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coeur de lion wrote:
Okay Mr. shoes on backwards you fast no slow pitch for you. Why Tammy change her name?
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That is the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. Thanks guy!
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maybe this is too out there...(i've had 2 glasses of wine)... but going on the train of thought that the saturn might have been 'laying low', could it have been parked temporarily at the hotel/motel Fred was staying at ? that might be a far fetched - but plausible - explanation of why she would have driven his car back there (though still weird at 3 or 4am), maybe they were going to drive the saturn and Fred's car in the morning straight to the dealership?
I would say this is possible. But the hotel fred was staying at wasn't too far away from the campus or the hit and run scene.

It would be really neat for fred to explain why his daughter was coming to see him at 3:30 a.m. in the morning after having been drinking that night.

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Okay, fast guy why Tammy change her name?
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Maruchan wrote:
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You said: "as long as you don't park overnight." So that means that, if she did park close to Melville, she would have had to move her car to her permitted lot at the end of her shift. Melville, where she worked, and Kennedy, where she lived, are very close to each other, a two-minute walk. A quick look online shows that her shift ended at 2:00 a.m. She didn't know that she would be leaving early that shift, so she knew that she had to move her car after her shift ended. That means she would have had to walk out of Melville to her car, drive to Lots 11 or 22 to leave her car overnight and then walk all the way back essentially to where she started to get home, about a mile roundtrip, in the middle of the night. She can't have done that as her supervisor walked her back to her dorm - unless she then left her dorm, walked back to the parking lot, drove her car to Lots 11 or 22, etc. It makes no sense.
Hey that's a really good point
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coeur de lion wrote:
Okay, fast guy why Tammy change her name?
Sorry Dave, I don't know who tammy is.
Jenkins

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Aug 22, 2012
 
I'm not seeing it currently on the menu but I believe you used to be able to get raos' coffee delivered through delivery express, which is a delivery company that delivers the food of several different restaurants in Amherst

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Okay you don't know who Tammy is?

You must be an investigator assigned to the maura murray case, I can tell by how quick you are to catch on to things.
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Bill you honestly think a tree could have caused that damage?
Can you explain how it is at all possible for a vertical tree to cause a rather deep dent in the hood above the bumper but no damage to the bumper? That seems physically impossible.
To get any sort of sense of the damage you needs to look at te original pictures because the car has been damaged fairly extensively while being held as evidence at the sp barracks.

The original picturs show basically no damage at all to the bumper and certainly none directly below the dent in the hood, that is completely inconsistent with damage caused by a vertical object such as a tree
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Orko Kringer wrote:
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you must be an investigator assigned to the maura murray case, I can tell by how quick you are to catch on to things.


That's hilarious orko, so true..lol

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Maruchan wrote:
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You said: "as long as you don't park overnight." So that means that, if she did park close to Melville, she would have had to move her car to her permitted lot at the end of her shift. Melville, where she worked, and Kennedy, where she lived, are very close to each other, a two-minute walk. A quick look online shows that her shift ended at 2:00 a.m. She didn't know that she would be leaving early that shift, so she knew that she had to move her car after her shift ended. That means she would have had to walk out of Melville to her car, drive to Lots 11 or 22 to leave her car overnight and then walk all the way back essentially to where she started to get home, about a mile roundtrip, in the middle of the night. She can't have done that as her supervisor walked her back to her dorm - unless she then left her dorm, walked back to the parking lot, drove her car to Lots 11 or 22, etc. It makes no sense.
Maruchan

And again, nothing is concrete about maura's involvement in a hit and run, however, I would think that if she was involved, she would take the time to park her car somewhere where it wouldn't draw a lot of attention before she returned to her security desk.

Maybe it was just a quick fix and as soon as she was relived of her duty and she ditched the supervisor, she could do more cleanup (if she was involved).

Important facts are that maura LIED to her supervisor when the supervisor offered to walk maura up to her room. Maura ensured the supervisor that her roommate (which she didn't have one) would be there to take care of her. Maura was clearly trying to ditch her supervisor for some reason.

Another fact is maura ordered pizza right before 4 a.m. in the morning.

Kind of an odd time to order. Sounds like she was busy doing something after being relieved from her shift. Someone as upset as she was, you would think they would go back to their dorm and go to bed.
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Hi all,i believe Mr Guy said he thought the saturn went through the snowbank on the Westmans side of the road .Ice and snow can be any texture and lets suppose the driver of the saturn had snow come up onto the windshield over the hood and was blinded,was off the road and had airbags deploy in the space of a few seconds.A major panic for anyone. Mr Atwood, I believe told cititgirl or Mauras'family that JKM was the first person he saw arrive at the saturn. So where was sgt Smith.take care philip

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Jenkins wrote:
Bill you honestly think a tree could have caused that damage?
Can you explain how it is at all possible for a vertical tree to cause a rather deep dent in the hood above the bumper but no damage to the bumper? That seems physically impossible.
To get any sort of sense of the damage you needs to look at te original pictures because the car has been damaged fairly extensively while being held as evidence at the sp barracks.
The original picturs show basically no damage at all to the bumper and certainly none directly below the dent in the hood, that is completely inconsistent with damage caused by a vertical object such as a tree
This has been gone over before. The bumper is damaged. Because of the plastic covering, it appears to have sprung back. You can also see damage to the parking light in a vertical line with the hood damage. That is likely not a dent on the hood, but the folding of sheet metal which is not an unusual way for sheet metal to buckle under force. You can actually reproduce the same type of buckling with paper shaped like the hood and putting a point force on the front. If I still had access to a FEM modeler I am pretty sure I could get the same results with nothing but a point force being applied from the front.

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whiston wrote:
Hi all,i believe Mr Guy said he thought the saturn went through the snowbank on the Westmans side of the road .Ice and snow can be any texture and lets suppose the driver of the saturn had snow come up onto the windshield over the hood and was blinded,was off the road and had airbags deploy in the space of a few seconds.A major panic for anyone. Mr Atwood, I believe told cititgirl or Mauras'family that JKM was the first person he saw arrive at the saturn. So where was sgt Smith.take care philip
Whiston/Philip,
May I ask what your original source is for the supposed arrival of State Trooper JKM at the crash scene prior to the arrival of Haverhill PD Officer CS?
I can´t find this being verified anywhere.
Thanks!

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Orko Kringer wrote:
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No one has come forward as seeing any damage, however, maura wasn't anywhere near her car for the whole weekend.
Her father came up and they did all of their getting to places in his car.
Even when they went car shopping, they took his car.(You would think you would take the car you are looking to get rid of, in case the opportunity arises to trade it in).
Fred is the one who introduced the whole story about maura being afraid to drive her car. That is not a proven fact, but does make for a good alibi for her not having her car that weekend.
I wouldn't be surprised if her car was "Lying low" that weekend and out of sight.
Might also help to explain why fred would've left his car with maura even despite the fact he was dropping them off back at their dorms that Saturday night (they needed no car that night)... despite himself staying at a hotel seven miles away (he would need his car).
Billy's mother purchased MM an AAA card long before the assumed Vassi hit. The reason was her car was unreliable. I believe her. She didn't want to use her car when her father had a brand new car to use. If she was truly "lying low" she would have left for her journey at night and not leave campus during the day right when the Vassi story breaks.

Wouldn't you leave at night if your car has "new" damage on it right after a story breaks about a hit and run.

I think she LIED to her security manager as well. It's her business she doesn't need to tell her manager whats really the matter.

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Bumping for Maura wrote:
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Maruchan,
That may all be true, but as I´ve been saying repeatedly over time, Maura might easily have lent her car to a friend of hers in Amherst, who may well have hit Mr Vasi with Maura´s Saturn.
The thing about that theory, to me, is that, had it been somebody else using her car, and then calling to say that they had hit a pedestrian, I believe Maura's reaction would have been very different. She was not the driver, so she would have no criminal liability. She may not have known what her insurance liability would be, but she would have no reason to cry uncontrollably, turn into a zombie, not tell anybody the truth, and lie to her supervisor. I believe she would have been in disbelief and worried, but probably would be more angry. There is no reason she would try to keep it a secret, not even to protect her friend, because that would make it possible that she could be implicated in a hit and run accident. You would have to be crazy to do something like that.

Also, it makes no sense at all that a friend using her car, hitting a pedestrian, would cause her to run away. Why? She has no criminal liability.

So, in my opinion, if there is a Petrit Vasi link at all (which I almost completely doubt), it would have to be that MM was the driver.
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Maruchan wrote:
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The thing about that theory, to me, is that, had it been somebody else using her car, and then calling to say that they had hit a pedestrian, I believe Maura's reaction would have been very different. She was not the driver, so she would have no criminal liability. She may not have known what her insurance liability would be, but she would have no reason to cry uncontrollably, turn into a zombie, not tell anybody the truth, and lie to her supervisor. I believe she would have been in disbelief and worried, but probably would be more angry. There is no reason she would try to keep it a secret, not even to protect her friend, because that would make it possible that she could be implicated in a hit and run accident. You would have to be crazy to do something like that.
Also, it makes no sense at all that a friend using her car, hitting a pedestrian, would cause her to run away. Why? She has no criminal liability.
So, in my opinion, if there is a Petrit Vasi link at all (which I almost completely doubt), it would have to be that MM was the driver.
I agree and given the situation that Maura was in via the alleged CC fraud ( perhaps a victim of coercion, who knows?) that LE would take note of who ordered what from where and so forth, and the easily obtained info on the habits of late nite latte addicts. Self admittedly, LE claimed they had a "potential witness". So, if Maura was the potential witness, a quick spin through UMASS lot#?51 would have yielded answers. If not, that would have yielded answers as well.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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Billy's mother purchased MM an AAA card long before the assumed Vassi hit. The reason was her car was unreliable. I believe her. She didn't want to use her car when her father had a brand new car to use. If she was truly "lying low" she would have left for her journey at night and not leave campus during the day right when the Vassi story breaks.
Wouldn't you leave at night if your car has "new" damage on it right after a story breaks about a hit and run.
I think she LIED to her security manager as well. It's her business she doesn't need to tell her manager whats really the matter.
Just a few thoughts.

I agreee that billy's mom came across as someone that was very sincere, however, she clearly states that her son and maura had a very strong relationship and as we have found out that wasn't the case. I would think there is some deception there. Maura's own older sister noted that maura and billy were having probelms.3

She also is the one who denied a note being present in maura's dorm room when there was clearly one and she knew it (her son was present when they found the note). She was being deceptive about that, there is no question in my mind (because the note wasn't very flattering about her son).

If I were maura and at her age and all and were involved in something as big as a hit and run, I probably wouldn't know what to do and would probably turn to a parent for help. So i don;t think I would immediately have dealt with the car and drove it miles away the same night the hit and run took place.
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I know it may be too late, but here's a question. Were the doors to each dorm building locked in that if NOone was there to let students in, there would be complaints made? Or is this a non issue?
Mcsmom? Maybe you have thoughts on this.
I worked management in the Hotel industry for 10 years. NOone left thier post without being covered.
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Also, I thought that KM had said she was told about Maur's crying an hour prior to getting over to where Maura was stationed.
Keeping in mind that it would also take time once KM got to Maura, began to question and comfort Maura and found someone to cover her post, some time would go by for that too.
The 5 part series in Whitman Hanson paper says "contrary to popular belief, there was no later call made to Maura.
But I have wondered if one of the security people called her desk and asked what was going on, what was wrong. That might explain a call coming from within the bldg on a security phone.
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just me wrote:
I know it may be too late, but here's a question. Were the doors to each dorm building locked in that if NOone was there to let students in, there would be complaints made? Or is this a non issue?
Mcsmom? Maybe you have thoughts on this.
I worked management in the Hotel industry for 10 years. NOone left thier post without being covered.
Here is the current info on security at the residence halls: http://www.umass.edu/umpd/reshallsecurity/

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