Maura Murray

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TeeJay wrote:

I wanted to raise a question that I haven't seen discussed on any MM forums in quite some time... In June 2005, a girl with blonde hair resembling Maura was seen at a church in Barton, Vermont. A witness said that the girl said her name was "Raykel" and took off quickly when the minister started a Father's Day sermon.
Does anyone know anything about the credibility of this witness account? Any follow-up?

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

It is so disrespectul that these guys come here just to make jokes.
That one was actually funny findmaura.
Anybody who comes onto a forum about a missing girl just to make jokes should be ashamed of themselves
Disrepecting a dead girl, what kind of person does shit like that? It's disgusting

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

I still wonder what motivated the chief to lie about being on scene. He says he wasn't there, but we know that he was, what's up with that?

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Just the fact that she was looking for condos to rent not cheap motels points to someone else helping her. Whether giving her money before she left or meeting her up there she sure wasn't gonna pay for a condo with 280. Most condos are about 150 and they require a deposit of one nights rate, so she barely had enough money for a condo for one night.
Maura was said to be extremely frugal and she's searching for condos online?
She didn't call anywhere in Lincoln but she knew the area fairly well and had to have known there would at least be hotel rooms available in Lincoln. I wouldn't want to go to Bartlett to just try to find a room, if you don't have reservations Lincoln is definitely the place to go, & sh probably knew that.
I just get the sense she had a new bf & For whatever reason they were going to go get a ski condo for a few days. This just makes sense. No way she's renting a ski condo for herself with her 280 so what was she gonna do jf there wasn't anyone else? Also she didn't tell anyone but maybe that's because if she was travelling with someone then in her mind she did tell someone, the person going with her. If your travelling with your bf you don't meccesarily have to tallying family exactly what your doing. Kids like being independent and are often embarrassed to tell her family that she's gonna lie to her teachers so she can get the week off to go skiing with some guy.
Whether this kid had something to do with her dissapearance is purely speculation, but it certainly Is much more likely than a random dirtbag abducting her. That happens way more than stranger murders.
There's 2 reasons he didn't ever come forward if this scenario is true. 1, he killed her it helped her start a new life & 2: she just never showed &!he's scared that he'll get accused of killing her if it comes out

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JWB wrote:

Mr Concrete is an avid skier

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

There is definitely at least an extra half hour of drive time, possibly up to an hour unaccounted for. If she left Amherst at 4 she would've been to the weathered barn a kittle earlier, right around 7.
Which is interesting because all the earliest reports, including a direct quote from the Haverhill chief(the guys w the dui's) which place the crash at just after 7.
She should have been in haberhill just after 7, even with a stop for gas, what was she doing that extra time?
If she left earlier, at 330, which is pretty much about the last time she was seen on campus there's even more missing time.
It's crazy that all reports place the accident closer to 7. The cottage hospital witness says she saw the chiefs truck(HPD#1) nose to nose with the Saturn just after 7. That's right about the time she should have gotten there.
I still wonder what motivated the chief to lie about being on scene. He says he wasn't there, but we know that he was, what's up with that?
People act like it's insane to suggest even the slightest wrongdoing by LE but it's not like we are just picking on small town cops that did an awesome job.
We want to know why they lied about these extremely important facts.
Why are they lying at all?
How is it there's more than onr, documented 100% lie told by the hpd?

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Just me--paris wrote:

Here's what gets me about the wine box being crushed? How could a small box of wine get crushed in the backseat of a crash? I'll post the paragraph I copied at the end of my post. But it got me thinking. Maybe someone DID move the carseat way back, and that's how the box got crushed? Then I suppose it was lifted to where it was noted, the backseat?
Here's what I copied.........
At 7:46 pm, an officer from Haverhill Police arrived on the scene. The girl who was seen by the second caller and the bus driver was not present. The car was facing westbound in the eastbound lane, locked and with a cracked windshield and two deployed airbags. A damaged box of Franzia wine was found on the rear passenger seat.

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TeeJay wrote:

<quoted text>
"Damaged" doesn't necessarily mean "crushed." Maura could have damaged the box herself trying to pour it out quickly, knowing that police would probably arrive soon. It takes a few minutes to pour wine out of a box through the nozzle, but if you rip the box apart you can just dump it in the snow quickly (and there was reportedly a pink patch of snow where the wine was probably poured out).

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Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Hi Jenkins,
The cottage witness stayed late that night and didn't leave work until just after 7:00. She says she saw CS circling around as she drove, my expression only...he seemed to be having trouble finding the location as there are too many swiftwater this, swiftwater that and he was new to the area. It is on the outskirts I believe.
Anyway, the cottage witness would have to had seen this nose to nose thing somewhere else for it to even be possible, IMHO. Because of the W-Mans witnessing that has never changed. They called police, got through first and did not mention any police being around before CS. Only that they heard this and that, looked out to see what appeared to be....and stayed on the phone until police DID get there.
Just my take from all I've read.
And if there was a female sliding off a road anywhere along the way, maybe that's the place where the cottage witness saw the cars nose to nose with no one around, and it was then that a different officer responded?.
Either that or as I now realize, what the cottage witness was seeing was CS vehicle nose to nose with the Saturn, no one around due to him leaving his vehicle and walking to the two callers homes (to find out what they saw and what they knew that might be helpful to explain the wreck).

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>I agree with what both of you had to say about the wine. I just think if it was damaged,(I used the wrong word,~crushed), but if it was damaged, yeah, it could be the spout was yanked out, who knows what they meant when they made note of the box being damaged. But it was found on the back seat and I wondered what anybody might think about that. The idea I thought was interesting is that the car seat was supposedly in the way back position when found, and I supposed the wine got in the way when moving the seat back. Oh well, not like it matters. I feel like all this is next to nothing. I'm sure people have thought of most of these things. It's because it's so puzzling that we try to figure out even the smallest of things. But let's say someone else made the drive, or took over the wheel at some point, it might give some credit to Maura not being the driver, at least at some point.
Gotta go, it's Mom and me day!

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Advocate wrote:

Re the driver seat being moved back into a position farther than Maura would have used to drive the Saturn, my guess is that she moved it back so she had more "maneuver room" to get out the door of the car, since apparently she was so close to the snowbank on the driver side that the door pushed into the bank when she opened it. Sharon Rausch mentioned that there was a dent in the snowbank where the driver side door had been opened.

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Advocate wrote:

Re the driver seat being moved back into a position farther than Maura would have used to drive the Saturn, my guess is that she moved it back so she had more "maneuver room" to get out the door of the car, since apparently she was so close to the snowbank on the driver side that the door pushed into the bank when she opened it.

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Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>I agree with what both of you had to say about the wine. I just think if it was damaged,(I used the wrong word,~crushed), but if it was damaged, yeah, it could be the spout was yanked out, who knows what they meant when they made note of the box being damaged. But it was found on the back seat and I wondered what anybody might think about that.

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Advocate wrote:

Re the driver seat being moved back into a position farther than Maura would have used to drive the Saturn, my guess is that she moved it back so she had more "maneuver room" to get out the door of the car, since apparently she was so close to the snowbank on the driver side that the door pushed into the bank when she opened it. Sharon Rausch mentioned that there was a dent in the snowbank where the driver side door had been opened.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Spoken like people who have never been inside a crashed car. As someone who has been in multiple crashed cars I can happily report that it at times is surreal. Nothing is where it belongs and some things you might never expect to be where it is ultimately found. So wondering if a crash could "break" a wine box is absurd. Of course it can. No mystery. The open container that Maura had is likely the prime candidate for the splashed red liquid (booze) inside the car. It never ceases to amaze at how people love to overly complicate things. Oh, crap, it's on the tip of my tongue, Achoo or Octomom or somethings razor. It says to find the simplest explanation and that will very probably be the correct one that explains a scenario. So a girl driving while drinking misses a corner and has a car accident, spilling the contents of her booze on the inside of the car. Then decides to not wait around for the police and runs off, either into the woods or with the help of an unknown stranger. Can anyone tell me why this simple explanation that doesn't work? It explains all known facts, so why all the extra drama? I mean it is entertaining to speculate about rouge police with their evil vehicle "pointed" at the missing girls car. And mysterious indestructible boxes that explode and toss wine willy, nilly around the car. And rouge cops from the SP and HPD who apparently need to cover up the goins on of some of the more fortunate kin folk with a hankering to steal pretty college girls. We do all love a good yarn don't we'all?
Bill