Maura Murray

Or is it that JKM came from the east and cleared the scene- nope he was in Lisbon- try again

Hey Bill guess what ? even if Maura went west if she went to sugar hill or littleton then she could have come down through Franconia and Lincoln. Why no BOL to the East on Tues after noon or there after?

jwb wrote:

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Come on Bill you forget already? remember west because she came from that direction and that is why they didn't search east?

You and your little friends can be a little thick sometimes. The speculative question was why, according to you and others, the BOLO would only be to the west. I never said that she went west. It is one of thiry-two cardinal points on the compass that she might have headed.

This is related to the stupidity of the phone game. You say "why would the police only put out a BOLO to the west"? And then when someone responds to your speculation, you start saying it as if it was fact and that the responder to your hypothetical agrees with you. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Bill

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I never said as a fact that she was drinking or intoxicated. I asked you questions which you haven't answered
Maura's the only one that knows for sure why she refused help from the SBD. My thought is that she wanted nothing to do with the police because she may have been drinking and wanted to get as far away from the accident as quickly as possible.

HEY!! Stop using common sense on Topix or you will make enemies. This is NOT the place for common sense or analytical assesment, this is fantasy land. The more absurd, outrageous theory you propose, the more people will like you.

JWB wrote:

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My only frustration is trying to discuss all and any options without being disrespected by WTH.
I really don't hold an opinion that I am not flexible on. I do feel that she met up with foul play and have not yet heard anything else to persuade my thoughts in any other direction. I have started to think the vasi hit may have been part of her running off etc.. I wasn't before but now I am thinking there might be a connection after listening to some posters lay out some good senarios.
I am open to what others have to say.

If she didn't run into the woods, then that means she would have left by car. And if she left by car I don't think the window of time allows the law of probability to work for a killer to sieze the opportunity. I don't think the window would be large enough plus that would mean they pulled off the perfect crime without even planning for it. Too small a chance.

I don't think she would hitch hike at night after an accident because you couldn't see if the car you were flagging down was a police car. Also, there would be witnesses that would say they saw a girl hitch hiking.

So I think that the only other possibility would be she entered the car of someone she new. Any other outcome is too small of a chance for me to consider.

GrampaMo wrote:

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I agree.That would be a good reason to refuse help.

And her car was in bad shape so she wouldn't have drove it if she had the choice. So the person she knew she would be able to get a ride from had to have come from a diiferent location far enough for that person not to drive a little out of the way to pick her up so she wouldn't have to drive.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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And her car was in bad shape so she wouldn't have drove it if she had the choice. So the person she knew she would be able to get a ride from had to have come from a diiferent location far enough for that person not to drive a little out of the way to pick her up so she wouldn't have to drive.

The time frame is a small window for any of the scenarios to happen and that is one of the head scratching things about the case.

I hear many posters say that Maura would not accept any help and they base it on her saying no thanks to SBD. Remember that SBD offered to call LE and she turned that down. If she had been drinking then that would make sense. This doesn't mean that she wouldn't accept a ride from someone down the road once she realized that the area was very remote and that she was cold. It may have been someone she knew or it could have been a perp that followed her/heard the accident on a scanner and lived in the general vicinity or just stopped and charmed her into giving her a ride.She wouldn't have had to be intentionally hitch hiking to get a ride.

Have you ever driven by a car on the side of the road that had its hood up and no driver around and then you expect to find someone walking down the road to seek help ? This may have been the case.

jwb wrote:

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The time frame is a small window for any of the scenarios to happen and that is one of the head scratching things about the case.
I hear many posters say that Maura would not accept any help and they base it on her saying no thanks to SBD. Remember that SBD offered to call LE and she turned that down. If she had been drinking then that would make sense. This doesn't mean that she wouldn't accept a ride from someone down the road once she realized that the area was very remote and that she was cold. It may have been someone she knew or it could have been a perp that followed her/heard the accident on a scanner and lived in the general vicinity or just stopped and charmed her into giving her a ride.She wouldn't have had to be intentionally hitch hiking to get a ride.
Have you ever driven by a car on the side of the road that had its hood up and no driver around and then you expect to find someone walking down the road to seek help ? This may have been the case.

Where would she go? Just grab a ride with someone? That someone would have to promise to bring her back to the car at some point right? Shes not just going to get a ride to no where away from her car.
The person would probably have to live in a home by themselves to pull off the crime of murdering someone and then disposing of the body.
Your putting an murderer on the road. I see a road with poeple driving home to have dinner with their husband, wife, or boyfriend.
There are too many "ifs" for me to accept this as a theory. Also for this theory to work she would have to break a cardinal rule of getting into a car with a stranger. I can't see that happening. She would take her chances in the woods in my opinion rather than with a stranger. If she was smart enough not to go into the woods then she was smart enough not to take a ride with a stranger.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Where would she go? Just grab a ride with someone? That someone would have to promise to bring her back to the car at some point right? Shes not just going to get a ride to no where away from her car.
The person would probably have to live in a home by themselves to pull off the crime of murdering someone and then disposing of the body.
Your putting an murderer on the road. I see a road with poeple driving home to have dinner with their husband, wife, or boyfriend.
There are too many "ifs" for me to accept this as a theory. Also for this theory to work she would have to break a cardinal rule of getting into a car with a stranger. I can't see that happening. She would take her chances in the woods in my opinion rather than with a stranger. If she was smart enough not to go into the woods then she was smart enough not to take a ride with a stranger.

Maura was familiar with Lincoln it is possible that Lincoln was where she was heading.

jwb wrote:

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Maura was familiar with Lincoln it is possible that Lincoln was where she was heading.

The car crashes. If your not traveling with anyone and you only have $280 or so I'd say vacation over. Time to go back to school.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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The car crashes. If your not traveling with anyone and you only have $280 or so I'd say vacation over. Time to go back to school.

yea I would say that also, but Maura was distraught and running away from her life.

jwb wrote:

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yea I would say that also, but Maura was distraught and running away from her life.

I agree that she was distraught and after her second accident in a couple days due to alchol she was probably over the edge. Clearly she had lost control. These signs point to a trouble person that doesn't have a favorable outcome. For her to go missing after the second accident I don't think any outside help needs to be introduced.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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The car crashes. If your not traveling with anyone and you only have $280 or so I'd say vacation over. Time to go back to school.

Respectfully, I disagree. She may have had her Dad's cash with her. There's talk/or rumor that Maura was thinking of ending things with Billy,(if you are inclined to believe Renner's blog), and early on in his blog he asked for that man to come forward. I doubt it was the coach. Maybe, but still, it seemed to be that Renner dropped that one, not sure.
What gets to me is that friends say she hadn't driven that car in weeks. So who brought her home from the New Years eve party in Goshen, NH? Family never did pin point a time that Maura had been back to school after break. It seemed they didn't know or kept quiet about it, OR that she may have only been back for 10 days or so. If she were with,(or meeting) a suitor in Goshen, I could see it fresh in her mind to take off especially if she were expecting with this person. Huge assumption, I know, so I don't give it much thought. As for dad looking in the same place so many times, over and over again, it would seem he knew NOTHING of her plan, last track of her, something......and he seemed truly suprised to find out Maura and Billy were engaged to be engaged.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I agree that she was distraught and after her second accident in a couple days due to alchol she was probably over the edge. Clearly she had lost control. These signs point to a trouble person that doesn't have a favorable outcome. For her to go missing after the second accident I don't think any outside help needs to be introduced.

Agreed. A reprint from before by me, but still valid:

I don't know if she was suicidal. I clearly think she had some serious issues on her plate and now, to add insult to injury, she crashed her escape pod, her car. The thing that was going to wing her away to fun and sun in the mountains, her getaway. And then the drinking so this little adventure got really screwed up, didn't it? Things weren't going really well at this point. So, while running away for at least a while, to "gather her thoughts", as some have suggested, this little challenge occurred. The straw that broke the camels back? I don't know. I am certain she ran from the scene because of the drinking. So now because of this car crash, she has to explain, why she left school telling her friends, professors, family that she lied about the death in the family thing, along with another smashed up car and likely drunk driving charge. She decides to run. Now she is running from the scene. More stuff to have to explain if she is caught. Does that make her push harder and harder to escape? It often does. People reacting this way often have no end game. The only drive is to not get caught. How desperate was she at that point is up for speculation. What she did, or where she headed, I don't know. And if she wasn't suicidal before, she might have been after she looked at the circumstances she found herself in after this cluster stoop. And just as easily she could have fowled herself up at night getting lost in the woods trying to evade and succumbed to hypothermia.

Bill

jwb wrote:

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yea I would say that also, but Maura was distraught and running away from her life.

I don't understand why if you hold this belief, as I do, that she was distraught and running away from her life, then why is it so inconceivable that she ran AWAY FROM HER LIFE!!!???

Literally, she ran into the woods, with some booze and despair, and ran away from life itself. Read what you wrote, read the words, RAN AWAY FROM HER LIFE, and think about how that really is the most likely possibility here.

Why is that the one thing you just won't consider?

FrmLE wrote:

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I don't understand why if you hold this belief, as I do, that she was distraught and running away from her life, then why is it so inconceivable that she ran AWAY FROM HER LIFE!!!???
Literally, she ran into the woods, with some booze and despair, and ran away from life itself. Read what you wrote, read the words, RAN AWAY FROM HER LIFE, and think about how that really is the most likely possibility here.
Why is that the one thing you just won't consider?

My feeling is that if she was planning on suicide then why the need to withdraw $280 from the bank
and why bring the accident reports and school books along for the ride. I just don't feel that suicide was her intention when she started out. on her adventure. We all have opinions in what may have happened afterwards and it doesn't mean that all other theories are not possible. Walking in the woods-starting a new life- murdered all are possible theories. Walking into those woods (knowing how thick the woods are) in the middle of winter is just not high on my list of propbabilities. It is just my gut feeling . I have considered suicide and still consider all possibilities I just am leaning in another direction as you do as well.

I do find it odd however for a young female to take off alone without telling anyone unless maura was an introvert and wanted to work stuff out internally.

JWB wrote:

I do find it odd however for a young female to take off alone without telling anyone unless maura was an introvert and wanted to work stuff out internally.

Maybe Maura hadnt shared this relationship with anyone yet.So consider the person in the red truck was expecting her?Maybe she was hoping to work things out with him?Nothing etched in cement yet,so to speak.

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Maybe Maura hadnt shared this relationship with anyone yet.So consider the person in the red truck was expecting her?Maybe she was hoping to work things out with him?Nothing etched in cement yet,so to speak.

That is another possibilty for certain. I think there is a good possibility that Maura did have another boyfriend. Her relationship with billy was shakey as described by some and long term relationships when you are in your early 20's are very difficult at best. Mauras computer may have held information
on another boyfriend. I am sure that she didn't call other Boys with the cell phone the Rauches had been paying for but maybe she called him from the school phone and used calling cards.

Ive seen mention of the Goshen party today..Why has there been no information on the Goshen party?Personally I think it may shed light onto her local affiliations.