Maura Murray

WTF-the-original wrote:

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I live part time in NH. If you notice the FBI wasn't the only ones I mentioned. And your incorrect. The FBI would get involved IF big IF police are not doing their job. They love busting crooked cops or cops that are dirty. That is part of their job. The FBI over-watches state and local police if needed. So, if you think a crime has been committed and you have evidence of such a thing and you believe that the police are not acting on it because either they are corrupt or because of nepotism. That is EXACTLY the types of things the FBI would get involved in. And again, all the other people I mentioned the SP, the AG both state and federal also could be used. Maura would not be why they are getting involved. They would be getting involved because a crime (you are claiming, not me) was committed and LE is looking the other way because of corruption or nepotism. Again, I don't know if your claim has any merit but if it does any of these people would be keenly interested in it.
And if none of those groups/people/organizations/et c don't work out, you can always go to the press, again, anonymously.
Bill

You could not be further from the truth, because when in 2008 my daughter was kidnapped in Florida and the Pasco County Sheriffs office as well as FDLE would not help I contacted the FBI. They told me that the local law enforcement would have to notify them in order for them to get involved. Civilians just can't contact the FBI to investigate crimes, read the papers and articles they tried it already in this case and got the same result I did. Luckily for me I recovered my daughter by being relentless and diligent without any help from authorities and have since moved from Florida with my daughter.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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I live part time in NH. If you notice the FBI wasn't the only ones I mentioned. And your incorrect. The FBI would get involved IF big IF police are not doing their job. They love busting crooked cops or cops that are dirty. That is part of their job. The FBI over-watches state and local police if needed. So, if you think a crime has been committed and you have evidence of such a thing and you believe that the police are not acting on it because either they are corrupt or because of nepotism. That is EXACTLY the types of things the FBI would get involved in. And again, all the other people I mentioned the SP, the AG both state and federal also could be used. Maura would not be why they are getting involved. They would be getting involved because a crime (you are claiming, not me) was committed and LE is looking the other way because of corruption or nepotism. Again, I don't know if your claim has any merit but if it does any of these people would be keenly interested in it.
And if none of those groups/people/organizations/et c don't work out, you can always go to the press, again, anonymously.
Bill

Believe me I wish it was as easy as you say but I am speaking from my own personal experience, and Maura's family tried to no avail to get the FBI involved but they told them the same thing they told me.

Here's a good example Maura's father brought a bent bloody and rusted knife to the NH SP. It was given to him by a resident of Haverhill/Woodsville. The man told him he thought his brother had something to do with the disappearance of Maura. Her father tried to turn it over to the SP but they would not take it. He eventually mailed it to them and it was confirmed signed for. But, in the meantime this man mysteriously dies before he can be interviewed by SP. Hmmmmmmm!!!!

It was February 9, 2005 just a few feet from where Maura's black Saturn was found pressed against a snow bank one year before. Joining him were family, friends, a local minister and a herd of media.
By now Fred Murray knew the area intimately. Ever since his daughter went missing, he had spent almost every weekend in the White Mountains, driving up from Bridgeport, Conn., to search for any clue to Maura's disappearance.
Earlier that same Wednesday morning, Fred tipped off the media that he was headed to the N.H. State House in Concord in hopes of meeting newly-elected Governor John Lynch. With media at his heels, Fred did meet with Lynch for about 10 minutes.
This was his latest plea for FBI help in the case. Since Maura was still considered a missing person, the FBI could only join the investigation if invited by New Hampshire State Police.
Fred also asked for the governor's help in releasing police records pertaining to the investigation. He had requested documents from police such as phone logs, and accident reports. The governor assured Fred he would look into the situation.
After the meeting, Fred told reporters he hoped Gov. Lynch would intervene on his behalf, but in an interview two years later he described the meeting as no more than "window dressing" -- an effort to show the public that the governor was a "good guy."
This was Fred's second appeal to a New Hampshire governor. In May of 2004, three months after Maura disappeared, Fred had petitioned then Gov. Craig Benson for help, based in part on a new lead that developed.
A local contractor named Rick Forcier had reported seeing Maura on the night of her accident around 8 about 4 to 5 miles from the scene of her abandoned car. Forcier lived on Wild Ammonoosuc Road about 100 yards from where Maura's car was found.
Forcier was returning home from a contract job in Franconia about 17 miles away when he observed a young woman who fit Maura's description running eastbound on Route 112.
When Forcier was first questioned by police, ten days after Maura disappeared, he did not mention seeing the girl running because he was confused about the dates and mistakenly thought it had been two nights after Maura's accident.
Nearly three months later, after hearing numerous news reports about the search for Maura, Forcier checked his work records and realized it was the same night as Maura's disappearance. Forcier told his story to Fred Murray, who relayed the information to police.
On April 29, Forcier was interviewed by State Police Lt. John Scarinza who checked out Forcier's time records at his job in Franconia and confirmed that his story was credible.
As a result of this new information, a search was conducted on May 8. Canine teams with six dogs and 15 Fish and Game officers searched the area where Forcier may have seen Maura running. No new leads were reported.
That same day Fred held a press conference at the Woodsville American Legion Hall with the parents of Brianna Maitland, a 17 year-old girl who was last seen after leaving her waitress job in Montgomery, Vermont, about six weeks after Maura went missing. Montgomery is located about 90 miles north of Woodsville. Maitland's car was found abandoned about a mile from where she worked. At the same press conference were the parents of Aime Riley who was last seen leaving a bar in Manchester, N.H. in August of 2003. Her body was found in April of 2004 in a pond in Manchester, N.H. about 120 miles south of Woodsville.
The press conference was another attempt by Fred to push for FBI help. He and the other families believed the three cases could be connected and since the Maitland and Murray cases crossed state lines, the FBI should be involved, they reasoned.
"Why wouldn't [state police] want the best help in the world?" Fred asked in a later interview. The FBI had been involved on a limited basis shortly after Maura disappeared, but its role was restricted to interviewing Maura's family and friends in Massachusetts.

Go to these links and learn more and tell me what you think! They are very informational and could change some peoples minds on how this was handled. Just remember what if it was your daughter or family member, what would you do???

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php...

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php...

You keep writing about two different things. First the FBI is NOT going to get involved in a case that the local police or SP have the resources, knowledge and information to conduct a proper investigation unless invited. This is the case that we have talked about in the past. There is no reason for the FBI to be involved in this instance. What you are writing about now is something entirely different. If there is evidence that the investigation is compromised because of corruption or nepotism the the FBI does NOT need to be invited in that case. They can start a case of their own because you have violations of Federal law including possible civil rights issues.

You keep talking about apples and oranges. Maura's case would become a federal case if those conditions existed, automatically. Again, I don't believe it, but if you could explain to the SP internal affairs, or the state or federal AG or go to the press. If you had any kind of a case. They would act. Of course, my first suggestion would be to take off the tin foil hat and the bubble wrap sweater before approaching any of these people if you want them to take you seriously.

And I drink only rarely and always just one drink when I do.

Bill

WTF-the-original wrote:

You keep writing about two different things. First the FBI is NOT going to get involved in a case that the local police or SP have the resources, knowledge and information to conduct a proper investigation unless invited. This is the case that we have talked about in the past. There is no reason for the FBI to be involved in this instance. What you are writing about now is something entirely different. If there is evidence that the investigation is compromised because of corruption or nepotism the the FBI does NOT need to be invited in that case. They can start a case of their own because you have violations of Federal law including possible civil rights issues.
You keep talking about apples and oranges. Maura's case would become a federal case if those conditions existed, automatically. Again, I don't believe it, but if you could explain to the SP internal affairs, or the state or federal AG or go to the press. If you had any kind of a case. They would act. Of course, my first suggestion would be to take off the tin foil hat and the bubble wrap sweater before approaching any of these people if you want them to take you seriously.
And I drink only rarely and always just one drink when I do.
Bill

The only one who continues to change the subject here is you as evidenced by your continued posts that in fact change the subject. As for the FBI once again Maura's father has tried that route claiming everything I have said and more to no avail. The way you keep trying to change the subject the more it looks like you in fact are trying to hide something there BUDDY!!! Why don't you take your thick skull of yours out of the bottle and do some research on this subject as well as the FBI. My wife works for the federal government it is not how you say. I think you've been watching too much CSI. As for drinking only one, is that one bottle?

WTF-the-original wrote:

You keep writing about two different things. First the FBI is NOT going to get involved in a case that the local police or SP have the resources, knowledge and information to conduct a proper investigation unless invited. This is the case that we have talked about in the past. There is no reason for the FBI to be involved in this instance. What you are writing about now is something entirely different. If there is evidence that the investigation is compromised because of corruption or nepotism the the FBI does NOT need to be invited in that case. They can start a case of their own because you have violations of Federal law including possible civil rights issues.
You keep talking about apples and oranges. Maura's case would become a federal case if those conditions existed, automatically. Again, I don't believe it, but if you could explain to the SP internal affairs, or the state or federal AG or go to the press. If you had any kind of a case. They would act. Of course, my first suggestion would be to take off the tin foil hat and the bubble wrap sweater before approaching any of these people if you want them to take you seriously.
And I drink only rarely and always just one drink when I do.
Bill

FYI I just went to the FBI site and guess what you are wrong. What you talk about is not even listed. Wake up out your fantasy world crack head, this is not TV. Someone from the inside of said Dept's would have to report it to the FBI, as they will not go on a private civilians complaint. They need concrete evidence to do so, and with everyone in Woodsville in fear of this family, especially the person in question, they won't get it.

WTF-the-original wrote:

You keep writing about two different things. First the FBI is NOT going to get involved in a case that the local police or SP have the resources, knowledge and information to conduct a proper investigation unless invited. This is the case that we have talked about in the past. There is no reason for the FBI to be involved in this instance. What you are writing about now is something entirely different. If there is evidence that the investigation is compromised because of corruption or nepotism the the FBI does NOT need to be invited in that case. They can start a case of their own because you have violations of Federal law including possible civil rights issues.
You keep talking about apples and oranges. Maura's case would become a federal case if those conditions existed, automatically. Again, I don't believe it, but if you could explain to the SP internal affairs, or the state or federal AG or go to the press. If you had any kind of a case. They would act. Of course, my first suggestion would be to take off the tin foil hat and the bubble wrap sweater before approaching any of these people if you want them to take you seriously.
And I drink only rarely and always just one drink when I do.
Bill

Here's the link so you can look for yourself Grissom!!!

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/what_...

Bill 05478 wrote:

Go to these links and learn more and tell me what you think! They are very informational and could change some peoples minds on how this was handled. Just remember what if it was your daughter or family member, what would you do???
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php...
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php...

OK, now I get it. You are reading very old information if you are trying to re-debate this. The blood found in the A-frame. Not related, might have just been menstrual blood. No relation to Maura at all. The knife. Not conducted in a manner that would allow for a proper chain of evidence so it wasn't initially accepted or any reason to believe it had anything to do with the case, but if I remember correctly it has been checked. Either the SP or the PI's have it but no release of information about what was found that I remember.

It is good that you are reading what you can find. What until you get caught up on the current information so you know what stuff has been found to be crap or just a red herring thrown into the investigation. Usually it was just to stir up activity, nothing more. Things like the trailer hitch on the police vehicle, the rusty knife, the blood in the A-frame, the other supposed psycho killer who is dead now, etc. All put there to keep Maura's name in the press and activity on the forums.

Bill

Bill 05478 wrote:

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FYI I just went to the FBI site and guess what you are wrong. What you talk about is not even listed. Wake up out your fantasy world crack head, this is not TV. Someone from the inside of said Dept's would have to report it to the FBI, as they will not go on a private civilians complaint. They need concrete evidence to do so, and with everyone in Woodsville in fear of this family, especially the person in question, they won't get it.

Really? Are you sure?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civil...

Maybe you just don't know how to investigate.

Wow, that took 5 seconds of my time to find.

Bill

WTF-the-original wrote:

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Really? Are you sure?
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civil...
Maybe you just don't know how to investigate.
Wow, that took 5 seconds of my time to find.
Bill

Wow you found that page but none of that helps jackass. No witnesses want to come forward and if everyone involved has each others backs you can't prove anything. That's what I've been trying to say but obviously you only read the half of everything. Now maybe the ex Police Chief of Haverhill, Jeff Williams may have something to say since he was fired for driving under the influence and leading his own police dept. on a high speed chase. His response was "I was trying to test my guys to see how they would handle that situation". FYI I am very much up on the case through people I have talked to in Woodsville and my boys who live there full time. Lets see you live in NH part time but you know everything yet my boys, my ex wife, and countless people I talked to live in the very town and know nothing compared to the almighty you!!! Instead of trying to cast doubt and changing the subject on here all the time, why don't you put your self proclaimed brain to use and get of your fat ass and help a grieving family and bring their daughter home.

WTF-the-original wrote:

You keep writing about two different things. First the FBI is NOT going to get involved in a case that the local police or SP have the resources, knowledge and information to conduct a proper investigation unless invited. This is the case that we have talked about in the past. There is no reason for the FBI to be involved in this instance. What you are writing about now is something entirely different. If there is evidence that the investigation is compromised because of corruption or nepotism the the FBI does NOT need to be invited in that case. They can start a case of their own because you have violations of Federal law including possible civil rights issues.
You keep talking about apples and oranges. Maura's case would become a federal case if those conditions existed, automatically. Again, I don't believe it, but if you could explain to the SP internal affairs, or the state or federal AG or go to the press. If you had any kind of a case. They would act. Of course, my first suggestion would be to take off the tin foil hat and the bubble wrap sweater before approaching any of these people if you want them to take you seriously.
And I drink only rarely and always just one drink when I do.
Bill

Maybe I missed something here....but given the number of people who have disappeared, bodies that have been found (from out-of-state)and possibly some waiting to be found , why on earth wouldn't the NH SP want help from the FBI. It would seem as though they'd want help from the FBI. I thought that the Haverhill police and the NH SP were handling the case (Maura's) together. This certainly is not like it is in the movies. It's a nightmare. Really.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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OK, now I get it. You are reading very old information if you are trying to re-debate this. The blood found in the A-frame. Not related, might have just been menstrual blood. No relation to Maura at all. The knife. Not conducted in a manner that would allow for a proper chain of evidence so it wasn't initially accepted or any reason to believe it had anything to do with the case, but if I remember correctly it has been checked. Either the SP or the PI's have it but no release of information about what was found that I remember.
It is good that you are reading what you can find. What until you get caught up on the current information so you know what stuff has been found to be crap or just a red herring thrown into the investigation. Usually it was just to stir up activity, nothing more. Things like the trailer hitch on the police vehicle, the rusty knife, the blood in the A-frame, the other supposed psycho killer who is dead now, etc. All put there to keep Maura's name in the press and activity on the forums.
Bill

FYI I am not reading old information:

1. I am in contact with her family.

2. I have questioned countless people that live in Woodsville, including my family.

3. I have been informed by a relative of a key suspect that no one in that town would ever tell on him because he is a psycho and his family is very prominent.(Proving a cover up would be difficult but I will try).

If you know so much about this case as you claim then why don't you help in any way? Keeping this forum going is good for Maura's memory and maybe just maybe there is a slight chance that the person responsible for this could be on here and reading what is posted. Maybe it could flush the person out maybe not. Or, but I doubt it she wanted to go away and doesn't want to be found. We don't know none of us do, but I am a father and I feel Fred's pain and want to help. So instead of being so negative and such an ass, do something to help or just shut the hell up. FYI I am employed by the VSP so I do know more than you think buddy.

Bill 05478 wrote:

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Wow you found that page but none of that helps jackass. No witnesses want to come forward and if everyone involved has each others backs you can't prove anything. That's what I've been trying to say but obviously you only read the half of everything. Now maybe the ex Police Chief of Haverhill, Jeff Williams may have something to say since he was fired for driving under the influence and leading his own police dept. on a high speed chase. His response was "I was trying to test my guys to see how they would handle that situation". FYI I am very much up on the case through people I have talked to in Woodsville and my boys who live there full time. Lets see you live in NH part time but you know everything yet my boys, my ex wife, and countless people I talked to live in the very town and know nothing compared to the almighty you!!! Instead of trying to cast doubt and changing the subject on here all the time, why don't you put your self proclaimed brain to use and get of your fat ass and help a grieving family and bring their daughter home.

Are you serious? I'd read that the officer who came to the accident scene later became chief of HPD....but I do not recognize the name above. In any event, people are only human...and I can see how someone might get a dwi/dui. Please tell me though that you are making up the part about the high speed chase. This can't be true. Right?

rozShoem wrote:

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Her IQ is not in that range ("moron"), it's more in the average range in my opinion. Her nastiness is not genuine but she IS a follower. Her problem is that she likes feeling accepted by a little group of her friends on this forum (seeks acceptance, kudos). Together, they attempt to discourage others from using the forum and spend a good deal of time making confrontational statements, unkind remarks hoping people will stop writing. Their purpose? They are dedicated to pressuring others into believing that Maura either ran away or suicided. Like many others, I believe that she is dead and someone will eventually find her remains somewhere off Route 112 in the forest (not in environs of accident scene). If not off Route 112, they'll find her somewhere in Fairlee (wooded area). This is my belief.

Why would you mention Fairlee? That's in VT and several miles away from where her car was found.

rozShoem wrote:

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Maybe I missed something here....but given the number of people who have disappeared, bodies that have been found (from out-of-state)and possibly some waiting to be found , why on earth wouldn't the NH SP want help from the FBI. It would seem as though they'd want help from the FBI. I thought that the Haverhill police and the NH SP were handling the case (Maura's) together. This certainly is not like it is in the movies. It's a nightmare. Really.

Haverhill Police have not been involved in this case in quite sometime now. It is now being handled by the Cold Case Unit. If you have a Facebook account you can go here, it is run by Maura's aunt:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php...
Or you could go to this page as well her aunt is a member here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php...

rozShoem wrote:

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Maybe I missed something here....but given the number of people who have disappeared, bodies that have been found (from out-of-state)and possibly some waiting to be found , why on earth wouldn't the NH SP want help from the FBI. It would seem as though they'd want help from the FBI. I thought that the Haverhill police and the NH SP were handling the case (Maura's) together. This certainly is not like it is in the movies. It's a nightmare. Really.

I can't honestly say one way or the other if the FBI is involved at this time. They could be but keeping it low key so as not to alarm the suspect. But as far as Haverhill Police go, they have not been involved in the investigation for quite sometime. All inquiries now go to the NH Cold Case Unit.

WTF-the-original wrote:

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OK, now I get it. You are reading very old information if you are trying to re-debate this. The blood found in the A-frame. Not related, might have just been menstrual blood. No relation to Maura at all. The knife. Not conducted in a manner that would allow for a proper chain of evidence so it wasn't initially accepted or any reason to believe it had anything to do with the case, but if I remember correctly it has been checked. Either the SP or the PI's have it but no release of information about what was found that I remember.
It is good that you are reading what you can find. What until you get caught up on the current information so you know what stuff has been found to be crap or just a red herring thrown into the investigation. Usually it was just to stir up activity, nothing more. Things like the trailer hitch on the police vehicle, the rusty knife, the blood in the A-frame, the other supposed psycho killer who is dead now, etc. All put there to keep Maura's name in the press and activity on the forums.
Bill

Bill,
It's doubtful this guy is a dead "psycho" killer. You might want to visit the very real possibility that he is very much alive and not mentally ill. He is too organized...if there was disorganization he would have slipped up by now. He is not psychotic. Most likely this fellow is very methodical, has well-honed skills and knows exactly what he is doing.

rozShoem wrote:

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Are you serious? I'd read that the officer who came to the accident scene later became chief of HPD....but I do not recognize the name above. In any event, people are only human...and I can see how someone might get a dwi/dui. Please tell me though that you are making up the part about the high speed chase. This can't be true. Right?

Jeff Williams was Chief of Police at the time of the incident and you are right about Cecil Smith being Police Chief now. Jeff Williams was Police Chief from 2001-2009 and Cecil has been Chief from 2009- Present. The high speed chase is very true and it was ironically Cecil who got him too!!!

Doesn't anyone know how to use Google anymore?
These are basic, well know published facts, people!

rozShoem wrote:

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Are you serious? I'd read that the officer who came to the accident scene later became chief of HPD....but I do not recognize the name above. In any event, people are only human...and I can see how someone might get a dwi/dui. Please tell me though that you are making up the part about the high speed chase. This can't be true. Right?