Maura Murray

Stud wrote:

None of you know if Fred hit Maura. Do I know dads who would hit their daughter? I do know parents lock their kids in the car in 95 degree heat so they can shop....this happens every day. Since everything should be in an individual basis, you're argument is null. Witnesses heard quite a row at the hotel that morning ...all while sharing a bed like all good daddy & daughters do at age 21, huh?

She could have had a disagreement in the dorm room with her friends. This could have created the sudden knee jerk reaction to run to her father's hotel room for refuge.

Her friends haven't been that forthcoming with information either about what happened that night.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text> I do think maybe her father was going to meet her up there later in the week, and that is why she took out money from the ATM. I do think he was working that night. I still don't think she met foul play.

Thoughts are cheap. Talk is cheap. Facts, not factoids please.:)

"Fred Murray is a volitile man"-John Healy

Stud wrote:

"Fred Murray is a volitile man"-John Healy

And the rest of what Mr. Healy said (per James Renner’s September 18, 2011 entry) goes like this:

‘ "Fred is a volatile man," he explains. "But I can't fault him."

Healy believes Maura was murdered. "We're sure she was killed. Her death was caused by the intervention of another human being. And we're pretty sure we know who did it. Everything points to one direction."

His personal theory is that Butch may have seen someone stop and pick up Maura. He thinks it might have been someone who Butch was afraid of. Afraid enough to keep it secret even on his death bed.'

Frostman wrote:

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And the rest of what Mr. Healy said (per James Renner’s September 18, 2011 entry) goes like this:
‘ "Fred is a volatile man," he explains. "But I can't fault him."
Healy believes Maura was murdered. "We're sure she was killed. Her death was caused by the intervention of another human being. And we're pretty sure we know who did it. Everything points to one direction."
His personal theory is that Butch may have seen someone stop and pick up Maura. He thinks it might have been someone who Butch was afraid of. Afraid enough to keep it secret even on his death bed.'

Did FM ever give a statement to anyone explaining why she went to see him at 2:30AM ? I'd be interested to hear his take.

Just a reflection here:

In the Haverhill PD accident report compiled by Officer Cecil Smith the accident location where Maura´s Saturn ended up is clearly marked as a spot just after the WB curve.

Many people here - myself included - seem to be of the opinion that it is likely that Maura somehow managed to reverse her car a bit further up Rte 112 to a point closer to the Bradley Hill Road intersection and the M-tte house.
If this was indeed the case and the Saturn was found at that spot, why then would the Haverhill PD report indicate the accident spot as having been much closer to the WB curve and the W-n residence?

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

<quoted text> Did FM ever give a statement to anyone explaining why she went to see him at 2:30AM ? I'd be interested to hear his take.

She had his car, so there were probably plans to return it that night, and if there weren’t then wouldn’t you want to face the music about the crash straight away? I would. She didn’t have her cell phone with her so it wasn’t as if she could call him directly, therefore I guess she asked to get dropped off at the hotel. It sounds as if FM was asleep when she got there so she called Billy.

If the crash hadn’t happened was she planning on driving the Corolla to her dorm? I don’t know, did she need a permit to park her dad’s car overnight on campus?

FM gave a statement to the UMass Campus Police a week or so later.

Frostman wrote:

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And the rest of what Mr. Healy said (per James Renner’s September 18, 2011 entry) goes like this:
‘ "Fred is a volatile man," he explains. "But I can't fault him."
Healy believes Maura was murdered. "We're sure she was killed. Her death was caused by the intervention of another human being. And we're pretty sure we know who did it. Everything points to one direction."
His personal theory is that Butch may have seen someone stop and pick up Maura. He thinks it might have been someone who Butch was afraid of. Afraid enough to keep it secret even on his death bed.'

Frosty Great post-
Mr Healy's resume is impressive as I have posted it before. MR healy was a previous State trouper and he has been a long time investigator. I truly trust that he is just not spouting crap an he has good evidence.I wonder id the evidence he has is the same as Scarinza when he says 75% chance of a conviction.
Who would the SBD be afraid of and not come clean on?
FRMLE what is your feelings on Healys as a professional NHSP and PI?

Frostman wrote:

<quoted text>
And the rest of what Mr. Healy said (per James Renner’s September 18, 2011 entry) goes like this:
‘ "Fred is a volatile man," he explains. "But I can't fault him."
Healy believes Maura was murdered. "We're sure she was killed. Her death was caused by the intervention of another human being. And we're pretty sure we know who did it. Everything points to one direction."
His personal theory is that Butch may have seen someone stop and pick up Maura. He thinks it might have been someone who Butch was afraid of. Afraid enough to keep it secret even on his death bed.'

Bump

who could SBD be afraid of? Local police? prominent family (power)? MMM

people of interest just don't come out of the Blue if LE feels it was a suicide or runaway.

ok- so Healy said SBD was afraid of someone and when I post It I get bad judging, and that is what makes the rest of us think that here is a cover up here. Healy believes SBD saw something and was afraid of whom he saw.Points to one individual says Healy and JWB.

I think a local individual abducted Maura. Yeas Lighthouse bad people do abduct young girls that are lost or are in the wrong spot.

Happens all the time- Lighthouse strange people lurking- How many dads kill there 21 year old daughters? not many sorry- you do hear about babies being killed but not elder daughters.

JWB wrote:

who could SBD be afraid of? Local police? prominent family (power)? MMM

Great question JWB.I've always felt SBD may have seen something&was afraid or threatened to keep quiet.Hence his changing story.My first thought is LE cruiser #1 nose to nose with Mauras car or The red truck.Hasnt it been mentioed the prominent family had a business and owned a red truck at that time?IMHO another possibility is everyones favorite Franconia cop&his gun toting sidekick...

SBD was not afraid of someone that lived outside his community!!!

JWB wrote:

ok- so Healy said SBD was afraid of someone and when I post It I get bad judging, and that is what makes the rest of us think that here is a cover up here. Healy believes SBD saw something and was afraid of whom he saw.Points to one individual says Healy and JWB.

How does Healy "know" SBD was afraid of someone..Did SBD verbalize the fact..Who is the individual you believe it points to???

findmaura wrote:

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Great question JWB.I've always felt SBD may have seen something&was afraid or threatened to keep quiet.Hence his changing story.My first thought is LE cruiser #1 nose to nose with Mauras car or The red truck.Hasnt it been mentioed the prominent family had a business and owned a red truck at that time?IMHO another possibility is everyones favorite Franconia cop&his gun toting sidekick...

Nothing is in concrete until a search is allowed or additional evidence is found.

findmaura wrote:

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How does Healy "know" SBD was afraid of someone..Did SBD verbalize the fact..Who is the individual you believe it points to???

Healy was a PI and must have gotten that feeling from him through interviews. He had many years as a NHSP officer. I wonder if FRMLE knows him or respects him. He has an awesome resume and no bad raps.

Healy seems pretty sure doesn't he? Doesn't sound like he thought she just ran into the woods.