Maura Murray

hannah_b wrote:

Years ago I asked if staff and other guests at FM´s hotel, the quality INn, were ever interviewed about the night MM showed up. I got the eply from a posyter supposedly in the know ofall things Murray, I believe it was Firecat, there were no other guests and no staff on duty. Kind of a strange hotel?

Did you personally ask the staff at this motel or posters?

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Did you personally ask the staff at this motel or posters?

I spoke to a girl on duty at the Qualiity Inn one night after Maura went missing, she was also a student at umass, she only vaguely recalled a student missing from UMASS, but what she said was that while she was at UMASS a baby was found in the dumpster.

It was a Saturday night on rt 9 near Amherst, the hotel might not have been full but there is no way that they were the only guests and there was nobody working either, no way.

Sounds like firecat had some incorrect info to me

This is completely off topic of Maura, but it is regarding the forum.

I've lived in Chicago my whole life: College in the city, work in the city. When my lil guy was born, I tried to stay in the city, but even in the best of neighborhoods, there is no 'backyard.' There is no acreage to speak of. At least, not in my income bracket! So I moved a coupla dozen miles south to the 'burbs. I love it out here - even have a whole couple acres!- and my lil guy does to.
Today, he asked if we could go on vacation and 'see a mountain.'(Something I've never seen, either).
Before I found this thread, the only thoughts I really had of MA & NH were bluebloods, accents, and boating. Then, that gradually broadened to include thoughts of the missing Maura Murray (missing, kidnapped, murdered). Now, after all I've heard from you guys, my first inclination was a trip out to NH to check out the mountains and the beautiful scenery you all talk about. You've made NH more to me than just words on a page - a locale where something terrible did happen to a young lady, whether of her own doing, that's unknown....

Thanks! You've opened up my perspective, and for that I'm grateful.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>What the hell are you talking about? How much did it cost you to put up a poster? I have put up money from my own pocket and helped in the search for Maura from March 2004 until June 2007.My out of the pocket cost has been into the thousands. Although it was not easy I find it was money well spent to help find a missing relative. Although I have never met Wowzer I believe she/him have searched for Maura. At what date did you become involved in the search for Maura?

Idk about up yonder but down here at the Office Max you can get 100 poster/flyers for $7.50 (8x10) or in color for $18.00 .. So a poster couldnt have been that much.. You can still download the orignal from the one MMM site & print them at home much cheaper...
Othe than that I personally have never been involved in any searches.. I would spend like you did also if it were my kin folk..

I just replied to this cus I liked the way you replied with some authority :)

Simply Sarcasm wrote:

This is completely off topic of Maura, but it is regarding the forum.

I've lived in Chicago my whole life: College in the city, work in the city. When my lil guy was born, I tried to stay in the city, but even in the best of neighborhoods, there is no 'backyard.' There is no acreage to speak of. At least, not in my income bracket! So I moved a coupla dozen miles south to the 'burbs. I love it out here - even have a whole couple acres!- and my lil guy does to.
Today, he asked if we could go on vacation and 'see a mountain.'(Something I've never seen, either).
Before I found this thread, the only thoughts I really had of MA & NH were bluebloods, accents, and boating. Then, that gradually broadened to include thoughts of the missing Maura Murray (missing, kidnapped, murdered). Now, after all I've heard from you guys, my first inclination was a trip out to NH to check out the mountains and the beautiful scenery you all talk about. You've made NH more to me than just words on a page - a locale where something terrible did happen to a young lady, whether of her own doing, that's unknown....

Thanks! You've opened up my perspective, and for that I'm grateful.

That's where we are right now. Leaves are changing. Really beautiful. Mountains aren't fully changed yet but still great looking. NH mountains aren't the biggest but they are beautiful and are rugged and can be dangerous. I highly recommend a trip to see them.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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That's where we are right now. Leaves are changing. Really beautiful. Mountains aren't fully changed yet but still great looking. NH mountains aren't the biggest but they are beautiful and are rugged and can be dangerous. I highly recommend a trip to see them.
Bill

Ours are like that also.. We have the Blue Ridge Mtns & The Smokey Mtns + the Applachian Trail.. Real beautiful this time of year :).. Ive seen yalls Mtns on tv & books but fear its way too cold for me lol

Just listened to the interview with John Healy on crimewire and he said a couple interesting things.

He said that SA Strezlin(head of the homicide unit who is in charge of the investigation) told him that the case file fills many of the large 5" 3 ring binders. Strezlin told him that the MM case is the most investigated case that he's ever seen in NH. I found that very interesting, this is the most investigated case in NH, out of all the homicides and missing persons this is the biggest one. To me that puts to rest the possibility that LE thinks she was a suicide or just simply got lost in the woods. If they believed she was simply a suicide I can't see them investigating this case more than any other case in recent NH history. LE clearly believes that abduction is a very real possibility and has truly investigated it as such. They're not going to put in 6,000 man hours into a case they believe is a suicide.

The other thing healy said in the interview is about the search that the fire dep't conducted that night. Sounds like they did a fairly in-depth search of the nearby area. He said they went in all directions and were mostly looking for footprints or a trail of some sort leading into the woods and they found nothing.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

They're not going to put in 6,000 man hours into a case they believe is a suicide.

They are not? Again, you can't differentiate between how real investigations work, and your prejudices. When real investigators work, and they don't know the answer, they just investigate. No matter how many hours it requires. They don't know the answer, so they are investigating, unlike you, who apparently has all the answers. And even IF it was a suicide, they will still try to find the body for the family, again, no matter how many hours it takes.

Bill

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Just listened to the interview with John Healy on crimewire and he said a couple interesting things.
He said that SA Strezlin(head of the homicide unit who is in charge of the investigation) told him that the case file fills many of the large 5" 3 ring binders. Strezlin told him that the MM case is the most investigated case that he's ever seen in NH. I found that very interesting, this is the most investigated case in NH, out of all the homicides and missing persons this is the biggest one. To me that puts to rest the possibility that LE thinks she was a suicide or just simply got lost in the woods. If they believed she was simply a suicide I can't see them investigating this case more than any other case in recent NH history. LE clearly believes that abduction is a very real possibility and has truly investigated it as such. They're not going to put in 6,000 man hours into a case they believe is a suicide.
The other thing healy said in the interview is about the search that the fire dep't conducted that night. Sounds like they did a fairly in-depth search of the nearby area. He said they went in all directions and were mostly looking for footprints or a trail of some sort leading into the woods and they found nothing.

According to responders to the accident scene in 2004 the easterly search was on 112 and ended at the corner of 112 and BHR because there were no visible footprints.So no not all directions were searched.

mcsmom my prayers and heart are with you.You are an amazing person that helped as well as many others in our search for Maura. Your kindness and caring about Maura as well as others will never be forgotten.Our family is greatful and appreciates what has been done on Mauras behalf.

citigirl wrote:

mcsmom my prayers and heart are with you.You are an amazing person that helped as well as many others in our search for Maura. Your kindness and caring about Maura as well as others will never be forgotten.Our family is greatful and appreciates what has been done on Mauras behalf.

Oh thank you! Your kind words mean so very much to me.

Can anyone post or PM/email me the link to Maura's Facebook group? I had it in my bookmarks but accidentally deleted.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>According to responders to the accident scene in 2004 the easterly search was on 112 and ended at the corner of 112 and BHR because there were no visible footprints.So no not all directions were searched.

Ok citi, that's exactly what I always thought I was surprised when he said that. Although, he just said the FD looked in all directions, he didn't say how far. And he did say how they were searching for footprints, so idk. I found it interesting that he said that. How do you know that citi? You spoke to the first responders personally didn't you?
You must have listened to that interview on crimewire, what did you think of it?

WTH-the-original wrote:

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They are not? Again, you can't differentiate between how real investigations work, and your prejudices. When real investigators work, and they don't know the answer, they just investigate. No matter how many hours it requires. They don't know the answer, so they are investigating, unlike you, who apparently has all the answers. And even IF it was a suicide, they will still try to find the body for the family, again, no matter how many hours it takes.
Bill

State's attorney Strezlin, the homicide prosecutor or the state, says this is the most investigated case he's ever heard of in NH, that's gotta tell you something. That would seem to indicate they think there's something more to this than just a drunk girl who got lost in the woods or killed herself. This guy, and the homicide unit, have investigated a lot of cases, they work murders; these guys aren't gonna put in that much work into a case they believe isn't really even a case. They're not gonna just pretend to investigate that much.
If your saying that they really believe she's in the woods somewhere that means you think they're just going through the motions. Meaning, they believe she just got drunk and died in the woods and they're just investigating for the sake of saying that they're doing everything they can. Orko has said something to this effect before, that they haven't done a real investigation they think she killed herself. These are murder police putting in 6,000 hours, they're not going to waste that much time if they were just going through the motions. 6,000 hours is well beyond going through the motions.
It's impossible to tell for sure, obviously, but that looks way more like they believe she was abducted and killed and they are truly investigating to find her murderer than they're just going through the motions so they can say she did.

Something I've always felt indicates this too is the lack of ground searches conducted by the NHSP. They obviously searched pretty well in the first days, Healy stated that the NHSP had 6k9 teams there and extensively covered a 3-mile radius. Sounds like after that they haven't really done too many other searches. They definitely did at least a couple more, and they searched up by 116 after cw was overheard telling people that story, no telling how intense that search was but judging by the fact they didn't say anything as to how big that search was it was probably pretty small. You would think if they did an intense search they would tell people about it to make it look like they were doing something.
When you listen to scarinza it sounds like the only thing he is actually confident of is when he says she's not in the woods in the area of the accident site. It also sounds like he, and the other investigators working the case, believe she caught a ride. In an early article it even states that the NHSP said they believe she caught a ride, or something to that effect.
It appears to me that the NHSP believe that a crime was committed here and they believe she is a victim of a homicide. The fact that the case was handled by major crimes and the SA's homicide unit should tell you something. If not, the case's inclusion on the NHCCU list should put any doubts to rest over what the NHSP believes happened here. They specifically state they only work missing persons cases where "murder is suspected" meaning they don't work missing persons cases where "lost in the woods is suspected" or "suicide is suspected". They actually specifically state this in their mission statement that's on their website. The NHSP would actually look really stupid if Maura gets found in the woods, it seems like they really don't think that's gonna happen.

You would think if they truly thought she was lost in the woods, be it suicide or accident, they would be looking in the woods at least every so often. Try to figure out likely routes she might've taken into the woods, or places she might've gone to enter the woods, maybe search near trails somewhere. That's not what they're doing at all, they put in many hours of murder investigation, like they think she was murdered. 6,000 hours, i mean damn, thats a real lot of time for them to waste on a case if someone wandering into the woods.

Something I've always felt indicates this too is the lack of ground searches conducted by the NHSP. They obviously searched pretty well in the first days, Healy stated that the NHSP had 6k9 teams there and extensively covered a 3-mile radius. Sounds like after that they haven't really done too many other searches. They definitely did at least a couple more, and they searched up by 116 after cw was overheard telling people that story, no telling how intense that search was but judging by the fact they didn't say anything as to how big that search was it was probably pretty small. You would think if they did an intense search they would tell people about it to make it look like they were doing something.
When you listen to scarinza it sounds like the only thing he is actually confident of is when he says she's not in the woods in the area of the accident site. It also sounds like he, and the other investigators working the case, believe she caught a ride. In an early article it even states that the NHSP said they believe she caught a ride, or something to that effect.
It appears to me that the NHSP believe that a crime was committed here and they believe she is a victim of a homicide. The fact that the case was handled by major crimes and the SA's homicide unit should tell you something. If not, the case's inclusion on the NHCCU list should put any doubts to rest over what the NHSP believes happened here. They specifically state they only work missing persons cases where "murder is suspected" meaning they don't work missing persons cases where "lost in the woods is suspected" or "suicide is suspected". They actually specifically state this in their mission statement that's on their website. The NHSP would actually look really stupid if Maura gets found in the woods, it seems like they really don't think that's gonna happen.

You would think if they truly thought she was lost in the woods, be it suicide or accident, they would be looking in the woods at least every so often. Try to figure out likely routes she might've taken into the woods, or places she might've gone to enter the woods, maybe search near trails somewhere. That's not what they're doing at all, they put in many hours of murder investigation, like they think she was murdered. 6,000 hours, i mean damn, thats a real lot of time for them to waste on a case if someone wandering into the woods.

Seems like the NHSP believes that a crime was committed here, the family believes she was abducted; seems like the only people who believe she's lost in the woods or a suicide are these random Internet posters, sometimes really makes me wonder why they're so adamant about trying to convince people she just got drunk and lost in the woods..why do they care so much to convince people of that? What do they have to gain? Why do they try to shoot down any discussion about foul play going so far as trying to ridicule people who mention it. Fortunately most people can easily see through their bullshit but it still begs the question of why. Why put so much time and effort into trying to convince people of this?

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Seems like the NHSP believes that a crime was committed here, the family believes she was abducted; seems like the only people who believe she's lost in the woods or a suicide are these random Internet posters, sometimes really makes me wonder why they're so adamant about trying to convince people she just got drunk and lost in the woods..why do they care so much to convince people of that? What do they have to gain? Why do they try to shoot down any discussion about foul play going so far as trying to ridicule people who mention it. Fortunately most people can easily see through their bullshit but it still begs the question of why. Why put so much time and effort into trying to convince people of this?

I ask myself these same questions..Why have they sat here for 8 years..I doubt its for entertainment..which brings me to my favorite lines "hidden agenda" and "red truck"

It has never been stated that she was in the woods, other than by you. It has been said repeatedly by myself and others that is ONE of the possibilities.

A three mile radius, how? There is so much unknown in the talk of the searches. Far more unknown, than known.

I won't bother going through the CCU and their charter again. We know that it isn't just murders that it investigates. Or, we should by now. Damn those investigators trying to dot those I's and cross all those t's in a missing person investigation. Wasting all that time when you know where she is.

Bill