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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins her father stated that he gave her the rag. So in order for someone to place that rag up the muffler they would need to get into her trunk and use that rag and jam it up the muffler. If perp wanted to disable a car I believe that they would have brought their own rag, or better yet used an easier means to disable a car.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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You really should read what you write before you post it. No, the fact of the matter is that practically, not theoretically, but practically, you cannot disable a modern high compression engine in this fashion.
And, the rag is another red herring like the trailer hitch. But, as I have stated before. You are allowed to waste your time any way you see fit. Enjoy.
Bill

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Orko Kringer wrote:

The fact that the condo owners were never notified by police proves that police did not deem it a neccessary step. They likely uncovered things on maura's computer (that have never been publically released) to lead them to other conclusions that would make contacting the condo owners irrelevant.
The fact there has been no body recovery to date is likely the only reason they (police) have not come forward to the public with what they believe they know about maura. Also the same reason, they won't let fred in on anything, because he would turn it against them and threaten a law suit.
So instead, they (police) hide behind the fictitious premise that they are investigating foul play involving maura and releasing info might damage their investigation.

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Bobjenkins-og wrote:

Hey wth- who exactly said that the rag was hanging out the end of the muffler? As far as I know everyone who was on scene and actually saw the car in its original condition describe the rag as being stuffed way up there.
Are you en expert on automobiles? Are you a mechanic as well as an engineer/sar expert?
It's interesting that you, an anonymous Internet poster, say its impossible for a rag to stall a car; and you expect what your saying to be taken as fact.
But then we have a couple really experienced mechanics who have spoken on record about the matter who directly contradict what you say..why should we believe what your saying? I'm sorry but I'm gonna believe an expert thats speaking on record over some random Internet poster who could be anyone.
The fact of the matter is that a rag could theoretically be used to disable an engine, that doesn't necessarily mean it was done in this case but the fact that she is missing and a rag was found in her muffler warrants a closer look, do you not agree with that statement?

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just me wrote:

<quoted text>I got the impression the state was trying to keep ALL cases like this from being handed over to the general public. I'm not downplaying anything here, but really, think of the implications if Fred would have won his case? That would pave the way for others to do the same thing. My impression is that if it goes from public records to a police investigation, it has to be protected. You could have a point, that Fred could twist things around, find fault and sue. He did keep saying he wanted to know "what did your guys do" "they were my daughters last hope",(to pull her bacon out of the fire) and "all they had to do was go down the road and grab her".....he said words to this effect
Could the W-mans have been wrong to say they saw "Maura" just two minutes before police came? And did someone say they saw her walking?

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amy researches wrote:

Hi Jenkins, thank you for your reply.
I think the difference (why they spent so much time) in this case might be that the driver was missing, there was red liquid splattered on the inside of the car, alcohol poured out behind the car, and a crack in the windshield. No way to know how drunk she was or if she was injured (even though SBD saw no blood, doesn't mean she wasn't injured). A car from out of town, and a young driver. If someone like that wanders off, or flees the scene, I can see there being concern to try to make sure she hasn't wandered into the woods with a concussion or falling down drunk etc. In the logs someone asks if she had been found or if she arrived at Cottage hospital. I think they were maybe concerned with her safety and not about someone abducting her.
However, it makes sense to preserve any evidence just in case.
I don't think they took the red trucks very seriously. Regarding the truck that RO saw, I have posted this before but it was months ago:
"Sgt. Beausoleil said another tip, from a woman who was walking on Route 112 in Bath, N.H., on Feb. 9, also could not help investigators develop a criminal case.
The woman reported a suspicious man in a red pickup truck with Massachusetts plates eyeing her near the Stage Stop general store in Bath at about 7 that night.
According to the woman, the man left when she went into the store and headed east toward the accident scene. Ten minutes later, the woman saw Haverhill police go by in the same direction, responding to the accident.
She didn't have a license plate number, so that doesn't give us anything,'' Beausoleil said. We don't feel confident it's connected.''
Copyright 2004 The Patriot Ledger
Transmitted Wednesday, March 03, 2004

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amy researches wrote:

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Hi dll. Did you see that Renner interviewed him? http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-a...
My take on his statement based on the interview was that he was talking not just about the rag but how he believed the crash occurred. But maybe there were other things he noticed that Renner is saving for his book.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>W-mans did not say they saw Maura. They only stated what they had witnessed on that night. No one said they saw Maura walking that night. There were witnesses that had seen someone walking that night. Unknown if it was male or female or if it had anything to do with Maura.

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whiston wrote:

Hi all,When Sue Champy drove by the saturn it was open.There was activity seen at the trunk of the car.Why assume the rag was in the trunk and not the passenger compartment.We dont know if the tailpipe had more than one rag stuffed in it and Mr Lavoie found one wy down in th tail pipe.Does a nightstick fit in a saturn tailpipe.Citigirl did you post about 3 months ago that MrAtwood told you he saw JKM arrive before C.S.IF CS was parked with his blues on I would say he was not waiting for the saturn driver to return.Mr Atwwod reportedly said that the radiator was damaged.I assume the cooling fan was also damaged and if the car was started it would make a hell of a noise including a check engine light.IF I towed a car with a bashed in radiator i would tell the owner not to start it unless they just went on the lot and helped themselves.Why would MrMurray even care if the saturn started and then give the car up.Something is really wrong with the rag or rags in the tailpipe story and I am thinking that Maura and MrMurray had been checked out before Mr Murray showed up with his saturn key,take care phiip

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just me wrote:

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Hi citigirl. The w-mans did say that they had just seen Maura at her car 1-2 minutes before police came. I know you know that.
CS went to their home first and asked where the girl was.... to which Faith was pretty suprized because she had just seen (put), Maura at the car 1-2 minutes prior to CS pulling up.
Thanks for the reminder about the people on foot. Makes me think police might have thought to go in the direction that they were seen.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Amy alcohol poured out behind the car is new news to me. Where are you getting your info from? SBD was the only one who had talked to the female in the saturn and he only said she was shooken up."Amy No way to know how drunk she was or if she was injured" There are to many unknowns about this case but you are stating there is no way to know how drunk she was. So what you are stating is that you knew Mauras condition the night of the accident when she disappeared.Can you back up your statements you have just made with a witness or witnesses saying that Maura was drinking?

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dll wrote:

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No Amy I hadnt seen it, only heard the local rumors. I'm always skeptical of rumors. They're a bit like the childhood game "I've got a secret". By the time it reaches the end of the line the story is completely different. That's why it was ineresting for me to actually see the letter. I suspect your right & its possible Renner gleaned more from the interview. I've always wondered why local reporters never asked Fred point blank about the rag. Would have been nice to have heard his explaination first hand. Appreciate the link! Thnx

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dll wrote:

I realize newbies arent exactly welcome here & I apologize if I bring up something that has been previously discussed. But from what I've read it's a recurring theme. Mind explaining which parts you find clueless, nuts, funny or disagree with?

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amy researches wrote:

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Hi citigirl. Nice to see you. No, I am not stating that I know what Maura's condition was that night. But it is my opinion based on the circumstantial evidence that she had been drinking:
Around 5:00, Scarinza talks about the box of wine found in the car, pink liquid poured into the snow, and a coke bottle that smelled like there had been an alcoholic beverage in that bottle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
"The report discusses the liquid, with Smith noting, "When the vehicle was towed from the scene ... I recovered a Coke bottle that contained a red liquid with a strong alcoholic odor.""
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...
“reddish spots resembling wine were also found on the road, according to investigator John Healy.”
http://www.whitmanhansonexpress.com/extras/sp...
I can't think of any reason to pour out the liquid except if you're trying to get rid of evidence that you were drinking while driving.
I don't want to post the name of the person who told me the pink liquid/alcohol was spilled behind the car. I thought it was common knowledge, but perhaps I misunderstood or the person who told me this was mistaken. The above sources say the liquid was found in the snow and the road but don't specify where. If my info is incorrect, then I apologize.
My point in the prior post was that during the hasty search that night performed by the officer and bus driver, it is theoretically possible that their motivation for searching for her was not based on evidence of foul play (as another poster suggested) but rather out of concern for her safety since she was possibly intoxicated or injured. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.