Maura Murray

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GrampaMo wrote:

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Why do you think she refused help and left the accident scene?
I've gone off the road a couple of times in the winter and prayed that someone would stop to help me.
If she wasn't drinking then what other reason is there for refusing help and leaving her car?

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GrampaMo wrote:

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Why do you think she refused help and left the accident scene?
I've gone off the road a couple of times in the winter and prayed that someone would stop to help me.
If she wasn't drinking then what other reason is there for refusing help and leaving her car?

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JWB wrote:

I am not saying that I don't think she was drinking and or intoxicated. I am only saying that this is an assumption based on what is known. It is not a fact that she was drinking or intoxicated.
Seems like when someone else wants to give a viewpoint or theory it is called windmilling and entertainment. When WTH gives a viewpoint it is fact (in his mind ).

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JWB wrote:

I am not saying that I don't think she was drinking and or intoxicated. I am only saying that this is an assumption based on what is known. It is not a fact that she was drinking or intoxicated.
Seems like when someone else wants to give a viewpoint or theory it is called windmilling and entertainment. When WTH gives a viewpoint it is fact (in his mind ).

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findmaura wrote:

Bill,have you dug up that link on the lie detector results yet?

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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JWB - I can't speak for WTH, but when I read his posts he states what he thinks happened based on the deduction of what we know about the case, and from real life experiences.
As I mentioned if there was blood at the car, or witnesses reported screams, than I would be yelling "foul play".
I can see your frustration. If she ran off into the woods and died than there really isn't much that anyone can do now to help. The only thing that can be done if people wanted to try and "help" would be to find justice if there is any justice to be carried out. So what I think the message that you are getting across is if she did die in the woods than so be it, but if there is any chance that she didn't we should explore the foul play angle?

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I just wonder if someone, with special training, like maybe your mechanic told you s/he thinks that your engine is misfiring. You would say I don't believe you. You don't see the pattern. Does that make you smarter than him/her? Does that mean s/he is wrong? Or does that just make you not bright enough to recognize when someone might know more than you?
Everything that is publicly known about this crash, is easily explained by using a little logic, Occam's razor and being able to see the pattern that has been repeated over and over and over.
And I love your rapid fire posts. First she wasn't drinking, then she was drinking but she wasn't drunk. Now you are saying maybe she was drinking and/or intoxicated. Listen to your mechanic. She was drinking and she was intoxicated. It's a pattern seen over and over and over again. So, just say that you don't hear the engine misfiring and a few of us do. Some people can't be taught and I have learned to live with that. You are free to construct a fantasy world filled with whatever fairies and magic dust you wish.
For other thinking people, lets try another simple analogy. I see a car resting against a tree with the impression of that tree in the front end and hood of the car. Car is still warm. Do I need to see or hear the collision to know it happened? Do you? Or does the pattern fit something that you might be able to figure out?
Listen to your mechanics.
Bill

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I just wonder if someone, with special training, like maybe your mechanic told you s/he thinks that your engine is misfiring. You would say I don't believe you. You don't see the pattern. Does that make you smarter than him/her? Does that mean s/he is wrong? Or does that just make you not bright enough to recognize when someone might know more than you?
Everything that is publicly known about this crash, is easily explained by using a little logic, Occam's razor and being able to see the pattern that has been repeated over and over and over.
And I love your rapid fire posts. First she wasn't drinking, then she was drinking but she wasn't drunk. Now you are saying maybe she was drinking and/or intoxicated. Listen to your mechanic. She was drinking and she was intoxicated. It's a pattern seen over and over and over again. So, just say that you don't hear the engine misfiring and a few of us do. Some people can't be taught and I have learned to live with that. You are free to construct a fantasy world filled with whatever fairies and magic dust you wish.
For other thinking people, lets try another simple analogy. I see a car resting against a tree with the impression of that tree in the front end and hood of the car. Car is still warm. Do I need to see or hear the collision to know it happened? Do you? Or does the pattern fit something that you might be able to figure out?
Listen to your mechanics.
Bill

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JWB wrote:

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very cute post Bill but you still haven't proved she was intoxicated or drinking Sorry you need to try harder - maybe with facts? have any?
Hey - Bill if you get pulled over with a 6 pack in the trunck and 4 were missing would LE assume you were drunk and had been drinking and give you a citation and arrest you on the spot or would they give you a field test and possible breathalizer just to make sure he is not assuming?
maybe you drank the 4 beers the previous day or maybe you did drink them while driving. More facts are needed to determine the answer.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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Yep. You know what precludes all the need for guessing, and the need of a breathalyzer? Running from the scene when there is alcohol clearly visible, in a container, used for drinking.
You see the difference is, the officer would be able to give me a field sobriety test. He could give me a horizontal gaze nystagmus test and even a breathalyzer test if he wishes. You know why? I would still be there, unlike many people who actually drink. They run from the scene.
Bill

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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She also could have been traveling with someone. If you have another ride thats a couple minutes behind you perhaps you would refuse help.
However if she did get into another car of someone she knew she would still be leaving the accident scene.

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JWB wrote:

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She had alcohol in the car and yes probably was drinking as I said before, but you can't say for a fact that she was drinking or intoxicated (as fact) because no one knows that. Just saying that these are assumptions like all other assumptions.
The box of wine was damaged from the accident and could be the cause of the red liquid through out the car. Do we know the test results of the coke bottle with the red liquid that was found outside the car? Do we know if it belonged to Maura or are we assuming?
Things point to the possibility that she was drinking but no facts exist at least that we are

aware of.
We can assume we know why Maura turned down the SBD help but do we know why for sure?

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GrampaMof wrote:

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I never said as a fact that she was drinking or intoxicated. I asked you questions which you haven't answered
Maura's the only one that knows for sure why she refused help from the SBD. My thought is that she wanted nothing to do with the police because she may have been drinking and wanted to get as far away from the accident as quickly as possible.

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JWB wrote:

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You should change your Moniker to Nostradamos !! You are awesome- I mean you Know she was drunk- you know she ran away and you even know what direction she ran (west) and you know the dog tracking was just a hoax ( not mauras scent only kidding guys) it was a squirrell. Thanks Bill - Glad it didn't take me 8 years to get the answers.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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You have some of this correct but when did I say that she headed west?
Bill