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<quoted text> I don't understand how Smith turned left on Rte 112, wasn't he on a three way conversation with Westmans and dispatch the whole time??????????
RobinsonOrdway said that the dispatcher who was working that evening was exceptionally competent so it is unlikely that CS was given incorrect location details regarding the crash at WB Corner. And if he was on a three-way with dispatch and the Ws then it’s doubtful he made a wrong turn. Perhaps if he turned left, not right he either saw something suspicious (a speeding vehicle maybe?) or was responding to an earlier incident towards Route 302?

Is it possible that someone saw something that evening that seemed to be insignificant at the time, but when Maura did not reappear it became apparent that it was a major clue in her disappearance?

In the details surrounding Pamela Webb's (still unsolved) murder, the 32-year-old from Winthrop, ME, went missing in the evening of July 1, 1989. On July 2, her truck was found abandoned on the Maine Turnpike in Biddeford. The passenger side rear tire was flat and a spare tire was leaning against the tailgate. Her skeletal remains were discovered in the woods off Route 3 in Franconia, NH, on July 18, 1989. About 75 to 100 people called the Maine State Police to report seeing Webb's truck broken down, but no one was able to provide descriptions of vehicles or persons near the truck. It was, however, discovered that a Maine State Police officer observed suspicious activity near Webb's truck that night she disappeared but did not act on it. As a result Pamela Webb's parents launched a lawsuit against the Maine State Police for failing to intercept in her abduction and murder.

Perhaps that's what the inconsistencies were all about?-- fear of a possible civil suit against local LE for not acting upon suspicious behavior observed the night Maura disappeared?

I am not suggesting that is what happened but if it did, it could explain why the timeline appears to vary from one account to the next.
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<quoted text>Of course I want the answers to what happened to Maura. But dont say your investigating a case and never talk to the ones whom have actually been involved from the beginning. The difference is LE is investigating the case with no profits to themselves. They are just trying to solve a missing persons case. Mr Renner is just writing a book that he will profit on with out talking to all involoved in the case. Why dont we jusy get rid of all LE because MR Renner can show up years later and solve all cases by writing books.
I agree with most of what you post on here, but not this time. Mr Renner has tried to interview Fred and some of Maura's friends but Fred has done his best to stop him. So he has gone on to talk to those who are willing. How much profit had Mr Renner made or is going to make? I ask because you seem to have an idea since you mention it more than once. I am sure that after expenses such as travel and the meager 10% that he is donating I don't think it's much. Regardless, if Maura was my sister or GF I would want to know what happened to her no matter who found out, unless there was things to hide and I was afraid of certain things coming out then maybe not.

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RobinsonOrdway said that the dispatcher who was working that evening was exceptionally competent so it is unlikely that CS was given incorrect location details regarding the crash at WB Corner. And if he was on a three-way with dispatch and the Ws then it’s doubtful he made a wrong turn. Perhaps if he turned left, not right he either saw something suspicious (a speeding vehicle maybe?) or was responding to an earlier incident towards Route 302?
Is it possible that someone saw something that evening that seemed to be insignificant at the time, but when Maura did not reappear it became apparent that it was a major clue in her disappearance?
In the details surrounding Pamela Webb's (still unsolved) murder, the 32-year-old from Winthrop, ME, went missing in the evening of July 1, 1989. On July 2, her truck was found abandoned on the Maine Turnpike in Biddeford. The passenger side rear tire was flat and a spare tire was leaning against the tailgate. Her skeletal remains were discovered in the woods off Route 3 in Franconia, NH, on July 18, 1989. About 75 to 100 people called the Maine State Police to report seeing Webb's truck broken down, but no one was able to provide descriptions of vehicles or persons near the truck. It was, however, discovered that a Maine State Police officer observed suspicious activity near Webb's truck that night she disappeared but did not act on it. As a result Pamela Webb's parents launched a lawsuit against the Maine State Police for failing to intercept in her abduction and murder.
Perhaps that's what the inconsistencies were all about?-- fear of a possible civil suit against local LE for not acting upon suspicious behavior observed the night Maura disappeared?
I am not suggesting that is what happened but if it did, it could explain why the timeline appears to vary from one account to the next.
SRSLY yall cud mak a 4tun doin PI work.
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Frostman wrote:
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RobinsonOrdway said that the dispatcher who was working that evening was exceptionally competent so it is unlikely that CS was given incorrect location details regarding the crash at WB Corner. And if he was on a three-way with dispatch and the Ws then it’s doubtful he made a wrong turn. Perhaps if he turned left, not right he either saw something suspicious (a speeding vehicle maybe?) or was responding to an earlier incident towards Route 302?
Is it possible that someone saw something that evening that seemed to be insignificant at the time, but when Maura did not reappear it became apparent that it was a major clue in her disappearance?
In the details surrounding Pamela Webb's (still unsolved) murder, the 32-year-old from Winthrop, ME, went missing in the evening of July 1, 1989. On July 2, her truck was found abandoned on the Maine Turnpike in Biddeford. The passenger side rear tire was flat and a spare tire was leaning against the tailgate. Her skeletal remains were discovered in the woods off Route 3 in Franconia, NH, on July 18, 1989. About 75 to 100 people called the Maine State Police to report seeing Webb's truck broken down, but no one was able to provide descriptions of vehicles or persons near the truck. It was, however, discovered that a Maine State Police officer observed suspicious activity near Webb's truck that night she disappeared but did not act on it. As a result Pamela Webb's parents launched a lawsuit against the Maine State Police for failing to intercept in her abduction and murder.
Perhaps that's what the inconsistencies were all about?-- fear of a possible civil suit against local LE for not acting upon suspicious behavior observed the night Maura disappeared?
I am not suggesting that is what happened but if it did, it could explain why the timeline appears to vary from one account to the next.
I believe smith knew a lot more that night than he's saying he did.
His actions are just not consistent with a simple one car crash that happens all the time in Nh and commonly on that specific corner by the wb.
We know be lied to the family when they arrived telling them he thought it was Fred driving even though he def knew it was Maura.
So what else has he lied about?
Why should we believe him when he says he simply took a wrong turn?
How could he possibly not know where the turn at the wb was?

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I believe smith knew a lot more that night than he's saying he did.
His actions are just not consistent with a simple one car crash that happens all the time in Nh and commonly on that specific corner by the wb.
We know be lied to the family when they arrived telling them he thought it was Fred driving even though he def knew it was Maura.
So what else has he lied about?
Why should we believe him when he says he simply took a wrong turn?
How could he possibly not know where the turn at the wb was?
SRSLY WTH? U sed this all rdy. Do what u need 2 do widit.

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Hannahb- I wouldn't apply that logic to posts by columbo, he's not exactly professional and he throws out different theories left and right.
He throws out potential possibilities all the time and it doesnt appear je has anything to back up most of the possibilities he refers to.

He's an anonymous Internet poster so in reality he has nothing to worth snout as far as being sued by anyone, he's just posting theories on an Internet forum, you are not being sued for that, no way.

He is not a professional putting his reputation onthe line when he says theories.

I have a lot of questions about why hpd#1 was on the scene and why it was nose to nose with the Saturn but I wouldn't believe anything just because columbo said it.
He doesn't seem like a bad guy and he has tried to help the family but it doesn't appear that he really knows anything more than anyone else posting on the boards
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Wow, so now people are resorting to stealing my moniker??
The "Jenkins" that's posting where his location says somewhere in Spain is not me

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Jenkins wrote:
I read that someone said that a ex-HPD cop knows that Smith is related to the concrete kid...
FACT
SRSLY what a lil wuss u r. I hope Smith reads what u say.

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Bill wrote:
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I agree with most of what you post on here, but not this time. Mr Renner has tried to interview Fred and some of Maura's friends but Fred has done his best to stop him. So he has gone on to talk to those who are willing. How much profit had Mr Renner made or is going to make? I ask because you seem to have an idea since you mention it more than once. I am sure that after expenses such as travel and the meager 10% that he is donating I don't think it's much. Regardless, if Maura was my sister or GF I would want to know what happened to her no matter who found out, unless there was things to hide and I was afraid of certain things coming out then maybe not.
(IF) Maura was my sister or GF I would want to know what happened to her no mater who found out. So much easier for one to say when they are not actually living the nightmare of a missing loved one. Just because one chooses not to speak to another does not mean they have any thing to hide. There is no ending to Renners book because he has no idea as to where and what happened to Maura the night she disappeared.
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Seems to me that if your gonna kill someone its an clearly a great idea to leave their car abandoned on the side of a road because it appears to work every time.
Leave a car abandoned, cop come along and has it towed, ruining any evidentiary value the car had.
Usually nobody notices for a couple days & by the time someone does the car hold no more evidence and the perp is long gone.
This seems to have happened on at least several different occasions.
I guess the question is whether or not it's the same person in some of thaw cases who is capitalizing on a flaw in the system or if these are all just random crimes where the perps are getting lucky.
Probably a little of both but it seems like a serial killer would have a really easy time of it up here.
It looks like the cops Just refuse to even consider the possibility that the crimes could be related, & that's a problem. If they won't even consider it a possibility it is impossible for them to figure it out if they are.
Could this be why whoever killed that woman in 1989 is still on the loose?
Are we still gonna be wondering what jappened to maira and Brianna 23 years later?
I hope not but I don't have very much faith
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If I was a cop I sure wouldnt just let cars stay on the side of the road like that, its stupid.

I think every car abandonded should be collected as evidense in case its a crime sene.

I wish I was a cop, people wuld know.
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Gee, I wonder who it is that stole my name and is pretending to be me...I wonder...fkn idiot
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I wish I was Jenkins. He's hot.

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Jenkins wrote:
I read that someone said that a ex-HPD cop knows that Smith is related to the concrete kid...
FACT
Now this is why I keep coming back. So let me see if I understand this. Smith arrives on scene, finds out a pretty college girl is missing from a staged car crash and says to himself, oh that cousin Ned, that little scamp. He went and stole another pretty girl again. That little dickens. Well, guess I need to cover things up, yet again.

Seriously????

This is why I keep coming back. For tidbits like this. I couldn't possibly come up with shit like this that can make me laugh so hard, for so long. Those of you that ask why I keep coming back. THIS IS WHY! Christ, I have to leave and I don't think I can drive right now. I think I may have s**t my pants laughing so hard.

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LMFAO Entertainment!!!!!!!!!

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LMFAO Entertainment!!!!!!!!!
The Goat
Yer under arrest kid. You have the right to remaaaain silent. Anything you chew up and eat will be held against you in a court of deh internets.
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Hey bill you are aware that I didn't write that.
Look at the location under the name, mine says Dayton oh even though I'm in Nh, I've seen it say MD too. Those ones that say Spain and ny are someone pretending to be me and saying dumb shit.

Look back a page or two and I wrote a whole post saying that there is no way that LE would cover for a murderer. That's just insane to even suggest.
There very well be some corruption up there, I don't know either way, but there is no way there's that kind of corruption. Who wants to cover for someone that murdered a girl anyways? LE might cover for some officials taking kickbacks or something, I could see corruption like that potentially Taking place but no way in hell there gonna cover for a murderer.
Not only that but the coverup would have to go above the local level to the state level and that's just ridiculous, to say the states attorney would cover up for some kid who is related to some assistant prosecutor who murdered some young girl is totally insane crazy talk.

I have no idea if smith is related to anyone who might be involved with the case but I seriously doubt it, I've never seen anything about that.

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findmaura wrote:
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I think theres quite a few wolfs in sheeps clothing here Bill...Let it go...Take a deep breathe&adjust your panties...Unless of course they speak some truth&it scares you?
Yes, she scares the hell out of me. I have seen the damage that she can do. Its not her "truth". Its her lack of basic rules of how to act towards others. The damage she did to previous forums, the damage she did to people attempting to get any information from others if it was available and the hurt she caused by continually mentioning names of people that should have done more, or maybe did something wrong, etc.

If you have even a clue of what went on then, and I thought you were there. Then you are just as clueless if you didn't recognize the damage that she did. If you did recognize it, why didn't you say something?

I have no interest in explaining this further to you or others.

Scare me, YOU bet your ass she scares me.

Sorry, I must have sat on my ball sack wrong for that little tirade, I'll now adjust in my seat. No panties involved.

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>(IF) Maura was my sister or GF I would want to know what happened to her no mater who found out. So much easier for one to say when they are not actually living the nightmare of a missing loved one. Just because one chooses not to speak to another does not mean they have any thing to hide. There is no ending to Renners book because he has no idea as to where and what happened to Maura the night she disappeared.
You missed part of my point though. You keep criticizing Renner for not interviewing everyone, but that's because Maura's dad is telling people not to talk to him.
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You missed part of my point though. You keep criticizing Renner for not interviewing everyone, but that's because Maura's dad is telling people not to talk to him.
sorry Bill but I have not mentioned Renner for quite some time.

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