Maura Murray

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>No Just me the W-mans did not say they saw Maura. What they did say is that they did see a vehicle in the ditch unknown if there was PI but can see a man in the vehicle smoking a cigarrete. Yes CS did go to there home and ask them where the girl was. I dont recall the exact wording. The W-mans dont know Maura so how would they know who was driving the car?

Oh come on, it was supposed that the"girl" was Maura. I take it you might not think Maura was even there, or am I wrong?

Just me--paris wrote:

<quoted text>Oh come on, it was supposed that the"girl" was Maura. I take it you might not think Maura was even there, or am I wrong?

Just me you are taking it all wrong I have never stated Maura was not there. I honestly dont know because I was not there on that night. My sister did have a conversation with FW concerning that night. Maybe FW told you differently. Could you please tell us your conversation that you personally had with the Ws concerning this night? Thank you.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>I honestly cannot say whether or whether or not Maura was drinking on that night. In CS report it does not even state that a red liquid was found behind the car. I have spoken to quite a few people that have responded to the scene and not one has ever mentioned red liquid behind the vehicle. Could it be they are all lying? I dont think so.Have you done your investigation by actually traveling up to NH and interviewing people or are you just reading a forum and talking with others? Did you talk to responders that arrived on the scene that night? Just because another poster suggests they searched for her because she was possibilly intoxicated does not mean it is fact. You are merely going on an opinion of another poster unless they were actively involved in the search for Maura.

Let's see,a red liquid was seen splashed inside the car and a bottle with red liquid in it that had a smell of alcohol was found outside the car. What do you think that might have been citigirl?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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This has been investigated by major crimes since the beginning, they only investigate murders and other violent crimes.
Now the case is being handled by the ccu, the ccu specifically states that they only handle murders and missin persons cases where foul play is believed to be involved. The ccu has extremely limited resources, Maura would not be on this list if they did not believe she was murdered

Yawn... Again, for the eleventyhundredth time, this is not true. You continue to amke statements that are simply false. And, you base many 'theories' on these completely false misconceptions.

None of what you said above is true. It was NOT handled by major crimes from the beginning. It was handled by Troop F.

And your statement about CCU is completely untrue as well.

I will give you one thing, you are consistent. Consistently WRONG, but consistent nontheless.

whiston wrote:

citigirl.'sbd was the only one who spoke to the female in the saturn'.IF the driver of the saturn was abducted i would say maybe there was some conversation with someone else.What happened to Claude Moulton ,no I am serious I only know what was 'deemed' o.k. to know on a prior forum.take care phlip.

Just because something was deemed to be okay on another forum does not mean its okay or I agree with it. I personally think that no names should be thrown out there.

GrampaMo wrote:

<quoted text>Let's see,a red liquid was seen splashed inside the car and a bottle with red liquid in it that had a smell of alcohol was found outside the car. What do you think that might have been citigirl?

Ow-ow. I bet I know. It was mouthwash for when she met up with her other boyfriend who was waiting down the street to pick her up from her crashed car. So her breath would have that minty freshness.

Bill

<snip>Rumors flew that she wanted to disappear<snip>.

I've never seen this comment before. It comes right out of the link I provided.

Police Secure Murray Items For Evidence
Lieutenant Says Major Crimes Involved Since Beginning
BY GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
He said the Major Crimes Unit, and specifically, Sgt. Charles West, has been involved in the Murray disappearance since three days after she disappeared.

this won't change anything really

but I believe it has been confirmed that the coke bottle (that had a smell of alcohol) was found after the car had been towed from the scene.

The responding officer (CS) arrived on the scene of the accident at 7:46 p.m. and was the last one to leave the scene of the accident (at least on record) at 9:26 p.m., which is a good 35 minutes plus longer than when the fire department left the scene and a good hour and 20 minutes after EMS left the scene.

Obviously, CS did some sort of investigation even after maura's car was gone. From all accounts, he visited the houses in the immediate area (FW, JM and the school bus drivers) and did do some form of a search.

But the accident scene wasn't roped off and no special unit was called in to investigate a potential crime.

this was a possible DUI flee case at the beginning and nothing more.

IMO, the responding officer quickly established that it was a young female behind the wheel of the car (after talking to SBD) and likely came to the conclusion that she was going to show up eventually, she wouldn't stay hiding in that location and in those weather elements overnight all alone and by herself.

Orko Kringer wrote:

sort of off current topic.
But I have been wondering amongst myself for quite some time.
How come it took (all these years later) James Renner coming along for anyone to finally hear on the record from maura's security desk dorm job supervisor?
She seems like an obvious person to interview from the start because she would've had some valuable insight into maura's mind-set during that strange five-day stretch that the whole maura murray case has developed from.
She is not related to maura, so she is not going to spin maura in a certain light like family and friends will.
She would and could still very likely be able to clear up a ton of the information that has been speculated about ad naseum on the various boards and even in the news reports.
Just another oddity in a very odd case.

Not that it realllllly matters, but Renner's words from the supervisor was not news to some. You see, why get accused of
"windmilling."

There are some of us who periodically check in and read but choose not to comment - sometimes, that is. Her supervisor was kind to come and comment on the forums back in, oh, I dunno, was it 2007 or 2008? Maybe 2006.......

And, again, not that it really matters...but I'd like to elaborate on what I said earlier. There are many times when information could be clarified or expanded or expounded upon by some of those that have been around for awhile. We remain, and check in, time to time to see what's new. What's up, ya know?

Nothing changes. Same questions are asked. But we chose not to respond because then an entirely new direction takes off and accusations are thrown around. Have you noticed what happens to Citigirl when she takes the time to stop and respond on here?

Orko Kringer wrote:

this won't change anything really
but I believe it has been confirmed that the coke bottle (that had a smell of alcohol) was found after the car had been towed from the scene.
The responding officer (CS) arrived on the scene of the accident at 7:46 p.m. and was the last one to leave the scene of the accident (at least on record) at 9:26 p.m., which is a good 35 minutes plus longer than when the fire department left the scene and a good hour and 20 minutes after EMS left the scene.
Obviously, CS did some sort of investigation even after maura's car was gone. From all accounts, he visited the houses in the immediate area (FW, JM and the school bus drivers) and did do some form of a search.
But the accident scene wasn't roped off and no special unit was called in to investigate a potential crime.
this was a possible DUI flee case at the beginning and nothing more.
IMO, the responding officer quickly established that it was a young female behind the wheel of the car (after talking to SBD) and likely came to the conclusion that she was going to show up eventually, she wouldn't stay hiding in that location and in those weather elements overnight all alone and by herself.

Very good assessment, I completely agree.

Splitting hairs wrote:

Police Secure Murray Items For Evidence
Lieutenant Says Major Crimes Involved Since Beginning
BY GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
He said the Major Crimes Unit, and specifically, Sgt. Charles West, has been involved in the Murray disappearance since three days after she disappeared.

FrmLE, what say you in response to this?

Splitting hairs wrote:

Police Secure Murray Items For Evidence
Lieutenant Says Major Crimes Involved Since Beginning
BY GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
He said the Major Crimes Unit, and specifically, Sgt. Charles West, has been involved in the Murray disappearance since three days after she disappeared.

Please go back a page or two to Jenkins' post #22770 posted yesterday, and his posts following. He is theorizing that LE thought it was a case of foul play from the instant that LE arrived at the scene of the accident. He posts many theories why this is so.

Your post above says clearly that Major Crimes Unit did not become involved until 3 days AFTER Maura disappeared. That does not fit with Jenkins' theories that LE was involved immediately upon their initial involvement, and his statement that "This has been investigated by major crimes since the beginning," therefore, IS NOT TRUE.

Lady Gray wrote:

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FrmLE, what say you in response to this?

Actually, upon further thought, it doesn't matter - to me - what you have to say in response to this. I'm not in a sparring kind of mood.

I'm doing what WTH - hey WTH!- says some of us are guilty of....checking in and quickly checking out. But ya see, in my heart of hearts, I have faith that one day there will be a resolution and am leaving up to the professionals.

Lady Gray wrote:

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Not that it realllllly matters, but Renner's words from the supervisor was not news to some. You see, why get accused of
"windmilling."
There are some of us who periodically check in and read but choose not to comment - sometimes, that is. Her supervisor was kind to come and comment on the forums back in, oh, I dunno, was it 2007 or 2008? Maybe 2006.......

I am familiar with the supervisor coming on the forums a few years ago. At the time she gave conflicting info. In one instance she said her and maura were extremely close then in other incidents she notes that she knew maura from being her supervisor only.

My point is, the supervisor could be a very valuable source to much of what has been debated about this case (she could provide factual info about the specific job she was a supervisor for (like could maura have feasibly left her security desk for 30 minutes and be the one who hit petrit vasi)?

She could clear that kind of info up really quick. Plus the time she spent with maura when she found maura in a zombie-like state needs to be explained much better than what she did on some board and from her interview with james renner.

It's a shame that all those detailed stories done on the maura murray case (some that even won awards) and it took a non-reporter (james Renner) to actually come through with a legit interview with a key person in the maura murray case.

Lady Gray wrote:

And, again, not that it really matters...but I'd like to elaborate on what I said earlier. There are many times when information could be clarified or expanded or expounded upon by some of those that have been around for awhile. We remain, and check in, time to time to see what's new. What's up, ya know?
Nothing changes. Same questions are asked. But we chose not to respond because then an entirely new direction takes off and accusations are thrown around. Have you noticed what happens to Citigirl when she takes the time to stop and respond on here?

Hi Lady Gray. I think it's very helpful when people can clarify information or offer a different point of view. I have learned a lot that way, even from people I disagree with, and I am grateful for the people who have taken time to answer my questions or correct an error I have made. I hope I didn't come off as being rude to Citigirl, as that was not my intention.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Just me you are taking it all wrong I have never stated Maura was not there. I honestly dont know because I was not there on that night. My sister did have a conversation with FW concerning that night. Maybe FW told you differently. Could you please tell us your conversation that you personally had with the Ws concerning this night? Thank you.

You seem to be itching for a fight citigirl. You surely know I have NOT spoken to anyone in NH, let alone FW. It's what she said. I also think I do take you wrong at times because you cound evasive and that frustrates me. You of all people would have more firm answers i would hope.

Splitting hairs wrote:

Police Secure Murray Items For Evidence
Lieutenant Says Major Crimes Involved Since Beginning
BY GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
He said the Major Crimes Unit, and specifically, Sgt. Charles West, has been involved in the Murray disappearance since three days after she disappeared.

Blah blah blah, do you believe everything you read or hear? Seriously, there is more to knowing something than just googling news articles and copy pasting snippets.

Major crimes being "Involved" is not the same thing as being a Major Crimes case. Chuck West lived in the area at the time, he often worked out of Troop F as did several other Major Crimes Detectives. Sitting downstairs at Troop F while they work a case does not make it a Major Crimes case.

But hey, really believe what you wish regardless of whether it is true or not. That's the spirit of Topix anyway, right?

Lady Gray wrote:

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FrmLE, what say you in response to this?

I say that this is absolutely, unequivocally, positively UNTRUE. I am saying this because, I know it for a fact. I know who was working the case, I know where they were working it, I know how they worked it, at the time and for many years afterwards.

Not sure I can be any more clear than that?