blood. Possibly from a clothes hamper. TeeJay wrote: (3) Has anyone considered the possibility that Maura committed identity theft and vanished of her own free will?(Lots of people have gone missing for decades under a false identity, and Maura apparently had a prior history of credit card fraud.) Please don't confuse anyone here with talk of Maura having a plan to escape. Only the most gruesome of deaths perpetrated by locals should be discussed. How she behaved in her previous life has nothing to do with people who don't want to be confused with any earlier facts that might pertain to what happened to her. So, in short, stop your thinking. Many here don't appreciate it. I on the other hand do. But, if your going to get all "thinky" using critical thinking skills here be prepared to pay the price from the "I want to spout any bullshit that pops into my head" crowd. TeeJay wrote: (4) This is a long shot -- but has anyone considered the possibility that Maura suffered a dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? A fugue can be triggered by extreme stress or trauma.(See, for example, the missing persons case of Amber Gerwick.) It has been talked about. I consider it unlikely, but is just my thought, others may have a different opinion. Bill
|
|
Jenkins
New York, NY
|
TeeJay wrote: I'm not a regular on this forum, but I just wanted to raise a few points (in case anyone wants to discuss):
(1) According to Fred, Maura was supposed to call him at 8:00 pm on February 9 -- less than 30 minutes after she disappeared -- to discuss the accident she'd had in his car two nights earlier (in Hadley, MA). Does anyone besides me find it odd that this time frame coincides with Maura's second accident and disappearance, and with the fact that Maura was not in an area with cell phone reception?
(2) Is there any follow-up on the A-frame house on Valley Road, where cadaver dogs were responsive to a particular closet? I've read that this house was being rented to a man whose brother later gave Fred a rusty knife, and I was also wondering if forensic tests on the carpet yielded any results.
(3) Has anyone considered the possibility that Maura committed identity theft and vanished of her own free will?(Lots of people have gone missing for decades under a false identity, and Maura apparently had a prior history of credit card fraud.)
(4) This is a long shot -- but has anyone considered the possibility that Maura suffered a dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? A fugue can be triggered by extreme stress or trauma.(See, for example, the missing persons case of Amber Gerwick.)
I hope you all don't mind me throwing these few ideas out there... 1- that is def odd. I also find it very odd that Fred said that he told her to call him around 8, but LE couldn't get ahold of him until the following nite. Shouldn't he have been a little worried when she never called that night? Shouldn't he have at least left his phone on or been near his phone waiting for her call? 3- I think that everyone here hopes she went off to start a new life with a new identity, & it is possible this is what happened, but unlikely. Maura was no criminal mastermind by any stretch of the imagination. In nov she got busted using a stolen credit card to order pizzas to her dorm room. Who orders something directly to their room with a stolen card? R we to believe she went from one oftbe worst criminals in nov to someone able to start a new identity and avoid detection for 8 years in a little over a months time? I would love for this to be true but it doesn't appear to be so
|
|
Casey
Fort Mill, SC
|
TeeJay wrote: I'm not a regular on this forum, but I just wanted to raise a few points (in case anyone wants to discuss):
(1) According to Fred, Maura was supposed to call him at 8:00 pm on February 9 -- less than 30 minutes after she disappeared -- to discuss the accident she'd had in his car two nights earlier (in Hadley, MA). Does anyone besides me find it odd that this time frame coincides with Maura's second accident and disappearance, and with the fact that Maura was not in an area with cell phone reception?
(2) Is there any follow-up on the A-frame house on Valley Road, where cadaver dogs were responsive to a particular closet? I've read that this house was being rented to a man whose brother later gave Fred a rusty knife, and I was also wondering if forensic tests on the carpet yielded any results.
(3) Has anyone considered the possibility that Maura committed identity theft and vanished of her own free will?(Lots of people have gone missing for decades under a false identity, and Maura apparently had a prior history of credit card fraud.)
(4) This is a long shot -- but has anyone considered the possibility that Maura suffered a dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? A fugue can be triggered by extreme stress or trauma.(See, for example, the missing persons case of Amber Gerwick.)
I hope you all don't mind me throwing these few ideas out there... Where did you hear about the credit cards?
|
|
Since: Apr 12
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
Jenkins wrote: I agree that they know things, the question is: to what extent do they know it?
These people know an abduction/murder took place, they just have to. I mean the state police know it, the states attorney knows it & so does every PI who's ever worked this case, but for some reason there's these posters that don't? I don't believe it, they know a murder took place they just don't want to admit it.
I'm under the impression that very few people actually know the details of what happened to her exactly, I don't think it's a widespread conspiracy.
But it's obvious that local LE knew this from day one and have wanted to sweep it under the rug. They have an agenda to not admit what happened here. The night of the accident smith was onthe scene for almost 2 hrs. This is NOT normal for a 1 car accident that slid off the road. He knew a girl was missing & he knew she most likely had been abducted, why do u think he never searched east? He knew she didn't go that way. The perp took her either up bhr or to the west, both directions lead west, not east.
Sometime between the time smith was on scene for 2 hrs and them pullin over red trucks that night somebody decided it would look much better if they just denied knowledge of it that night. This has to be why smith chose to lie to the family when try arrived, telling them he thought it was fred driving the car.
So that's one definite, 100% no doubt about it documented lie told by the cops, right from the start..u gotta ask why?
These cops either don't wanna be the guys who can't catch a murderer, or they r responsible.
I'm leaving towards them being embarrassed. Think about it: they have a dying tourism industry in that immediate area but more importantly their tax base is relying on people from mass, Ct & ri buying second homes there & paying property taxes. Remember that Nh has no sales tax so they live off property taxes up there. Like was said above mt lakes is 50% summer homes. If a beautiful young girl was abducted and killed up there, & the cops can't find the person that means there's a killer on the loose, possibly targeting out of state people intentionally. Not a very good thing to read about a town that your thinking of buying a summer house in, right? If they don't pretend it didnt happen who's gonna wanna buy a summer house where there's a known murderer on the loose? How about if u have 2 highschool age daughters? In reality the area is no more or less safe then anywhere else just bc this happened, but to the general public this just does not look good. It's already not a popular place to have a summer home(compared to like Lincoln or north Conway) or for tourism, everybody considers that area a lot more "backwoods", white trashy kind of area, whether that's accurate or not is debatable but this is what people think of the area. The last thing they need is for people from mass to think that girls get abducted there. The public can b a bunch of idiots sometimes and one abduction people can think it's like deliverance or something. When I was in college in Plymouth 5 yrs before this took place everyone said that girls shouldn't drive those back roads by themselves; "you'll get yourself killed" was the reason as I recall. I can't count the # of times I heard that up there. So people already have this idea in the back of their heads, admit a girl actually got taken and killed & your confirming everyone's fears.
Bottom line is The cops will NEVER admit that she was abducted unless they have a suspect in cuffs.
That's not gonna b good for tourism or home prices in the area & the cops often fall victim to the first budget cuts. Great insight. One of the best CIs ever.
|
|
Since: Apr 12
Location hidden
|
Please wait...
Judged:
5
2
Total distortion, prejudice against cops. http://www.eagletribune.com/haverhill/x101442...
|
|
Casey
Fort Mill, SC
|
Judged:
1
Casey wrote: <quoted text>Where did you hear about the credit cards? Thanks, I found the info about the credit cards.
|
|
citigirl
Fall River, MA
|
|
|
Jenkins
Astoria, NY
|
Northwestern DA wrote: <quoted text>
Great insight. One of the best CIs ever. Thanks northwestern DA..what does "CIs" mean? I feel like I should know but the only thing I can think is confidential informant & I don't think that's what u meant
|
|
Jenkins
Astoria, NY
|
I think it's highly suspicous that Fred is saying that he told maura to call him @ 8 that night but then police couldn't get ahold of him. He didn't say call me Tuesday night bc I'm gonna be held up at work & unable to answer the pnone, he said call me at 8. So why couldn't the cops get ahold of him? Makes no sense
|
|
hannah_b
Sweden
|
There was an incoming call to Maura´s cell at 8.10 pm (source: phone records as shown on ID. Was that Fred who was trying to get ahold of her? Him not reacting to Maura not being in touch has always bothered me, bearing in minf how close they reportedly were. Why had he still not tried to get in touch with her when LE finally reached him late Tuesday afternoon?
|
|
Jenkins
Astoria, NY
|
Pretty sure that was not fred calling her at 8:10. This part of his story just doesn't make any sense. She's supposed to call him & not only does he not try calling her, he isn't available for a whole day after that? Something doesn't add up. I guess it's possible he just figured she was out partying with her friends or something so maybe he wasn't too worried she disnt call, but shouldn't he have at least been available to take calls? Just like his story of buying her a car. He told the public that they had a car picked out & he was going to return the following week to buy it. Ok well he told the cops that he had $4000 on him that day to go look at cars & makes no mention of having one picked out. If he had the $ & a car picked out, why not just buy it for her that weekend? Why is it that her friend who they ate dinner with at the abc has no recollection of them talking about buying a car? U would think that if she had picked out a car she would've told her nest friend about it that night at dinner, who ever heard of a college student not being excited to get a new car? I wonder if that 4000 was money for her to start a new life with. Did he tell LE that bc he knew they'd b able to access his bank records and c he withdrew 4 g's? When he told the public his story he prob never assumed we would b able to read his written statement to LE. These r just 2 of the many inconsistencies in fred's statements & why did he not sit down for a formal interview with investigators for over 2 years? While at the same time talking shit about the investigators. When he did sit down finally he brought not one but 2 lawyers with him. That's his right but it's very odd behavior from a father that's supposed to be so concerned about finding his daughter
|
|
|
Dating
