Maruchan
Milford, NH
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findmaura wrote: I've been reading some old info online,came across the stuff pasted below&find it eerily like the "nose to nose with cruiser" scenerio that a passerby to mauras accident reported&the unusual damage to her car. "police car and another vehicle, "bumper to ass, guess would be the best way to put it." The pair spotted the two cars on Route 116. "It's not like a normal stop, where you see a car pulled over and a cruiser behind it kicked off a little," ***** says. He says ***** police SUV was "pushing the guy up against the bulldozer, uh you know, with his car." "***** is asked to draw a map of what he saw. He said he was curious about the position of the cars, and how the police cruiser had ****** car pushed up against a bulldozer so it couldn't move" You should probably have stated that the text you quoted is from Greg Floyd Sr.'s police interview in the Liko Kenney/Bruce McKay murders and has nothing to do with the Maura Murray case. If you are trying to say that a police cruiser may have pushed MM's car in the same manner as McKay did to Liko Kenney and caused the damage to her Saturn, watch the Kenney shooting video and look at Kenney's car - there is no damage to the front end or to the car at all. Link probably won't work: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Maruchan wrote: <quoted text>You should probably have stated that the text you quoted is from Greg Floyd Sr.'s police interview in the Liko Kenney/Bruce McKay murders and has nothing to do with the Maura Murray case. This has been brought up before. It is fantasy, but fantasy is rife in this case. Bill
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findmaura wrote: I've been reading some old info online,came across the stuff pasted below&find it eerily like the "nose to nose with cruiser" scenerio that a passerby to mauras accident reported&the unusual damage to her car. "police car and another vehicle, "bumper to ass, guess would be the best way to put it." The pair spotted the two cars on Route 116. "It's not like a normal stop, where you see a car pulled over and a cruiser behind it kicked off a little," ***** says. He says ***** police SUV was "pushing the guy up against the bulldozer, uh you know, with his car." "***** is asked to draw a map of what he saw. He said he was curious about the position of the cars, and how the police cruiser had ****** car pushed up against a bulldozer so it couldn't move" Can you tell me what is so odd about the cruiser being nose to nose with Mauara's car? I could never understand that. Coming around that sharp curve the cruiser would have been heading toward the front end of Maura's car. Unless he went up the road and turned around to place himself behind her car it makes sense that he pulled up facing her(nose to nose) to protect her car and any passerby from running into her car.He did the smartest thing IMO.
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text> Can you tell me what is so odd about the cruiser being nose to nose with Mauara's car? I could never understand that. Coming around that sharp curve the cruiser would have been heading toward the front end of Maura's car. Unless he went up the road and turned around to place himself behind her car it makes sense that he pulled up facing her(nose to nose) to protect her car and any passerby from running into her car.He did the smartest thing IMO. I have commented about this before. It was dusk, night. I have done the same thing at car accidents with Fire apparatus and many times with my personal vehicle. One, to help protect the scene from other inattentive/drunk/just plain stupid drivers and second, to help illuminate the area I am working in. It is nothing short of retarded to imply some devious goings on about a nose to nose or nose to back use of an emergency vehicle. Of course, no one has said, why they think this is suspicious. To do so, would likely reveal how absurd the thought is. Bill
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FrmLE wrote: <quoted text> As I recall the report by the contractor RF seeing Maura was initially considered suspect by LE, however after it was investigated there were a couple things that made it appear very likely that the person he saw may have been Maura. No one knows for sure, but my understanding was that it was more likely than not that he saw Maura that night. That is all I can really offer on the subject of the sighting. I respect your input in this case. I have a tough time with his sighting. Didn't he live on the road where she crashed? Wouldn't he see the commotion and the searching just days after the crash. Wouldn't he hear the helicopter or wonder why people were searching in the woods? If he saw someone I think that it would have clicked sooner. That is just my personal opinion.
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just me
Buffalo, MN
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Ridiculous wrote: I have read alot in the last few weeks about this case. I would say however that I possess minimal knowledge.In keeping with my previous post about keeping it simple,and working with next to no knowledge,I'm constantly drawn back to fact that Maura was seeing two men. Engaged to one of them. This is such a classic situation that has ended violently thousands of times through out history. Am I correct in assuming that this has been thoroughly examined early on in this thread and I just can't find the pages? The track coach said that when Billy wanted to get together(fall of 2003), that Maura dropped him fast and without notice, wouldn't call or answer his calls. Her friends said that ultimately Maura loved Billy and was willing to move to Oklahoma. Yet Kathleen said there was trouble building in the relationship again, and that Maura probably wanted to get away to the white mountains to think about things. If the police even knew about the coach, I'm sure they checked him out. The FBI went to UMASS and Hanson. Maybe one of her friends who wanted her to see the coach instead of Billy fessed up to it, and gave his name? I don't think anyone has really examined the coach on this thread, but then I may have missed it.
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just me
Buffalo, MN
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Concerning other people talking with Maura as her car sat disabled. I've only heard of one myself, a lone female driver was said to have stopped and talked to Maura. Helena and I both saw this in one of the online reports of Maura missing, and it was quickly taken away. Some things were and continue to be "taken" offline. Makes one wonder why and how this happens with information. And it's not like this info went to archives because many people paid to read the stories and it had just vanished.
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Ridiculous
Manchester, NH
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just me wrote: <quoted text>The track coach said that when Billy wanted to get together(fall of 2003), that Maura dropped him fast and without notice, wouldn't call or answer his calls. Her friends said that ultimately Maura loved Billy and was willing to move to Oklahoma. Yet Kathleen said there was trouble building in the relationship again, and that Maura probably wanted to get away to the white mountains to think about things. If the police even knew about the coach, I'm sure they checked him out. The FBI went to UMASS and Hanson. Maybe one of her friends who wanted her to see the coach instead of Billy fessed up to it, and gave his name? I don't think anyone has really examined the coach on this thread, but then I may have missed it. Thanks just me. I guess my question would be; How long before she disappeared did she end things with her coach? Also, was she still actively on the track team. I have looked for these answers on this thread, but, have been unable to find anything . They may be here and I just missed them.
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just me
Buffalo, MN
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Ridiculous wrote: <quoted text> Thanks just me. I guess my question would be; How long before she disappeared did she end things with her coach? Also, was she still actively on the track team. I have looked for these answers on this thread, but, have been unable to find anything . They may be here and I just missed them. Hello and YVW. Late summer/early fall, Maura ended (and I do mean ended) things with the coach. Then Maura, Billy and Fred went to the white mountains to hike/camp that same fall. Same close time frame to ending it with the coach. No, Maura had quit track in 2002 I believe, for various reasons. Her injury, more devotion to studies, and so on.
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just me
Buffalo, MN
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I hope my recollection is good here. As usual, it's just me and what I recall.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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New Renner post & docs up... Quote: "At the time Maura went missing, she was on probation for this. If she had stayed out of trouble for three months, this conviction would have been erased. The accident the weekend before she went missing may have caused this charge to stay on her record, essentially ending her nursing prospects."
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hannah_b wrote: New Renner post & docs up... Quote: "At the time Maura went missing, she was on probation for this. If she had stayed out of trouble for three months, this conviction would have been erased. The accident the weekend before she went missing may have caused this charge to stay on her record, essentially ending her nursing prospects." Yep. No chance that she might be suicidal. No chance at all. All that bullshit that the family kept saying repeatedly through the years. All the people, particularly those disgusting ones, who repeatedly insisted how "someone" stole Maura. What a total load of unadorned bullshit. As many of us have said since day one. The biggest piece of information that was needed was why Maura was running from school and what else was she running from. That would tell us her state of mind. I wonder what people think now? Serial killer or suicidal? This car crash, straw that broke the camels back? Or someone who has all her shit together, just out to spend a few days away from school? Bill
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hannah_b
Sweden
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She admitted to having used the CC approx. 6 times, according to the police report. Not a one time incident. Her departure from Amherst and disappearance in NH took place exactly 3 months to the date from her police interview regarding the CC fraud.
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Simply Caustic
Homer Glen, IL
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Very interesting incident reports re: credit card fraud. It was a misdemeanor...although not ideal, hardly something one would flee over. I hate to mention Occam's but..... Doesn't it seem logical that, given the high probability that Maura was facing a DUI that fateful night, knowing that would necessarily preclude the court from dismissing these charges - Maura ran off to avoid the repercussions of the DUI/accident...and ran (somewhere) into the woods...where she (tragically, IMO) perished? I simply fail to grasp why this latest revelation (and it isn't much of a revelation at that, just offers the intricacies of the investigation) doesn't, in fact, support the theory I listed above. How does this tie into any type of a run-away scenario? C'mon. Who runs away to avoid a MISDEMEANOR? Sure, while drunk, she may have ran away in the IMMEDIATE to avoid the police - but really, to think that she is living it up in Canada, all to avoid the fallout from some two-bit theft charge, is illogical. Then again.... Illogical = wickedly popular on Topix.
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Handwritten note on the court doc says continued until 5/30/2004. What does this mean, that´s more than 3 months?
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Simply Caustic wrote: Very interesting incident reports re: credit card fraud. It was a misdemeanor...although not ideal, hardly something one would flee over. I hate to mention Occam's but..... Doesn't it seem logical that, given the high probability that Maura was facing a DUI that fateful night, knowing that would necessarily preclude the court from dismissing these charges - Maura ran off to avoid the repercussions of the DUI/accident...and ran (somewhere) into the woods...where she (tragically, IMO) perished? I simply fail to grasp why this latest revelation (and it isn't much of a revelation at that, just offers the intricacies of the investigation) doesn't, in fact, support the theory I listed above. How does this tie into any type of a run-away scenario? C'mon. Who runs away to avoid a MISDEMEANOR? Sure, while drunk, she may have ran away in the IMMEDIATE to avoid the police - but really, to think that she is living it up in Canada, all to avoid the fallout from some two-bit theft charge, is illogical. Then again.... Illogical = wickedly popular on Topix. According to UMass Nursing School guidelines (available online, google it), it would be enough to get kicked out of nursing school/never being able to become a RN.
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Simply Caustic
Homer Glen, IL
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12/16/03 the disposition of the case was that she was the responsible party. That means, there was a hearing on 12/16/03 and Maura was present, at which time the sentencing handed down was 'continued three months and dismissed if no trouble.' It would appear that, three months from the date of that disposition, 12/16 - thus, approx. 3/16/04, Maura was due for a status hearing. She was missing by that time. It was then continued until May 30th, 2004. It appears, from that point on, that no further hearing were held.
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Simply Caustic
Homer Glen, IL
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hannah_b wrote: <quoted text> According to UMass Nursing School guidelines (available online, google it), it would be enough to get kicked out of nursing school/never being able to become a RN. A conviction, yes. But the charges were going to be dismissed (pending no further arrests). She could then have her arrest record sealed and it would not be eligible to hold against her. It would be as if it never happened. Although I agree it COULD have potentially gotten her kicked out of nursing school - the school could not, and would not, take action until the case had a resolution (conviction, dismissal, etc.) She would not have been convicted of this misdemeanor UNLESS she was facing another arrest...which I admit that the DUI @ the accident scene (potentially) could have been. That being said, I think, as Bill said - this was the straw that broke the camel's back. It wasn't about nursing school, or about her family, or about her self-esteem, or the drinking problem, or the guy problems - it was the sum of all these issues that drove her off into the woods that night. I think to suggest that this makes a case for runaway (not assigning that view to you, Hannah, just jumping off your post)- is to ignore the facts. If anything, this solidifies the likelihood that she WAS, perhaps, suicidal - at worst. And at best? She was deeply wounded at this point in her life. And all these things came together at precisely the wrong time.
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hannah_b wrote: She admitted to having used the CC approx. 6 times, according to the police report. Not a one time incident. Her departure from Amherst and disappearance in NH took place exactly 3 months to the date from her police interview regarding the CC fraud. And previous accusations that seem to have teeth at West Point also. A melt down by this young lady would not be something that anyone should have been surprised about. But please, let some keep talking about serial killers, and locals including the police, killing and kidnapping Maura. There really isn't a juicy story if she just committed suicide. Certain people here need, must have, the conspiracy. No story without the conspiracy. They need corrupt cops, deviant neighbors, serial killers, etc. No fun without all that. Bill
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Simply Caustic wrote: <quoted text> A conviction, yes. But the charges were going to be dismissed (pending no further arrests). She could then have her arrest record sealed and it would not be eligible to hold against her. It would be as if it never happened. Although I agree it COULD have potentially gotten her kicked out of nursing school - the school could not, and would not, take action until the case had a resolution (conviction, dismissal, etc.) She would not have been convicted of this misdemeanor UNLESS she was facing another arrest...which I admit that the DUI @ the accident scene (potentially) could have been. That being said, I think, as Bill said - this was the straw that broke the camel's back. It wasn't about nursing school, or about her family, or about her self-esteem, or the drinking problem, or the guy problems - it was the sum of all these issues that drove her off into the woods that night. I think to suggest that this makes a case for runaway (not assigning that view to you, Hannah, just jumping off your post)- is to ignore the facts. If anything, this solidifies the likelihood that she WAS, perhaps, suicidal - at worst. And at best? She was deeply wounded at this point in her life. And all these things came together at precisely the wrong time. No offense, but you´re wrong. It has to do with morals, not convictions. Please see the UMass Scool of Nursing Undergraduate Handbook.
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