Maura Murray

Judged:

1

1

1

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

If we are going by octomoms razor lol, then te simplest explanation to all of this is that she simply caight a ride, which would have been extremely easy for a youn girl to do at night in winter in Nh.
To say she ran east for miles and then was able to make it deep into those woods sure does complicate things.
That is not a simple answer at all.
As for the suicide, first of all why would she low to her teachers if she was planning suicide? Make no sense, this oat high school, nobody comes looking for you even if you miss a month of classes, teachers don't care If u moss class.
The only reason to say there was a death in the family was to get excised abscenses. In a tough major like hers a death in the family or a major injury/sickness is the only things that will give you excised absenses. That email makes no sense if she was planning on killing herself.
Also not one of her family or friends ever said that she expressed suicidal thoughts.
She had expressed a desire to start a new life, but never suicide.

Judged:

2

2

1

mcsmom wrote:

<quoted text>
Napkins neatly folded in console, and what appears to be sunglass case.

Judged:

3

3

2

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

If we are going by octomoms razor lol, then te simplest explanation to all of this is that she simply caight a ride, which would have been extremely easy for a youn girl to do at night in winter in Nh.
To say she ran east for miles and then was able to make it deep into those woods sure does complicate things.
That is not a simple answer at all.
As for the suicide, first of all why would she low to her teachers if she was planning suicide? Make no sense, this oat high school, nobody comes looking for you even if you miss a month of classes, teachers don't care If u moss class.
The only reason to say there was a death in the family was to get excised abscenses. In a tough major like hers a death in the family or a major injury/sickness is the only things that will give you excised absenses. That email makes no sense if she was planning on killing herself.
Also not one of her family or friends ever said that she expressed suicidal thoughts.
She had expressed a desire to start a new life, but never suicide.

Judged:

2

2

2

WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text>
Simple physic lesson. Only two things matter in a collision. Weight (mass) and speed. Box filled with wine (heavy) flies around makes big mess. Tissues, box or individual ones (light) not so much. Sunglass case, thrown around in crash, tow truck driver sits or steps on it, throws it in console.
My other buddy Newton has a law. An object in motion tends to stay in motion until acted on by an outside force. In Maura's case, trees at the end of a skid. Car goes from 20 or so MPH to zero pretty quickly. Objects in car still going 20 until something (usually hitting other things inside the car) else stops them. Newton is really one of my top three people. That isn't his only law, but it's late and I don't want to overload the audience.
Bill

Judged:

1

1

1

WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text>
And again, we need to fulfill the evidence. What was her state of mind? She was impaired from alcohol, fleeing school, not telling anyone about it. Is this a rational mind? Could she have made irrational decisions. If the credit card charges, for possibly a second time, is true. What was she thinking when she crashed her car, yet again, with alcohol on board. Was it just an aw shucks moment? Or was it the end of the world for her? If it was and end of the world moment how would she react? Running? On foot, into a strangers car, or into the woods, just making certain that the cops didn't catch her, whatever that took?
All fascinating questions, I think.
Also, this doesn't violate any of Occam rule. It is the quest for the simplest explanation that explains what we know. What you still don't see is that there are to many unknowns to solve the equation. At least with the facts we have. But it does lend itself to a fascinating collection of stories.
Keep searching grasshopper.
Bill

Judged:

4

3

3

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Bill, I don't believe it was ever confirmed she hit the trees, since it appears her vehicle ended up away from trees. Maybe you could explain this better.

Judged:

4

4

2

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Bill, I believe it is a correct fact, wine was found in the car. It is not a fact she was drinking. Yes, fascinating questions include finding the simplest explanation to this accident on WB corner. I seriously doubt she was drinking.

Judged:

3

3

1

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Hi Jenkins,
The cottage witness stayed late that night and didn't leave work until just after 7:00. She says she saw CS circling around as she drove, my expression only...he seemed to be having trouble finding the location as there are too many swiftwater this, swiftwater that and he was new to the area. It is on the outskirts I believe.
Anyway, the cottage witness would have to had seen this nose to nose thing somewhere else for it to even be possible, IMHO. Because of the W-Mans witnessing that has never changed. They called police, got through first and did not mention any police being around before CS. Only that they heard this and that, looked out to see what appeared to be....and stayed on the phone until police DID get there.
Just my take from all I've read.
And if there was a female sliding off a road anywhere along the way, maybe that's the place where the cottage witness saw the cars nose to nose with no one around, and it was then that a different officer responded?.
Either that or as I now realize, what the cottage witness was seeing was CS vehicle nose to nose with the Saturn, no one around due to him leaving his vehicle and walking to the two callers homes (to find out what they saw and what they knew that might be helpful to explain the wreck).

Judged:

2

2

1

WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text>
Anne, even Maura's father admitted it was very likely that she was drinking. I mean, its hard for you to believe a college kid could have been drinking and driving with a container in the car? And I have never been to an accident scene with a missing driver who wasn't drinking.
Bill

Judged:

1

1

1

Just me--paris wrote:

Here's what gets me about the wine box being crushed? How could a small box of wine get crushed in the backseat of a crash? I'll post the paragraph I copied at the end of my post. But it got me thinking. Maybe someone DID move the carseat way back, and that's how the box got crushed? Then I suppose it was lifted to where it was noted, the backseat?
Here's what I copied.........
At 7:46 pm, an officer from Haverhill Police arrived on the scene. The girl who was seen by the second caller and the bus driver was not present. The car was facing westbound in the eastbound lane, locked and with a cracked windshield and two deployed airbags. A damaged box of Franzia wine was found on the rear passenger seat.

Judged:

2

2

2

WTH-the-original wrote:

<quoted text>
Anne, even Maura's father admitted it was very likely that she was drinking. I mean, its hard for you to believe a college kid could have been drinking and driving with a container in the car? And I have never been to an accident scene with a missing driver who wasn't drinking.
Bill

Judged:

1

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

If we are going by octomoms razor lol, then te simplest explanation to all of this is that she simply caight a ride, which would have been extremely easy for a youn girl to do at night in winter in Nh.
To say she ran east for miles and then was able to make it deep into those woods sure does complicate things.
That is not a simple answer at all.
As for the suicide, first of all why would she low to her teachers if she was planning suicide? Make no sense, this oat high school, nobody comes looking for you even if you miss a month of classes, teachers don't care If u moss class.
The only reason to say there was a death in the family was to get excised abscenses. In a tough major like hers a death in the family or a major injury/sickness is the only things that will give you excised absenses. That email makes no sense if she was planning on killing herself.
Also not one of her family or friends ever said that she expressed suicidal thoughts.
She had expressed a desire to start a new life, but never suicide.

Judged:

4

4

4

SRSLYWTH wrote:

<quoted text>
SRSLY she is a beautiful young hot athletic smart pure lil girl and drinks only red gatorate from coke bottles when she drives places 2 b alone 4 coupla dayz bcuz she works so hard. She was goin 2 study her books. WTH is wrong with u???
The Goat

Judged:

3

1

1

Anne wrote:

<quoted text>Bill I have not seen this statement by Maura's father, have you? If so, it still is a mistake to state she had been drinking without proof and none is available, correct? I know you know the area of the WB curve and it would not be necessary to have alcohol in system to drive off that curve in wintertime. I'm sure you agree.

findmaura wrote:

Once you've consumed alcohol,how long before it BEGINS to wear off?...she wouldnt have made it up there in a drunken blackout..I have limited knowledge of alcohol consumption,I kinda skipped over that stuff.

findmaura wrote:

I had asked before if there is cell phone reception where the duct tape&hair were found.Also,is that area accessible in the winter?Have kids/hunters etc been known to frequent that area?

Judged:

3

3

2

Advocate wrote:

Re the driver seat being moved back into a position farther than Maura would have used to drive the Saturn, my guess is that she moved it back so she had more "maneuver room" to get out the door of the car, since apparently she was so close to the snowbank on the driver side that the door pushed into the bank when she opened it. Sharon Rausch mentioned that there was a dent in the snowbank where the driver side door had been opened.