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You've been on 112 and I haven't. Even if the roads were dry/no ice, do you think even the best runner could make it 5 or more miles running on that road in February at that time of night? She was already shaken up when the bus driver called 911. If she was thinking clearly, I don't understand why she would east in the first place. If she was so shaken up or drunk that she wasn't thinking clearly, could she have made it five miles at all? It makes less sense every time I think about it. I'm leaning toward the idea she was picked up/got in a car at the 100 yard mark, and that the CW was just wrong.
There is little to no shoulder on either side of the road but yes it would be very possible to do that distance .i think she was picked up sooner but that is just my feeling on it I would imagine that if she did make the run that she would have been very frightened because it is so very dark on that roadway .
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There is little to no shoulder on either side of the road but yes it would be very possible to do that distance .i think she was picked up sooner but that is just my feeling on it I would imagine that if she did make the run that she would have been very frightened because it is so very dark on that roadway .
Yeah, I'd be scared of injuring myself if nothing else. Heck, I would injure myself running here for even one mile at night in February. I'm no track star though.:-)
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Maura did't know that part of 112 and it doesn't look so bad until you get to SBD house and BHR and then it is like no wheres land. That is where it gets very dark and many of the homes ( there are few) are second homes/ more like cottages and camps.There are a few year round homes but not very many.

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(1) According to Fred, Maura was supposed to call him at 8:00 pm on February 9 -- less than 30 minutes after she disappeared -- to discuss the accident she'd had in his car two nights earlier (in Hadley, MA). Does anyone besides me find it odd that this time frame coincides with Maura's second accident and disappearance, and with the fact that Maura was not in an area with cell phone reception?
(2) Is there any follow-up on the A-frame house on Valley Road, where cadaver dogs were responsive to a particular closet? I've read that this house was being rented to a man whose brother later gave Fred a rusty knife, and I was also wondering if forensic tests on the carpet yielded any results.
(3) Has anyone considered the possibility that Maura committed identity theft and vanished of her own free will?(Lots of people have gone missing for decades under a false identity, and Maura apparently had a prior history of credit card fraud.)
(4) This is a long shot -- but has anyone considered the possibility that Maura suffered a dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? A fugue can be triggered by extreme stress or trauma.(See, for example, the missing persons case of Amber Gerwick.)
I hope you all don't mind me throwing these few ideas out there...
1) Maura took off for some reason and she didn't seem to be in her right mind. It's been said that Fred was not at home, so was he staying in a motel in CT, and/or if at home, did he have a landline? This is important because people/police would have to know his cellphone number first of all. The police called the wrong house in Hanson, MA, and spoke to Freddy JR, thinking this was the right call. A side note* Did Freddy try to call his dad? I've only heard Kathleen got through to him. And evidently his cellphone had to be turned off all day while at work. But then, why didn't he check his messages, like any chance Maura tried to call him and so on....only to find out SOONER that Maura went missing overnight?
2)FROM A POSTER ON WEBSLUETHS: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php...
That is one of those things that was completely and unintentionally mangled in the public. The blood was, to the best of my knowledge (and I believe it says this in the SoCo article) never tested. It is THEORIZED that this blood could have POSSIBLY been from another source, such as menstrual blood from a clothes hamper.
BUT THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A FACT. There have been attempts to clear this up, but for some reason they've failed. The truth of the matter on that particular bit of info is that NO TEST RESULTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED. I don't even know if tests have been performed.(none of answer @2 is mine)
3)I think Maura dreamed of being in the white mountains for most of her life. It's written nearly everywhere for all to read. If she was mad at dad, and had issues with other family members, the only person she'd miss to this day might be Kurt, her Aunt and grandma. She likely signed her own name to those pizza slips in the event she were caught. She could say she didn't realize the number she had written down was'nt the right one, but she used it upon not finding her card and signed ever so innocently, MM.(just in case she got caught).
So, yes, I think she could have decided to start over somewhere under a different name and be a stay at home ---, or just get on with someone new who could support her. Mcsmom said you can start a new identity for only one dollar. PARTIAL QUOTE FROM RENNERS BLOG:
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/forgo...
Was Maura creating a second identity???
You can open a first citizen account with $1.00.
4)Dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? You bet, it happens. People have been taken advantage of and the shy's the limit as to what they could reduce her to.
I just saw this post from days ago and gave it a shot. Goodnight all.

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TeeJay wrote:
(1) According to Fred, Maura was supposed to call him at 8:00 pm on February 9 -- less than 30 minutes after she disappeared -- to discuss the accident she'd had in his car two nights earlier (in Hadley, MA). Does anyone besides me find it odd that this time frame coincides with Maura's second accident and disappearance, and with the fact that Maura was not in an area with cell phone reception?
(2) Is there any follow-up on the A-frame house on Valley Road, where cadaver dogs were responsive to a particular closet? I've read that this house was being rented to a man whose brother later gave Fred a rusty knife, and I was also wondering if forensic tests on the carpet yielded any results.
(3) Has anyone considered the possibility that Maura committed identity theft and vanished of her own free will?(Lots of people have gone missing for decades under a false identity, and Maura apparently had a prior history of credit card fraud.)
(4) This is a long shot -- but has anyone considered the possibility that Maura suffered a dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? A fugue can be triggered by extreme stress or trauma.(See, for example, the missing persons case of Amber Gerwick.)
I hope you all don't mind me throwing these few ideas out there...
1) Maura took off for some reason and she didn't seem to be in her right mind. It's been said that Fred was not at home, so was he staying in a motel in CT, and/or if at home, did he have a landline? This is important because people/police would have to know his cellphone number first of all. The police called the wrong house in Hanson, MA, and spoke to Freddy JR, thinking this was the right call. A side note* Did Freddy try to call his dad? I've only heard Kathleen got through to him. And evidently his cellphone had to be turned off all day while at work. But then, why didn't he check his messages, like any chance Maura tried to call him and so on....only to find out SOONER that Maura went missing overnight?

2)FROM A POSTER ON WEBSLUETHS: That is one of those things that was completely and unintentionally mangled in the public. The blood was, to the best of my knowledge (and I believe it says this in the SoCo article) never tested. It is THEORIZED that this blood could have POSSIBLY been from another source, such as menstrual blood from a clothes hamper.

BUT THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A FACT. There have been attempts to clear this up, but for some reason they've failed. The truth of the matter on that particular bit of info is that NO TEST RESULTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED. I don't even know if tests have been performed.(none of answer @2 is mine)

3)I think Maura dreamed of being in the white mountains for most of her life. It's written nearly everywhere for all to read. If she was mad at dad, and had issues with other family members, the only person she'd miss to this day might be Kurt, her Aunt and grandma. She likely signed her own name to those pizza slips in the event she were caught. She could say she didn't realize the number she had written down was'nt the right one, but she used it upon not finding her card and signed ever so innocently, MM.(just in case she got caught).

So, yes, I think she could have decided to start over somewhere under a different name and be a stay at home ---, or just get on with someone new who could support her. Mcsmom said you can start a new identity for only one dollar. PARTIAL QUOTE FROM RENNERS BLOG:
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/forgo...
Was Maura creating a second identity???
You can open a first citizen account with $1.00.

4)Dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? You bet, it happens. People have been taken advantage of and the sky's the limit as to what they could reduce her to.

I just saw this post from days ago and gave it a shot. Goodnight all.

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Also, I've been giving a little thought to Maura drinking and driving. When and if she stopped for that biffy break, gas, maybe some food, she may have opened her wine that was on the receipt. It could NOT have been the same wine from the Saturday night party.(MHO) She may have bought a pop, poured some out, filled some wine into the bottle and continued on. Because it was open and the crash dented the box of wine, it would appear she had consumed alot, but maybe she hadn't.

For all we know she was on the last leg of her venture and felt it ok to have a little bit to drink at that point.
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It makes perfect sense to me that she probably entered the woods, and if she did, she would not necessarily be found to this day.
It's just my opinion, and everyone has one.
There were extensive searches in the surrounding woods on February 10 (the day after Maura went missing), and no footprints were in the snow in the woods. Low-flying helicopters with excellent visibility found absolutely nothing in the woods to indicate that a person had been there, and police dogs could only trace Maura's scene 100 yards up the road.

Remember, it was very dark when Maura's car crashed, and the woods are extremely dense and pitch-black in the vicinity. The only plausible scenario, in my opinion, is that Maura entered another vehicle.

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TeeJay wrote:
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There were extensive searches in the surrounding woods on February 10 (the day after Maura went missing), and no footprints were in the snow in the woods. Low-flying helicopters with excellent visibility found absolutely nothing in the woods to indicate that a person had been there, and police dogs could only trace Maura's scene 100 yards up the road.
Remember, it was very dark when Maura's car crashed, and the woods are extremely dense and pitch-black in the vicinity. The only plausible scenario, in my opinion, is that Maura entered another vehicle.
Did police up in the choppers see snowmobile tracks?
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Just me--paris wrote:
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1) Maura took off for some reason and she didn't seem to be in her right mind. It's been said that Fred was not at home, so was he staying in a motel in CT, and/or if at home, did he have a landline? This is important because people/police would have to know his cellphone number first of all. The police called the wrong house in Hanson, MA, and spoke to Freddy JR, thinking this was the right call. A side note* Did Freddy try to call his dad? I've only heard Kathleen got through to him. And evidently his cellphone had to be turned off all day while at work. But then, why didn't he check his messages, like any chance Maura tried to call him and so on....only to find out SOONER that Maura went missing overnight?
2)FROM A POSTER ON WEBSLUETHS: That is one of those things that was completely and unintentionally mangled in the public. The blood was, to the best of my knowledge (and I believe it says this in the SoCo article) never tested. It is THEORIZED that this blood could have POSSIBLY been from another source, such as menstrual blood from a clothes hamper.
BUT THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A FACT. There have been attempts to clear this up, but for some reason they've failed. The truth of the matter on that particular bit of info is that NO TEST RESULTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED. I don't even know if tests have been performed.(none of answer @2 is mine)
3)I think Maura dreamed of being in the white mountains for most of her life. It's written nearly everywhere for all to read. If she was mad at dad, and had issues with other family members, the only person she'd miss to this day might be Kurt, her Aunt and grandma. She likely signed her own name to those pizza slips in the event she were caught. She could say she didn't realize the number she had written down was'nt the right one, but she used it upon not finding her card and signed ever so innocently, MM.(just in case she got caught).
So, yes, I think she could have decided to start over somewhere under a different name and be a stay at home ---, or just get on with someone new who could support her. Mcsmom said you can start a new identity for only one dollar. PARTIAL QUOTE FROM RENNERS BLOG:
http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/forgo...
Was Maura creating a second identity???
You can open a first citizen account with $1.00.
4)Dissociative fugue and has complete amnesia? You bet, it happens. People have been taken advantage of and the sky's the limit as to what they could reduce her to.
I just saw this post from days ago and gave it a shot. Goodnight all.
Thanks for your helpful reply to my earlier post.

Given the covert and bizarre nature in which Maura left UMass-Amherst on 2/9/04, and given the major sources of stress she was facing in her personal life, I tend to think that her disappearance was not the result of a random opportunistic abduction or homicide. But LE knows more than we do, and they seem to suggest that foul play occurred. I just don't know.

I've also read a lot about the Brianna Maitland disappearance, which occurred a few weeks later (3/19/04) in nearby Vermont under eerily similar circumstances. There were obvious signs of a struggle around Brianna's wrecked car, and she is known to have been associated with convicted drug dealers/firearm carriers from NYC. LE believes that the two cases are unrelated, but you never know...
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Just me--paris wrote:
<quoted text>Did police up in the choppers see snowmobile tracks?
I haven't heard anything about snowmobiles on Rte. 112, but the surrounding woods are far too dense for any sort of vehicle to penetrate. Plus, nearby residents probably would have noticed if a snowmobile had been nearby during the brief window of time when Maura disappeared.
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I think it's fairly obvious she caight a ride out of there, she's a beautiful young girl anybody would give her a ride if she needs it.

The bigger question is whether or not that was the person who harmed her, I tend to think so but maybe not. There is a very distinct possibility she got picked up by a friendly passerby who gave her a ride up Lincoln and neverthoight twice about it.
Most people in Nh have never heard about this Case so imagine if ther person was from NYC k something? The chances of them hearing about it are extremely low.

Bhr is like the end of civilization for a while, 17 miles. It is dark as hell out there. No lights or houses for miles. While she certainly could have ran the 5 miles, why?
Once she crashed her car there's no way she was like screw it, I'll run re rest of the way..there's no way.
Why wasn't she concerned about finding a ride?
That makes no sense to me, shouldn't that have been her top priority?

I feel like she must has been travelling in tandem with someone she knew, just seems like that would answer so many weird things she did that day. Besides for the fact that 280 will barely get u one nite in a condo. Just the fact that she was looking at condo rentals, not motel rooms, indicates that she must've been travelling with someone or planning on meeting someone.
Who reta a whole condo to themselves? How could she pay for that anyways?
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Where was the last place she was seen alive?
Has everyone actually been wrong for assuming the accident scene was her last known location all these years? Going by what the sa said in court it appears we have been wrong.
They specifically say that they can not release her last known whereabouts to Fred bc it could damage their investigation. That is like a pretty big bombshell IMO, her last known location wasn't the accident scene?
They just can't b talking about the crash sight, there's no way. This has been common knowledge since the beginning and saying she was last seen at the crash would certainly not damage any investigation.
They say revealing her last known location would reveal to the poi's the scope of the investigation.
There must have been another credible sighting of her after the crash, or before.

Is it possible they believe there was 2 accidents that night? Considering the fact that this was the conclusion the Nh league of investigators came to, it is very possible that's exactly what they think. The league is 10 retired Nh SP that are very seasoned investigators. They wouldn't come to that conclusion unless they had some damn good evidence pointing to that being the case.

Could this b the reason the logs look doctored? Maybe they r actually doctored but not for nefarious purposes? Maybe the sa got the hour before her crash removed from the log bc it would reveal to the perp what they know?

That statement, that they can't say where her las known sighting was is very telling.

It sounds like they more or less know what happened to her & they know who did it; but without more evidence they can't prove it in court. They gotta find her body for this case to come to a conclusion
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You continue refering to the NH League of Investigators. Could you possibly provide the direct link to the results of their investigation? It would be helpful to know exactly what their investigation consisted of, more specifically how thorough their investigation could be considering they don't have access to the case files. That is sort of like throwing darts in the dark really.

You seem to have 'adopted' the NH League as your personal info source, anytime you wish to 'legitimize' one of your theories you refer to them as if they were your new BFF's.

Even more interesting to me is how you have repeatedly stated that the NH State Police are a bunch of idiots, clueless and have never solved a major case, however in the same breath you state that the NH League, made up of retired NHSP detectives, is the "be all end all" authority on this case. Here are your exact words...
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The league is 10 retired Nh SP that are very seasoned investigators. They wouldn't come to that conclusion unless they had some damn good evidence pointing to that being the case.


So which is it? Is the NHSP a bunch of retards who can't find their ass with a map, or are we brilliant and 'seasoned investigators' who should be trusted? I guess it depends on whether or not we agree with YOUR OPINION, huh?

lol you are so transparent dude, sooo funny.
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Where did Maura Murray vanish to.
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You continue refering to the NH League of Investigators. Could you possibly provide the direct link to the results of their investigation? It would be helpful to know exactly what their investigation consisted of, more specifically how thorough their investigation could be considering they don't have access to the case files. That is sort of like throwing darts in the dark really.
You seem to have 'adopted' the NH League as your personal info source, anytime you wish to 'legitimize' one of your theories you refer to them as if they were your new BFF's.
Even more interesting to me is how you have repeatedly stated that the NH State Police are a bunch of idiots, clueless and have never solved a major case, however in the same breath you state that the NH League, made up of retired NHSP detectives, is the "be all end all" authority on this case. Here are your exact words...
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So which is it? Is the NHSP a bunch of retards who can't find their ass with a map, or are we brilliant and 'seasoned investigators' who should be trusted? I guess it depends on whether or not we agree with YOUR OPINION, huh?
lol you are so transparent dude, sooo funny.
Thanks for challenging the self-selected authority on the authorities. Let's see if you can bang some sense into the crowd.

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FrmLE wrote:
You continue refering to the NH League of Investigators. Could you possibly provide the direct link to the results of their investigation? It would be helpful to know exactly what their investigation consisted of, more specifically how thorough their investigation could be considering they don't have access to the case files. That is sort of like throwing darts in the dark really.
FrmLE, is it common for LE not to share a missing persons case file with a league of investigators comprised of their own retired men?

Were the NHLI working for the family?

At least one of this league (or claimed to be) posted on forums that they believed the accident was staged and a look-a-like was used for when the bus driver passed by. So no, I don't have a lot of faith. LOL. Maybe that's the kind of thing that happens if you don't have access to a case file, but I've never seen the case file and I think my Bigfoot-in-the-red-truck theory was better.:-)

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FrmLE wrote:
You continue refering to the NH League of Investigators. Could you possibly provide the direct link to the results of their investigation? It would be helpful to know exactly what their investigation consisted of, more specifically how thorough their investigation could be considering they don't have access to the case files. That is sort of like throwing darts in the dark really.
You seem to have 'adopted' the NH League as your personal info source, anytime you wish to 'legitimize' one of your theories you refer to them as if they were your new BFF's.
Even more interesting to me is how you have repeatedly stated that the NH State Police are a bunch of idiots, clueless and have never solved a major case, however in the same breath you state that the NH League, made up of retired NHSP detectives, is the "be all end all" authority on this case. Here are your exact words...
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So which is it? Is the NHSP a bunch of retards who can't find their ass with a map, or are we brilliant and 'seasoned investigators' who should be trusted? I guess it depends on whether or not we agree with YOUR OPINION, huh?
lol you are so transparent dude, sooo funny.
To paraphrase Woody Allen, there's nothing wrong with them that a baseball bat and a fist full of Prozac couldn't cure.

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amy researches wrote:
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Observer1984, welcome to Hell.:-) You've picked up on many things I've missed. I do like Bill; he's a funny guy.
I also agree with Snowy's assessment you quoted above, based on things I've been told by numerous sources who witnessed what went on at the first MM forum and in NH. The second MMM forum is still online, or was a few weeks ago when someone sent the link to me. Some of the BS carried over to that second forum, as well at to Topix, it seems.
Information was not just withheld from the public - the public was outright manipulated. I am told people were not allowed to ask questions about Maura's past on the forums run by the family, and that posters were kicked off for expressing opinions the family didn't like. Others were harassed away, I'm told. If this is true, and I believe it is, then it sure does sound like they are hiding something or protecting someone; maybe they're not, but that's the impression this kind of behavior gives me.
I don't share the undying respect for Renner's journalistic integrity that others do, but I respect that he has done a good job in helping to bring some of the truth about Maura's past to light. I believe her past does matter, because it could have been someone she knew who harmed her. It's not our right to know her past, but it's also a strange game to play with people who are trying to help. They have insulted the NH community as a whole - including locals like Wowzer who could have provided valuable assistance and information - and accused people like the bus driver without proof. Also wrong. I agree with those who stated that they're happy they don't live there. Fortunately for me, I don't.
Please understand, I have nothing personally against Maura's family. They are strangers to me. Anyone who loses a family member has my sympathies. I just don't understand why they've conducted themselves in the way they have. It isn't our job to try to understand them, I suppose. Just as it's not our job to find Maura. Still, many have offered to help in various ways. Because we do care.
I don't hold Maura personally responsible for the proverbial "sins" of her family and people like Shack. Maura deserves to be found. If she was killed, she deserves justice just like everybody else.
But I think it's important not to disregard the history here, because at the very least it does help explain why certain posters who have been here so long are so angry.
I hope one day the FBI will step in, or that LE will get their man or find their answers. For the sake of everyone who has suffered through this mess, as well as for the sake of closure for the family.
I'm sure someone will come along behind me to call me crazy, throw peanuts, accuse me of being in a conspiracy, create a character to mock me with, or whatever. LOL. Have at it.
Are you all on drugs?

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Are you all on drugs?
LOL. I can't speak for the others, but I'm not. Can't afford the good ones. We don't all own as many houses as Bill.:-)

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