Maura Murray

This goes out to Fred Murray.
I know this is the hardest thing in the world to have to deal with, and my heart goes out to you in the biggest of ways. I don't use my spare time for things that don't matter....maybe you've heard of me and how I continue to post. I realize that I am just one thing running in the backround, but I keep hoping something will come out of all the chatter. I have my reasons, and yes, some I can relate to because I have been there. This kind of loss is the hardest I think, but any and all losses are still hard. My son has been ill most of his 29 years. I'd rather go through all that than not know where he is. He ran away once. I think he was 22 or so. I was a mess, and it was all mostly over a girl who let him down. His best friend is a firefighter and heard of a bycicle fatality on the hwy near his last sighting. We had to wait and see if it was him. Thankfully not, but someone died that day and so it was sad none the less. He was found sunburned and sleeping in the woods. I won't go on about that.
I admit that most of this stuff being posted is wild imagination. I hope you know the ones who care from the ones who may not. I do care and that's why I hope you get this message from me.
If I could sit with you for one day, I would take your hand in mine and listen to what you've been through. I just wanted you to know that. But there's also one thing that I really do hope you'll consider. Not only that week before Maura left, but things that you've ever had to help with, those things you could do to help Maura through lifes changes. When she said that this wrecking of your car was "the worst". Out of all the things you may have known about or are just finding out to be true (you know what they may be). I know you must have felt her pain, I know I can feel that of my own sons pain. His ups and downs, his DWI, things that I am saying are personal but if he were to go missing again, I would have to lay out a spreadsheet a mile long. You know Maura better than anyone. I want for you,(if you haven't already) to find ONE person be it LE, PI or regular Joe and tell everything you know.
There could be someone in the back of your mind , someone from Maura's past that could make all the difference. I am SURE you have heard all this before, but please start with a piece of paper. Go from one year to the next, throw anything there is, no matter how small or even personal and when it's done share it with someone you trust. Iam speaking from my heart to you here. Nothing is going to break that ice until you shatter the illusion. It may very well be within your power to do so. And since NH won't share the hard drive with you, maybe the Mass police will. You have rights that may be welcomed in Mass. Ask for favor, maybe a copy for yourself. I know you're a wise man. I am only 52 this month, but I have been through hell and back with my sister, my father, and that's about it. I hope you get this. For any of the times that I offended anyone in your family, I am sorry. Lastly, I wonder about this book that's being written. I think grabbing the bull (MR Renner) by the horns might be a good thing to do too.
Sincerely,
Linda

Good luck with the job hunting, btw. Hope your unemployment benefits don't run out before you solve this case. ;)

seriously frmLE, what evidence is there she went into the woods?
Why don't you just answer that?
As far as I can tell the only evidence you guys have presented is that she was drunk and hopped up on adrenaline.

But if you actually read the witness acounts that doesn't match what they saw.
SBD saw her and said she wasn't drunk. She certainly wasn't staggering or slurring her speach.
The westman's saw her go to her trunk a couple times and they also saw her leisurly sitting there with the door open, they thought she was leisurly smoking a cigarette.
WHo sits there leisurely for a few minutes with their door open when they are so scared of a dui that theyre so hopped up on adrenaline they're about to go run 6 miles and then walk miles into the woods to their death? That makes absolutely no sense.

Please present the evidence you have seen that makes you think she went into the woods

FrmLE wrote:

OUCH! Looks like I really hit a nerve huh bobby?
I'll step away and let you have your forum back so you can regain some self worth.
Sorry for the interuption, lol..

??? huh??? Wth are you talking about?

I love how you just avoid all questions frmLe becaus you know answerig them is gonna make you look like a liar.

Can any former cop walk into the SP barracks and ask evidentiary findings on an active case just because they are a former cop and want to know?

How many identities did the federal gov't give you again as state police? lol what was it 3? 4?
Is that common for the feds to give new identities to state police so they can go deep undercover?

How much bullshit can one person spew?

Its so blatantly obvious that frmle can't answer any of these questions or contribute to the conversation.

If he had anything useful to say, anything that could prove wrong what we were talking about last night i'm sure he would say it.
But he doesn't, so he resorts to the lowest form of debate, the same for of debate that 5 yr olds use, the personal attack.

Your a joke dude and anyone with half a brain can figure that out.
Why don't you talk about anything useful because your personal attacks are rather weak

FrmLE wrote:

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Probably not, however if that cop was a NHSP Detective, he would probably know. Hypothetically, of course. ;)
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More than that, I am sure I had over 10 different ID's at one time or another.
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Well let's see, if that person were in the NHSP NIU, I would say it is common place, hypothetically. I mean, how else can an undercover cop function if he didn't have alternate identification?
You do know that there are cops whose job is to play the role of druge dealers, arms dealers, hit men, and just about any other criminal role you can think of, right? You surely have seen the movie, or read the book, right? How do you think those officers function, if they did not have ID? Hellooo???
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THAT, is an excellent question. I believe that as long as you keep talking, we shall find the answer soon enough!
lol, get a job douchebag.

When asked or presented a question you are always there to answer the call and give a response in a logical manner for that I thank you. I do believe you are who you say you are.

I think if you were a tad nicer in your approach you posts would carry their meaning farther.

paris...you are a special person :)

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I think if you were a tad nicer in your approach you posts would carry their meaning farther.

I'll agree with this statement. However I find that my sense of "niceness" is long since gone to those who do not show respect and are not nice themselves. I am not that nice of a person to turn the other cheek, lol.

I tend to think this is the unfortunate side effect of a forum without moderation. Sort of like an Internet version of the 'lord of the flies', Don't you think?

FrmLE wrote:

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I tend to think this is the unfortunate side effect of a forum without moderation. Sort of like an Internet version of the 'lord of the flies', Don't you think?

Post the destruction of the conch shell, Yah I can agree with that.

FrmLE wrote:

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Haha, yes I agree, the clam has been broken.:)

So I have a question and I'm not sure if you can answer this legally or not. A couple of weeks ago I did a search and found my way into an old forum. The old forum had a screen name named Mason making a very strong case for a certain POI. I rather not mention the name of the POI, but if you know the forum I'm speaking about you don't need the name.

I know in the past that you have made mention that you don't think that POI did anything. However is that something factually ruled out or not. Your insight would be very beneficial.

FrmLE wrote:

What happens to those who rely on the social order that no longer exists once the shell has been broken? They perish.
I contend there is no dishonor in having the situational awareness to recognize this and act accordingly.

So just on a side note then. You were pro Truman dropping the bombs I take it?:)

Some DB is goin around here bangin on doors looking for the girl. Same DB that needs to keep his job?

I'm sorry, I don't know what forum you are refering to therefore don't know who that POI is.

I will say that absolutely I am for dropping those bombs. Not whithstanding the fact that both my Grandfathers were Marines in the S. Pacific and fought through every shit eating Island on the way to Japan.

Both were preparing for the upcoming invasion of the Japanese homeland when the war ended and they were able to come home after 4 plus years killing Japs who had declared war on the US.

So for their sake, as well as MY OWN SAKE since I surely would not be here had the war not ended, I concur with the decision to drop the bombs.

I also like The Gap Band.

FrmLE wrote:

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I'll agree with this statement. However I find that my sense of "niceness" is long since gone to those who do not show respect and are not nice themselves. I am not that nice of a person to turn the other cheek, lol.

This is always the response of people who are mean spirited. Whether its the bully in school or the anonymous poster on a forum. "I am only mean because I am not being treated nicely". In reality however that response is almost always a load of bull.

I had approx 3 posts here. I responded to one of yours stating that your logic was not lining up (which I do still contend). That was it, no name calling or personal insults. What was your response you may ask? Read below.

Once you read enough to have a frame of reference to my comments, then I will reply. Until then, read more post less, or risk continuing to look like a fool.
lol, I bet I know which of those options you will choose. lol

If you want to be that rough around the edges, take no crap kind of guy, by all means, go for it. But at least be man enough to admit what you are as opposed to feigning that you only did it because other kids were picking on you.
A good internet forum pointer for all who read this if interested. Anybody who posts insults immediately followed by lol can be automatically dismissed. You see it a lot on forums, and a lot from Frml LE on this particular one.

FrmLE wrote:

I'm sorry, I don't know what forum you are refering to therefore don't know who that POI is.
I will say that absolutely I am for dropping those bombs. Not whithstanding the fact that both my Grandfathers were Marines in the S. Pacific and fought through every shit eating Island on the way to Japan.
Both were preparing for the upcoming invasion of the Japanese homeland when the war ended and they were able to come home after 4 plus years killing Japs who had declared war on the US.
So for their sake, as well as MY OWN SAKE since I surely would not be here had the war not ended, I concur with the decision to drop the bombs.
I also like The Gap Band.

The POI they make reference to is the owner of the vehicle. Of the accident.

"Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines."

Elphalba wrote:

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This is always the response of people who are mean spirited. Whether its the bully in school or the anonymous poster on a forum. "I am only mean because I am not being treated nicely". In reality however that response is almost always a load of bull.
I had approx 3 posts here. I responded to one of yours stating that your logic was not lining up (which I do still contend). That was it, no name calling or personal insults. What was your response you may ask? Read below.
Once you read enough to have a frame of reference to my comments, then I will reply. Until then, read more post less, or risk continuing to look like a fool.
lol, I bet I know which of those options you will choose. lol
If you want to be that rough around the edges, take no crap kind of guy, by all means, go for it. But at least be man enough to admit what you are as opposed to feigning that you only did it because other kids were picking on you.
A good internet forum pointer for all who read this if interested. Anybody who posts insults immediately followed by lol can be automatically dismissed. You see it a lot on forums, and a lot from Frml LE on this particular one.

That's it, I was picked on by the kids on the playground that's why I have no tolerance for foolishness. You got me, darn.

Thanks for your contribution, I feel so put in my place now.

FrmLE wrote:

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That's it, I was picked on by the kids on the playground that's why I have no tolerance for foolishness. You got me, darn.
Thanks for your contribution, I feel so put in my place now.

My goodness, that was not even close to my point. If I had to sum it up, I believe that you deem people disagreeing with you as being "not nice" and use that as a catalyst to insult them.

Just me--paris wrote:

This goes out to Fred Murray.I know this is the hardest thing in the world to have to deal with, and my heart goes out to you in the biggest of ways. I don't use my spare time for things that don't matter....maybe you've heard of me and how I continue to post. I realize that I am just one thing running in the backround, but I keep hoping something will come out of all the chatter. I have my reasons, and yes, some I can relate to because I have been there. This kind of loss is the hardest I think, but any and all losses are still hard. My son has been ill most of his 29 years. I'd rather go through all that than not know where he is. He ran away once. I think he was 22 or so. I was a mess, and it was all mostly over a girl who let him down. His best friend is a firefighter and heard of a bycicle fatality on the hwy near his last sighting. We had to wait and see if it was him. Thankfully not, but someone died that day and so it was sad none the less. He was found sunburned and sleeping in the woods. I won't go on about that.
I admit that most of this stuff being posted is wild imagination. I hope you know the ones who care from the ones who may not. I do care and that's why I hope you get this message from me.
If I could sit with you for one day, I would take your hand in mine and listen to what you've been through. I just wanted you to know that. But there's also one thing that I really do hope you'll consider. Not only that week before Maura left, but things that you've ever had to help with, those things you could do to help Maura through lifes changes. When she said that this wrecking of your car was "the worst". Out of all the things you may have known about or are just finding out to be true (you know what they may be). I know you must have felt her pain, I know I can feel that of my own sons pain. His ups and downs, his DWI, things that I am saying are personal but if he were to go missing again, I would have to lay out a spreadsheet a mile long. You know Maura better than anyone. I want for you,(if you haven't already) to find ONE person be it LE, PI or regular Joe and tell everything you know.There could be someone in the back of your mind , someone from Maura's past that could make all the difference. I am SURE you have heard all this before, but please start with a piece of paper. Go from one year to the next, throw anything there is, no matter how small or even personal and when it's done share it with someone you trust. Iam speaking from my heart to you here. Nothing is going to break that ice until you shatter the illusion. It may very well be within your power to do so. And since NH won't share the hard drive with you, maybe the Mass police will. You have rights that may be welcomed in Mass. Ask for favor, maybe a copy for yourself. I know you're a wise man. I am only 52 this month, but I have been through hell and back with my sister, my father, and that's about it. I hope you get this. For any of the times that I offended anyone in your family, I am sorry. Lastly, I wonder about this book that's being written. I think grabbing the bull (MR Renner) by the horns might be a good thing to do too. Sincerely, Linda

Heartfelt. Honest. Wonderfully eloquent. Good for you for posting what the rest of us lack the courage to say.

Elphalba wrote:

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My goodness, that was not even close to my point. If I had to sum it up, I believe that you deem people disagreeing with you as being "not nice" and use that as a catalyst to insult them.

And this is where I will say, again, that you perhaps don't have enough knowledge and history to know what the F you are talking about.

It is common to have people jump into discussions without taking the time to understand the history and back story, they assume that because they are here now, everything is fresh and pretty. This is what you did when I responded to your earlier posts, you just jumped in with no clue whatsoever and then get upset and butthurt when someone tells you to educate yourself before commenting because you don't know shit.

Those people are typically self centered and naive, perhaps this describes you?