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Yes, off topic....but, just got thinking about FBI,
made me think of Mary Pat O'Hagan, Sheffield, VT.
Who and why would anyone murder a 78 yo woman.
Makes me mad and sad.

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Israel Keyes murdered 1 person.Israel Keyes traveled alot.Is there some evidence somewhere that suggests he may be a possible serial killer?I see no explanation of why he's suspected.
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mcsmom wrote:
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Just interesting to see where he might have gotten his name.
I like history.
Hi mcsmom.
I enjoy hx too. In my opinion....at least I wonder about the man (I. Keyes) who is being held, incarcerated in Anchorage. Wonder if that is REALLY his name. I have my doubts.
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Hi mcsmom.
I enjoy hx too. In my opinion....at least I wonder about the man (I. Keyes) who is being held, incarcerated in Anchorage. Wonder if that is REALLY his name. I have my doubts.
yes, I agree. Izzy Reyes and Israel Reyes are two alias that appear to have been used by him.

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whiston wrote:
hi all,class of 2004 graduated 5 23 04.One of Mauras' cases was continued until 5 30 04.Also Mr.Renners site mentions cc fraud from other locations in town ,just wondering what was bought if not food and for whom.i am thinking Mr.Murray got the saturn in october 2003 can anyone confirm this.Also IF N.H LE called umass feb 09 p.m. and gave them a student number from the sticker on the saturn could they have known about Mauras'problems at umass before M.rMurray arrived. take care philip
Was it required that each nursing student have their own vehicle? This may be a silly question. But the Saturn didn't run well. At some point it was towed back to UMASS,(or so they say).....
If it was bought or brought back to UMASS in October of 03, maybe it served a purpose?
During one of the clinicals, Maura rode along with a fellow student. There was bad weather,(Lots of snow?), and Maura had to borrow some sort of outerwear from that student. This was the "scrubs" people keep referring to, right? They stayed overnight too, as I recall. I wonder if it was actually a clinical now. That student was one of the last people Maura called. Might matter, might not, just thinking here.

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Orko Kringer wrote:
how can you take the squaw comment out of context?
Squaw-walk only means one thing.
I agree and Sharon was quick to relay being there and hearing Fred say all that. Fred had to call ahead. It was urgent. He needed to tell police something. Something very important about his daughter.

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Orko Kringer wrote:
Once again, I post another excerpt from an article done.
This is referencing the very first few days after maura went missing when the family and police had converged upon the area maura went missing and were searching for answers.
After being briefed by police, the very first thing Fred thought of was not boogey man and it was not runaway it was suicide as evidenced by what Maura's boyfriend's mom notes below. She was there for the searches as well.
When police assembled the Murray and Rausch families to brief them on the investigation, Maura's father "moaned and rubbed his head and said,Oh, no,' " according to Sharon Rausch, the mother of Billy Rausch, Maura's then-boyfriend.
"I remember Fred said,I always have told the kids when I got old and worthless I was going to climb my favorite mountain with a bottle of Jack Daniels and drink myself to death.' That was emotional. He thought what if there was something he didn't know about," Rausch said.
She said authorities thought the alcohol and Tylenol PM Maura brought may have been indications she was going to kill herself. "That's what people do, they drink, take a bunch of pills and die peacefully," she said.
I jumped the gun I see, lol. I haven't been reading for a few days so I'm just now catching up. Thank you for posting this. Thanks,~because it's a good reminder as to Fred's frame of mind. Like he says, they were very close and if Maura was at the boiling point, he might know or sense it.

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About the tylenol PM. Who says she had just purchased it though? Was it still new and sealed, or......10 missing?
Not that it really matters where it was, but there was no receipt, unless it was with the groceries that were said to be in the car. Then you'd imagine police would know where she stopped for the food, ie. They said something like " she had enough food in the car to suggest a short getaway" Police did not say snacks, they said food. Who wants to eat food, get drunk and take pills? Nobody smart enough to know the food would hamper the process of bumping yourself off. Might not work and actually make you vomit. I don't know.
I mean, I just don't know that I buy into the mixing of it with alcohol. She needed it to sleep sometimes because of the ham string injury. I guess at some point she could have decided it was one way to get sleepy. But Maura was too smart to take a pill like that just to go to sleep. Tylenol as we all know is not good for you and should be taken wisely.

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mcsmom wrote:
Interesting FB page "Have you ever met Israel Keyes"? Shows map and timelines, which include Maura's location. They are looking for public assistance.
Apparently Keyes was associated with the Makah Tribe in WA. Their tribal emblem sort of looks like the window decal seen on the vehicle involved in the Cutshall/Allen murders in Renner, CA.
This is good to know and very interesting. So is the post right after yours Dated August 4th, 2012.

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Orko Kringer wrote:
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yes a receipt was found in the car.
that is where the whole debacle with James Renner came in when he noted that authorities had accounted for all of the alcohol maura had.(They did not physically gather up the alcohol, they accounted for it meaning they took notes on what was found at the car and what was found on the receipt that was in the car). Technically, the alcohol was all accounted for, not physically such.
I've never read or heard that anything but alcohol was on the receipt.

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Israel Keyes murdered 1 person.Israel Keyes traveled alot.Is there some evidence somewhere that suggests he may be a possible serial killer?I see no explanation of why he's suspected.
IK also told police about the two missing people from Vermont. Unless he was just fooling around, why would he claim to know where police could find their bodies? There was a witness the day after the couple went missing. Someone descibed the man, a sketch was made of the suspect, and it looks like IK.
There could be something going on....I thought so the minute I found the article.

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Just me--paris wrote:
About the tylenol PM. Who says she had just purchased it though? Was it still new and sealed, or......10 missing?
Not that it really matters where it was, but there was no receipt, unless it was with the groceries that were said to be in the car. Then you'd imagine police would know where she stopped for the food, ie. They said something like " she had enough food in the car to suggest a short getaway" Police did not say snacks, they said food. Who wants to eat food, get drunk and take pills? Nobody smart enough to know the food would hamper the process of bumping yourself off. Might not work and actually make you vomit. I don't know.
I mean, I just don't know that I buy into the mixing of it with alcohol. She needed it to sleep sometimes because of the ham string injury. I guess at some point she could have decided it was one way to get sleepy. But Maura was too smart to take a pill like that just to go to sleep. Tylenol as we all know is not good for you and should be taken wisely.
If MM was going to kill herself, I'm sure she had access to far more powerful drugs than Tylenol PM. If she had no qualms about using another person's credit card multiple times, I'm sure she would have had no problem stealing narcotics. I just don't see suicide in her actions.
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New chief in Franconia and guess who ?

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/83b3bc1...

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JWB wrote:
Thanks Amy, It certaintly will be interesting to follow this case to see if anything else comes out of it pertaining to other missing people.
There's a post from August 2 that says "Here is an alternate route to the same area, notice, the Currier's and the Cess girl disappear about one month apart, same thing in the Murry girl and Brianna.... I find that interesting, Coming and going maybe? If he was in the area at both times." This posting has a map from one of Keyes properties in Constable NY to a place in Bangor Maine (marked as a known place Keyes goes). There's nothing saying he definitely traveled this route or that he traveled this route during the time Maura disappeared, at least not that I can find.

It looks like they are really grasping at straws here in trying to connect Maura and Brianna just by saying he may have traveled these routes at some point. But I'm glad that they're investigating everything and trying to rule out as much as possible. You just never know.

It's too bad you can't see the whole facebook page, JWB. They have found his military records and have posted some other interesting info that (as far as I can tell) has nothing to do with Maura. But it will be interesting to follow this and see what other missing or murder cases this guy might be involved in.

Like mcsmom, I am also curious whether this is his given name or if he changed it at some point. Military records wouldn't reflect an alias, I don't think, unless he legally changed his name (which is not hard to do).
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amy researches wrote:
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There's a post from August 2 that says "Here is an alternate route to the same area, notice, the Currier's and the Cess girl disappear about one month apart, same thing in the Murry girl and Brianna.... I find that interesting, Coming and going maybe? If he was in the area at both times." This posting has a map from one of Keyes properties in Constable NY to a place in Bangor Maine (marked as a known place Keyes goes). There's nothing saying he definitely traveled this route or that he traveled this route during the time Maura disappeared, at least not that I can find.
It looks like they are really grasping at straws here in trying to connect Maura and Brianna just by saying he may have traveled these routes at some point. But I'm glad that they're investigating everything and trying to rule out as much as possible. You just never know.
It's too bad you can't see the whole facebook page, JWB. They have found his military records and have posted some other interesting info that (as far as I can tell) has nothing to do with Maura. But it will be interesting to follow this and see what other missing or murder cases this guy might be involved in.
Like mcsmom, I am also curious whether this is his given name or if he changed it at some point. Military records wouldn't reflect an alias, I don't think, unless he legally changed his name (which is not hard to do).
JWB click on the FB page website for photos and the timeline becomes available. It looks like an alias may have been Izzy Reyes or Israel Reyes.

Also, Keyes Construction is the name of his construction company.

Interesting in that the Makah tribe evidently had a grant which involved wood stove change outs. Hired construction people for these jobs. May have had some link to Keene, NH. Or perhaps IMO, may have had a link to VT wood stove companies.

Amy, keep at it!
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There is a Keyes Construction in Salem, NH
Bumping for Maura

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aftermath wrote:
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Hi mcsmom.
I enjoy hx too. In my opinion....at least I wonder about the man (I. Keyes) who is being held, incarcerated in Anchorage. Wonder if that is REALLY his name. I have my doubts.
aftermath,
Are you still pursuing your previous theories regarding a possible local angle/perp as regards Maura´s disappearance?
IIRC your were espousing a theory involving Fairlee, VT, in some way or other.
Do you still stand by your earlier posts here on Topix regarding this?
Thanks.
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IMO I think the Pamela Webb case could be added as a possibility. That was 1989.

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mcsmom wrote:
There is a Keyes Construction in Salem, NH
There's one in Ohio also. I didn't find any relation to his company other than the common name. Did you? He got his license for his Anchorage business in 2007:
http://commerce.alaska.gov/occ/occSearch/Deta...
I didn't find any other licenses for him, but they may be out there.

Also, this is kind of off topic, but I had also been curious who exactly is running the facebook page and making the maps. I think I found the answer. According to watertowndailytimes.com , the facebook page is administered by Mr. Koenig:

"A Facebook page,“Have You Ever Met Israel Keyes? Possible Serial Killer,” is tracking the investigation. The page administrators include Ms. Koenig’s father, James Koenig of Anchorage, and Peggy Giles, of Valdez, Alaska."
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20...

It's heartwarming that her father is able to try to help others this way after everything his family has been through.

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