Maura Murray

I have an observation from a ride past the site this weekend.

I was looking for the dirt road that RF might have see the runner head up approx 4-5 miles. There are two dirt driveways but the road that I think would fit is an old logging road located just after Rt 116 (that heads to Haverhill). This is located about 5 miles from the scene. If RF did take 116 to BHR to bypass the Potholes then this would fit.

This road is gated in the winter and is not plowed however so prints would be visible. It is not that close to the crash site so this probably was not looked at in the first couple of searches. This road goes for quite a ways into the woods and has drivable trails off of the main road.

Just wanted to throw an observation out there is all.

I also noticed that the river is approx 25-30 ft on average to cross over and the woods is extremely thick on the other side. I personally don't see it as a strong option that she crossed over the river on her own.

jwb wrote:

I have an observation from a ride past the site this weekend.
I was looking for the dirt road that RF might have see the runner head up approx 4-5 miles. There are two dirt driveways but the road that I think would fit is an old logging road located just after Rt 116 (that heads to Haverhill). This is located about 5 miles from the scene. If RF did take 116 to BHR to bypass the Potholes then this would fit.
This road is gated in the winter and is not plowed however so prints would be visible. It is not that close to the crash site so this probably was not looked at in the first couple of searches. This road goes for quite a ways into the woods and has drivable trails off of the main road.
Just wanted to throw an observation out there is all.
I also noticed that the river is approx 25-30 ft on average to cross over and the woods is extremely thick on the other side. I personally don't see it as a strong option that she crossed over the river on her own.

JWB, that's interesting about the dirt road. I wonder if it would be plowed in the winter. Are the NH streets typically plowed in the winter, to the point where someone could easily navigate on foot? I've not put much faith in the CW sighting, but anything is possible.

I don't understand why anyone would think she crossed a river. I must have missed whatever sparked that discussion.

Stupid typos.

"wondered" not wonder

Are the OTHER NH streets typically plowed...

jwb wrote:

I have an observation from a ride past the site this weekend.
I was looking for the dirt road that RF might have see the runner head up approx 4-5 miles. There are two dirt driveways but the road that I think would fit is an old logging road located just after Rt 116 (that heads to Haverhill). This is located about 5 miles from the scene. If RF did take 116 to BHR to bypass the Potholes then this would fit.
This road is gated in the winter and is not plowed however so prints would be visible. It is not that close to the crash site so this probably was not looked at in the first couple of searches. This road goes for quite a ways into the woods and has drivable trails off of the main road.
Just wanted to throw an observation out there is all.
I also noticed that the river is approx 25-30 ft on average to cross over and the woods is extremely thick on the other side. I personally don't see it as a strong option that she crossed over the river on her own.

I also couldn't help think that Maura being a runner would prob have been jogging against traffic and this road is on that side (left).

amy researches wrote:

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JWB, that's interesting about the dirt road. I wonder if it would be plowed in the winter. Are the NH streets typically plowed in the winter, to the point where someone could easily navigate on foot? I've not put much faith in the CW sighting, but anything is possible.
I don't understand why anyone would think she crossed a river. I must have missed whatever sparked that discussion.

No it is not plowed as it is mainly used for hunters in the fall at this point. It is fairly wide but is gated and blocked off in late fall.

Now- If maura continued from there (dirt road)-there is 116 towards Franconia on same side of the road (wilderness and sparse homes) and just after that (on right) is a small road that crosses over the river and There is a at least one or two houses (they call it Wildwood) this was an old logging community that is no longer but the roads go for miles and wilderness galore. Ithat road I am sure is plowed but probably just past the houses that are at the beginning. That area does see its share of hunters and fisherman but it is not busy by any means

jwb wrote:

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No it is not plowed as it is mainly used for hunters in the fall at this point. It is fairly wide but is gated and blocked off in late fall.
Now- If maura continued from there (dirt road)-there is 116 towards Franconia on same side of the road (wilderness and sparse homes) and just after that (on right) is a small road that crosses over the river and There is a at least one or two houses (they call it Wildwood) this was an old logging community that is no longer but the roads go for miles and wilderness galore. Ithat road I am sure is plowed but probably just past the houses that are at the beginning. That area does see its share of hunters and fisherman but it is not busy by any means

I'm guessing those areas weren't part of a search, right? The reason I asked about the plows is, where I live we don't plow side streets as often as the main roads especially at night. We don't have dirt roads here, but I imagine that if I was running that I would not choose a road that wasn't plowed or lit unless I had no other choice. If hypothermia set in, that's another story.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Are you saying the investigators have poison for evidence??
Green Tree please don't eat the people you are talking about.
Wow Jenkins poisoning takes this onto a completely different path.
I wonder if it was something in the water?

Lol, no I'd didnt mean to write poisons, damn iPhone autocorrect.. I meant to write they have poi's and specific evidence a crime was committed here.
Sorry about that i dont wanna start some crazy theory about poisoning or Anything like that.

amy researches wrote:

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JWB, that's interesting about the dirt road. I wonder if it would be plowed in the winter. Are the NH streets typically plowed in the winter, to the point where someone could easily navigate on foot? I've not put much faith in the CW sighting, but anything is possible.
I don't understand why anyone would think she crossed a river. I must have missed whatever sparked that discussion.

Personally besides just ducking on coming motorist, I don't see either of the roads I mentioned as likely options as one is not plowed at all and the other really looks more like a driveway (narrow cross over the river). Maura knew lincoln so I would assume she would have kept going on Rt 112 .

I feel that she was either abducted further down from the crash site or she made it to Lincoln. I just don't agree with the theory that she went into the woods based on terrain and motive (why). If she made it 5 miles away from the crash then most likely she was not suicidal.If she was cold then there are some houses along the way or she could have flagged down a motorist.

amy researches wrote:

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I don't blame people for being angry, if they are. I see what you're saying though.
And don't worry. I am capable of agreeing to disagree with someone's opinion without cussing them out, insulting them, or resorting to violence.
PS I do not like potato salad. Just fyi, in case there is ever topix picnic.:-)

It's chicken...chicken salad. LOL

Northwestern DA wrote:

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Jenkins, congratulations, excellent job. Much appreciated that you trashed a poster who's been gone 2 months in order to lure him back into the discussion so he could be trashed some more and hopefully go over the line.
Don't worry, if he didn't flip out and cross the line this time we'll keep on trying. At least by cross-forum posting, we connected his real name with his creepy personality. It's on the internet forever. Totally forever. He deserves it. Thanks to people like you and "findmauramurray," real people in the real world hate him and won't have anything to do with him.
After he applies for a job, HR does an internet search and connects his name with trash talk and he doesn't ever get hired. Which is wicked funny because he never knows why he can't get a job. He can't even make new friends because after they meet him for the first time they go home and just Google him and then want nothing to do with him.
Eventually he'll be totally isolated and succumb to having no friends and no money and then that'll be the end of him. We'll get justice one way or the other, sooner or later, by his hand or ours, but sometimes it's fun to really drag it out.
Good work, Jenkins.
Oh, about SBD. Same deal. He couldn't get a promotion or a second job because of the rumors about him. He didn't lose his job but some parents got nervous, which bothered him a lot. And he was the butt of a busload of jokes in Woodsville for years. Still is. Too thin skinned. Hey, trash get what they deserve. SBD never looked like a model citizen anyway, if you know what I mean. Healy even called him a shithead to the media. Healy's good, one of us, really makes a guy look like dirt, you know? Even after he's dead.

Hey northwestern who exactly r you talking about? Who's real name did I use?
I agree with u about not using people's real names online unless absolutely necessary, & I really can't even think of a time it would really b necessary. I didn't even like that people were using acronyms of people's names, I was surprised by this when I started posting again a couple months ago. If u notice I always use sbd or CW, never their initials

I'm not exactly sure Who or what yur talking about here but I would love to know because I agree with pretty much everything your saying here.
What cross forums r u talking about? The only forums I recall mentioning r mm, mmm, & renner's

Northwestern DA wrote:

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Jenkins, congratulations, excellent job. Much appreciated that you trashed a poster who's been gone 2 months in order to lure him back into the discussion so he could be trashed some more and hopefully go over the line.
Don't worry, if he didn't flip out and cross the line this time we'll keep on trying. At least by cross-forum posting, we connected his real name with his creepy personality. It's on the internet forever. Totally forever. He deserves it. Thanks to people like you and "findmauramurray," real people in the real world hate him and won't have anything to do with him.
After he applies for a job, HR does an internet search and connects his name with trash talk and he doesn't ever get hired. Which is wicked funny because he never knows why he can't get a job. He can't even make new friends because after they meet him for the first time they go home and just Google him and then want nothing to do with him.
Eventually he'll be totally isolated and succumb to having no friends and no money and then that'll be the end of him. We'll get justice one way or the other, sooner or later, by his hand or ours, but sometimes it's fun to really drag it out.
Good work, Jenkins.
Oh, about SBD. Same deal. He couldn't get a promotion or a second job because of the rumors about him. He didn't lose his job but some parents got nervous, which bothered him a lot. And he was the butt of a busload of jokes in Woodsville for years. Still is. Too thin skinned. Hey, trash get what they deserve. SBD never looked like a model citizen anyway, if you know what I mean. Healy even called him a shithead to the media. Healy's good, one of us, really makes a guy look like dirt, you know? Even after he's dead.

I don't understand this post. Are you saying SBD was trashed in his own community by posters on the internet? From this site? And you're saying Jenkins did this "good work"?
Who else is trashed that you're so happy about?

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I don't understand this post. Are you saying SBD was trashed in his own community by posters on the internet? From this site? And you're saying Jenkins did this "good work"?
Who else is trashed that you're so happy about?

Oh, God, I get it now. Sorry, Northwestern. I get it.:(

Jenkins wrote:

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& wtf is up with this asshole beagle? It's blatantly obvious that Bart s, detective shtick and all these posts during the last 24 hrs made by beagle talking to himself.
Is this guy just insane or what? Why is je so
Obsessed with topix Franconia that he made a YouTube about everyone on here
Is it possible this guy had anything to do w maura's dissapearance? I find it unlikely
But I'm not exactly sure why it's so unlikely.
This guy is clearly unstable mentally, like seriously. He definitely has something wrong in the head, his obsession with Maura and her case is fucked up.
I find it interesting he was never on any forums until a few yrs ago, & then suddenly he's all over making crazy statements, the kind of statements that only someone who isn't all there would say.
Is it possible he actually abducted her?
He's from western Mass, same exact area Maura was living. Not entirely impossible that he had some sort of contact w maura before.
He's clearly interested in trying to torment the family, this is the kinda shit that only someone who is sick in the head would do.
Is he disappointed that he's never gotten credit for his crime? Is he possibly a serial killer? Or is he just mentally retarded and insane?
What's up with this guy?
Who's the other guy in his videos? The guy dressed as a construction worker, who's that his partner in crime? R they a kill team?
Has anybody looked into this guy for real? Anyone know if LE has? He certainly deserves a serious looking at, or at least to get the shit kicked out of him.
For the videos he's posted I've never seen anyone deserve a bigger ass-beating.
At the very least this guy is a piece of shit who likes to taunt families of missing girls, so he clearly has no conscience.
Someone like that yur not Gonna make him feel bad by anything u write so that's why I suggest multiple beatings is what he deserves. Not saying I'm gonna do that(as much as I want to), but that's clearly what he deserves. Some pain to match what he dishes out.
Anyone who comes online and talks to himself for a day, saying weird incoherent statements is just a straight weirdo.

Jenkins, come a little closer. Give this dead girl a whirl.

Phoebe Prince wrote:

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Jenkins, come a little closer. Give this dead girl a whirl.

Jenkins, go ahead, dance with the village dancer. Give her the old Twist and Shout. See if she can stand up for herself.

Shack wrote: The disappearance of Maura Missing was covered quite well and regulary by the Caledonian Record....but, not by the local newspaper Journal Opinion.

Observer1984 wrote:

<quoted text>Is this a clue?

Not likely. You would be hard pressed to find anyone with less of a clue then her.

Bill

NorthwesternDA What exactly r u talkin about there? When did I ever mention someones real name? I agree with pretty most of what u said above and believe nobody's real name should n tossed around any forum without it being absolutely necessary; & honestly I can't even really think of a reason that it would b necessary to do so.
I honestly don't even like using people's initials to address them. When I started posting again a couple months ago I thought it was strange people were now usIng initials..if u look back I've always used sbd & CW, never their initials..unless I messed up once & used those on accident but I don't think I have.

If somebody has been charged in a crime & their name is already in the media all over, that's one thing...& still even debatable. But I believe everyone should be able to retain their privacy. I would feel bad if someone was unable to find work bc of a post that I made, but at this point I know for a fact that hasn't happened.

Sbd obviously got it the worse and he certainly didn't lose his job or have a problem finding work. In fact everyone up there describes him as a respected member of the community. If the public up there even suspected him slightly do u think they'd let him drive their children? No way in hell. I've never heard someone from that area say a bad thing about the guy, so clearly nobody Hurt his reputation that bad.
As for the CW he still works & does his thing. I don't See how his reputation was damaged. I don't see any tangible damage to him at all.

I can't think of anybody else up there besides cops that I've ever even referenced so who r u talking about? Seriously, I really want to know because If that's true I want to make sure it doesn't happen in the future.

The other thing u were saying about referencing other forums i don't really understand either. I've mentioned mm, mmm, & renner's blog. I don't see what the problem with that is.
Please explain , I certainly don't want to cause any damage to anyone.

But I gotta say, with all this talk of damage to people, nobody has ever shown me one shred of tangible evidence that any damage has actually Been done by any posters on these forum.
I've asked so many times and nobody has ever shown any real, legitimate damage.

Boy. Lots of activity. Some new names and familiar ones. I really wish I had more time to play but have been very busy. Paying for all those houses. Looking forward to going up to NH for a long weekend. Appreciate the kind words from some also. Have a couple of notes to respond to also.

Hope to be back soon to play with everyone.

Bill

Jenkins wrote:

NorthwesternDA What exactly r u talkin about there? When did I ever mention someones real name? I agree with pretty most of what u said above and believe nobody's real name should n tossed around any forum without it being absolutely necessary; & honestly I can't even really think of a reason that it would b necessary to do so.
I honestly don't even like using people's initials to address them. When I started posting again a couple months ago I thought it was strange people were now usIng initials..if u look back I've always used sbd & CW, never their initials..unless I messed up once & used those on accident but I don't think I have.
If somebody has been charged in a crime & their name is already in the media all over, that's one thing...& still even debatable. But I believe everyone should be able to retain their privacy. I would feel bad if someone was unable to find work bc of a post that I made, but at this point I know for a fact that hasn't happened.
Sbd obviously got it the worse and he certainly didn't lose his job or have a problem finding work. In fact everyone up there describes him as a respected member of the community. If the public up there even suspected him slightly do u think they'd let him drive their children? No way in hell. I've never heard someone from that area say a bad thing about the guy, so clearly nobody Hurt his reputation that bad.
As for the CW he still works & does his thing. I don't See how his reputation was damaged. I don't see any tangible damage to him at all.
I can't think of anybody else up there besides cops that I've ever even referenced so who r u talking about? Seriously, I really want to know because If that's true I want to make sure it doesn't happen in the future.
The other thing u were saying about referencing other forums i don't really understand either. I've mentioned mm, mmm, & renner's blog. I don't see what the problem with that is.
Please explain , I certainly don't want to cause any damage to anyone.
But I gotta say, with all this talk of damage to people, nobody has ever shown me one shred of tangible evidence that any damage has actually Been done by any posters on these forum.
I've asked so many times and nobody has ever shown any real, legitimate damage.

WTH continues to damage Shack does that count?

jwb wrote:

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WTH continues to damage Shack does that count?

Nope!

jwb wrote:

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Personally besides just ducking on coming motorist, I don't see either of the roads I mentioned as likely options as one is not plowed at all and the other really looks more like a driveway (narrow cross over the river). Maura knew lincoln so I would assume she would have kept going on Rt 112 .
I feel that she was either abducted further down from the crash site or she made it to Lincoln. I just don't agree with the theory that she went into the woods based on terrain and motive (why). If she made it 5 miles away from the crash then most likely she was not suicidal.If she was cold then there are some houses along the way or she could have flagged down a motorist.

You've been on 112 and I haven't. Even if the roads were dry/no ice, do you think even the best runner could make it 5 or more miles running on that road in February at that time of night? She was already shaken up when the bus driver called 911. If she was thinking clearly, I don't understand why she would east in the first place. If she was so shaken up or drunk that she wasn't thinking clearly, could she have made it five miles at all? It makes less sense every time I think about it. I'm leaning toward the idea she was picked up/got in a car at the 100 yard mark, and that the CW was just wrong.