Maura Murray

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Again, anywhere along the stretch of 112.... That is your best guess as to what it means?
First I'll disregard your statement "I would say that means". Meaning that this is your interpretation of what you think someone else is saying. Your best guess as it were. Doesn't fill me with confidence.
So you think, that they think, that they are absolutely positive that she isn't on the road on rt112? Including 5 feet into the woods on either side, 10 feet, 1 mile? Bob, really, there is no way to know what that means. His confidence doesn't impress me. And that isn't actually his area of expertise. He may be confident, that doesn't mean she isn't there. Unless they found her fingerprints or DNA from yesterday at a Sheraton Hotel in Hilo, they, like us, won't know what really happened until she is found. And yes, I absolutely believe she could be in those woods, because she could be for several reasons.
Bill

Bill your missing the point, as usual. They didn't need to look a mile into the woods, all they needed to do was check the sides of the roads; if there was no trail leading into the woods then she can't be there.. Obviously that doesn't mean that she definitely isn't there, at this point I don't think anyone can say that. But I think any reasonable person who actually looks at this Objectively can be fairly confident she's not in those woods .

The fact of the matter is the conditions they had after she crashed couldn't be better for finding her if she was in the woods, there had been fresh snowfall recently and the conditions were perfect for tracking.

So unless she was an expert at covering her tracks the chances of her being in the woods are extremely low. I don't see how anyone can actually think it is more likely that some 21yr old girl would enter the woods in the middle of NH rather than catch a ride.

What are your reasons again for thinking she's in the woods?

When scarinza says he's confident she's not in the woods anywhere near the crash site it's pretty clear he means anywhere along that stretch of 112. And yes, this isn't his area of expertise but it is nth F&G's area of expertise, they're tasked with all wilderness searches in NH. He was flying in a F&G helicopter and they were obviously the ones who were in charge of the search.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - Your arguing that every possible outcome should be weighed equally because it could happen? I'd like you to support the Lighthouse meteor theory.
I'll type it out in your honor:
I believe she ran into the woods to hide just for an hour than "Boom" a meteor hit her. Obviously noone is going to see the impact crater because the snow filled it in. It was a very smalled metoer only 10lbs in weight before hitting the atmosphere. Once it hit the Atmoshpere it burned down to the size of 1-2 lbs. You can clearly tell that this is the case. The WM's were wrong they didn't see a cigerette they saw the meteor in the distance being reflected off the window. MM probably had jewlery on and the static electricity of her running clearly created an electric charge that magnetized her jewlery and attracted the meteor and changed its decent path. This has to be taken seriously because meteors hit the earth "all the time". The police chief is such an idiot I have no idea why this wouldn't be one of the first scenarios that come to mind. Clearly if the chief studied astronomy in highschool he would have solved this case, but since he hasn't he doesn't want anyone to know that he isn't qualified so he is clearly covering it up. You can see in the court documents the third party intercept - was clearly, clearly a wire tap on a NASA's official phone. He wants to find out what NASA knows or doesn't know about the meteor.

Wow lighthouse, this literally has got to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on any message board, if not the stupidest. If there was a topix awards this post would clearly win "stupidest post of the year award.
No wonder your group got your asses handed to you last year in your debate class. Lol, arguments like this are truly laughable.

Your actually comparing something that is Completely impossible with something that happens all the time. I'm not saying every outcome should be weighed equally because it could happen, I'm saying it's pretty obvious that she was way more likely to catch a ride from the area then walk into the woods through 2'+ of snow.

She went into the woods to wait it out huh? Do you really have no idea how stupid that sounds? How just completely ridiculous this notion is? Obviously there's a slim chance she went into the woods but it's pretty obvious that she didn't.

It's funny, her family and LE believe she caught a ride from the area. It seems like everyone thinks she caught a ride except a few weirdos who post on these forums.

Lighthouse what the hell happened to you? You used to be a reasonable poster on these forums and now your becoming one of the weirdos, it's strange.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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It's funny, her family and LE believe she caught a ride from the area. It seems like everyone thinks she caught a ride except a few weirdos who post on these forums.
Lighthouse what the hell happened to you? You used to be a reasonable poster on these forums and now your becoming one of the weirdos, it's strange.

Her Family thinks she took a ride and left the area. To go where? Where have their searches been located? I don't seen them putting posters up in neighboring states. In my opinion they can say whatever they want but actions speak louder than words. The search is and has been very generalized to that area. FM can say she took a ride all he wants, but than why stay in the local bar "looking for that clue" if she can be anywhere.

The FBI stated the disappearances of MM and BM are unrelated. Why? I think because the FBI doesn't think MM met foul play.

I'm sorry you think I'm a weirdo, but thats called sarcasm. You don't realize the format of your own posts. I find it very funny the only time I attempt to post as you - you call me a weirdo. I try not to fight with any posters but you always respond to me in a certain format:
1. Tell me I'm wrong
2. call me an idiot or stupid
3. Destroy my theory using your created facts made up of assumptions based off of what someone says.
4. Introduce your interpretation as fact - thus proving me wrong.
5. Someone where in the post agreeing with the person that you just disagreed with and called an idiot or stupid.

FakeLE- I've answered that question before and you know it.
I can't say exactly how far the witnesses meant when they said "way up there" but obviously it means that it wasn't hanging out the end of the muffler.
Idk if it's 6", a foot or what but not hanging out the end.
The thing about this is that it is a statement made by a witness who actually saw the rag and spoken on record about it.
You say it was hanging out the end right? But your some anonymous Internet poster, why should anyone believe an anonymous poster on the Internet over a witness who has spoken on record about it?
The fact of the matter is that the only witnesses who actually saw it and spoke on record about it said that it wa way up there. Why would lavoie lie about that?? How about dick guy? They were both lying right? What would make them want to lie about something like that?

And bill, I thought your whole reason of being here, besides entertainment, is to prevent bullshit that doesn't fit with known evidence from creeping into the discussion, so where are you on this one? We got some anonymous poster who is clearly saying somethin that doesn't jive with what the witnesses who saw the rag said. What's up with that? So you can make up whatever you want and bill is ok with it as long as it has to do with her being drunk or if it agrees with bills theory, is that a correct assessment? Seems about right to me..

Please produce one witness who actually saw the rag that said it was hanging out the end, in reality that would make the whole rag thing make a lot more sense.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Her Family thinks she took a ride and left the area. To go where? Where have their searches been located? I don't seen them putting posters up in neighboring states. In my opinion they can say whatever they want but actions speak louder than words. The search is and has been very generalized to that area. FM can say she took a ride all he wants, but than why stay in the local bar "looking for that clue" if she can be anywhere.
The FBI stated the disappearances of MM and BM are unrelated. Why? I think because the FBI doesn't think MM met foul play.
I'm sorry you think I'm a weirdo, but thats called sarcasm. You don't realize the format of your own posts. I find it very funny the only time I attempt to post as you - you call me a weirdo. I try not to fight with any posters but you always respond to me in a certain format:
1. Tell me I'm wrong
2. call me an idiot or stupid
3. Destroy my theory using your created facts made up of assumptions based off of what someone says.
4. Introduce your interpretation as fact - thus proving me wrong.
5. Someone where in the post agreeing with the person that you just disagreed with and called an idiot or stupid.

Are you serious?? You think that post about the meteor was in my format??

If I make up so many facts then how come nobody has ever been able to show that I've made up anything? Why do I see people writing that yet no one can ever actually show any fact I've created?? I go strictly off the known evidence and witness statements. I'll admit that some of my assessments of certain things could be wrong, just like anybody else's on this board; nobody truly knows what happened, but to say that I've created any facts is just ridiculous and clearly completely made up.

And I may tell you I think your wrong but how about you go back and find one post where I call you stupid? The post you quoted is the closest and I still didn't call you stupid, I said your post was stupid, which it was.
I'm not bill or fakeLE, I dont just call people stupid.

I'm saying that it is most likely she caught a ride and the notion of her entering the woods is extremely unlikely and basically ridiculous considering the conditions she was facing that night and what she was wearing, and you come back with a post about meteors being magnetically attracted to her jewelry and that's what happened to her. lol.

And for the record, I didn't call you stupid, I said that post was completely stupid, which it clearly was. I stand by that, that was literally one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen anywhere.
I don't think your stupid lighthouse, & I never considered you one of the weirdos either, I asked you what the hell is going on because it looks like your becoming one of the weirdos.

I'm saying she most likely caught a ride from the immediate area, the same exact thing that LE believes happened, and your making a post about a meteor hitting her. Just think about that for a minute.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

FakeLE- I've answered that question before and you know it.
I can't say exactly how far the witnesses meant when they said "way up there" but obviously it means that it wasn't hanging out the end of the muffler.
Idk if it's 6", a foot or what but not hanging out the end.
The thing about this is that it is a statement made by a witness who actually saw the rag and spoken on record about it.
You say it was hanging out the end right? But your some anonymous Internet poster, why should anyone believe an anonymous poster on the Internet over a witness who has spoken on record about it?
The fact of the matter is that the only witnesses who actually saw it and spoke on record about it said that it wa way up there. Why would lavoie lie about that?? How about dick guy? They were both lying right? What would make them want to lie about something like that?
And bill, I thought your whole reason of being here, besides entertainment, is to prevent bullshit that doesn't fit with known evidence from creeping into the discussion, so where are you on this one? We got some anonymous poster who is clearly saying somethin that doesn't jive with what the witnesses who saw the rag said. What's up with that? So you can make up whatever you want and bill is ok with it as long as it has to do with her being drunk or if it agrees with bills theory, is that a correct assessment? Seems about right to me..
Please produce one witness who actually saw the rag that said it was hanging out the end, in reality that would make the whole rag thing make a lot more sense.

Trying to catch up here but with the loooong replies from you Jenkins it will take me awhile as I don't have the time to sit and read book length posts. You would be doing everyone a huge favor if you'd check your reply before hitting the send button and weed out the duplicate sentences and replies that have been said more that once.
Back to the rag that's been mulled over a million times already, while it's been said that the rag was "way up there" have you seen anyone state that the rag was not hanging out the end?
I don't remember any witness saying that it could not be seen from outside the pipe. If you can provide a link where it was said I'd appreciate it as I don't have time to look through multiple forums and threads. TIA

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Wow lighthouse, this literally has got to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on any message board, if not the stupidest. If there was a topix awards this post would clearly win "stupidest post of the year award.
No wonder your group got your asses handed to you last year in your debate class. Lol, arguments like this are truly laughable.
Your actually comparing something that is Completely impossible with something that happens all the time. I'm not saying every outcome should be weighed equally because it could happen, I'm saying it's pretty obvious that she was way more likely to catch a ride from the area then walk into the woods through 2'+ of snow.
She went into the woods to wait it out huh? Do you really have no idea how stupid that sounds? How just completely ridiculous this notion is? Obviously there's a slim chance she went into the woods but it's pretty obvious that she didn't.
It's funny, her family and LE believe she caught a ride from the area. It seems like everyone thinks she caught a ride except a few weirdos who post on these forums.
Lighthouse what the hell happened to you? You used to be a reasonable poster on these forums and now your becoming one of the weirdos, it's strange.

***Your actually comparing something that is Completely impossible with something that happens all the time.***
What happens all the time? And who are the weirdos?

Well wowzer there are only two witnesses that I'm aware of that actually saw the rag and spoke about it publicly and they both described it as being stuffed way up there.
To my knowledge neither of them said it wasn't hanging out the end.

I guess you might have a point there but wouldn't you agree that if someone says it was way up there that would imply that is isn't just hanging out the end of the muffler? Would you not agree with that? Who describes something that's hanging out the end as being way up there?

Hey bill- how exactly did shack "poison the area"?
Seriously, how exactly is the area poisoned and what evidence to you have of this alleged poisoning? Remember what you always say: outrageous claims require some outrageous evidence, or something along those lines. So let's have it, let's see this evidence.

Idk dude, it looks to me like you might be confusing topix with real life here.
The ONLY place that I've ever heard anything even remotely like that is here on topix. Definitely never heard anything like that come out of anyone's mouth I'll tell u that much.
One thing I can promise you is that if your in the N Haverhill area your not gonns hear someone say "oh that lady shack on topix poisoned the area and now we don't want to help". Unless your talkin to wowzer it's not gonna happen. I mean come on, like 99% of average citizens don't even know these forums exist let alone what shack is saying on them, I mean come on dude are you serious with this shit? Your average joe on the street has no idea about any of this shit, that's just obvious.
And when you say she 'poisoned the area' how big of an area are you talking about here? The 5 houses that could see the crash site? The whole town? The whole north country? What? Because if you mean just the 5 houses in the vicinity and a few up the street then yea, I'd probably give you that.. Those people probably know that they're being talked about online, but if your talking about the towns of n Haverhill, bath & woodsville then I don't see what your talking about.

Where is the evidence of this poisoning? You've been crying about this for a while now yet I've never seen anything to back up these statements.

Please break out the evidence of this alleged poisoning, I will gladly admit your right about it if you do.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Hey bill- how exactly did shack "poison the area"?
Seriously, how exactly is the area poisoned and what evidence to you have of this alleged poisoning? Remember what you always say: outrageous claims require some outrageous evidence, or something along those lines. So let's have it, let's see this evidence.
Idk dude, it looks to me like you might be confusing topix with real life here.
The ONLY place that I've ever heard anything even remotely like that is here on topix. Definitely never heard anything like that come out of anyone's mouth I'll tell u that much.
One thing I can promise you is that if your in the N Haverhill area your not gonns hear someone say "oh that lady shack on topix poisoned the area and now we don't want to help". Unless your talkin to wowzer it's not gonna happen. I mean come on, like 99% of average citizens don't even know these forums exist let alone what shack is saying on them, I mean come on dude are you serious with this shit? Your average joe on the street has no idea about any of this shit, that's just obvious.
And when you say she 'poisoned the area' how big of an area are you talking about here? The 5 houses that could see the crash site? The whole town? The whole north country? What? Because if you mean just the 5 houses in the vicinity and a few up the street then yea, I'd probably give you that.. Those people probably know that they're being talked about online, but if your talking about the towns of n Haverhill, bath & woodsville then I don't see what your talking about.
Where is the evidence of this poisoning? You've been crying about this for a while now yet I've never seen anything to back up these statements.
Please break out the evidence of this alleged poisoning, I will gladly admit your right about it if you do.

The people know what was being said and that's why several locals left the first MMforum. The LE also read this forum so don't think they didn't read the insults and disparaging remarks against them from this person. While locals may not know by name who bashed them they know what was said. Maybe not every house within miles but enough to make a difference in IMO.
Proof? I can read word for word what shack has said all the way back to the first forum. The ones that were there already know what was said and the damage that was done by her words. She was told over and over again that she was causing damage and yet she continued on. While the locals were trying to help she was biting their hands. Evidently you weren't a part of those forums at the time. If you were you would not be asking these questions.
I've said in the past that I won't put all her venomous words on the forum. I believe enough has been done on her own and I won't dig all the hurtful BS up again.
You don't have to believe me. If you want to know what was said I would suggest you go way back and start reading. Get confortable and be prepared to read years of hateful venomous posts.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

Well wowzer there are only two witnesses that I'm aware of that actually saw the rag and spoke about it publicly and they both described it as being stuffed way up there.
To my knowledge neither of them said it wasn't hanging out the end.
I guess you might have a point there but wouldn't you agree that if someone says it was way up there that would imply that is isn't just hanging out the end of the muffler? Would you not agree with that? Who describes something that's hanging out the end as being way up there?

While cleaning my hummingbird feeder today I saw that the tube going down into the feeder part was dirty so I got an old rag and stuck it in the hole. I had to keep twisting it around till it reached the end of the tube to clean it. I had a heck of a time trying to pull it back out because it was "way up there". The end of the rag was sticking out the other end. Kind of reminded me of the tailpipe rag.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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The people know what was being said and that's why several locals left the first MMforum. The LE also read this forum so don't think they didn't read the insults and disparaging remarks against them from this person. While locals may not know by name who bashed them they know what was said. Maybe not every house within miles but enough to make a difference in IMO.
Proof? I can read word for word what shack has said all the way back to the first forum. The ones that were there already know what was said and the damage that was done by her words. She was told over and over again that she was causing damage and yet she continued on. While the locals were trying to help she was biting their hands. Evidently you weren't a part of those forums at the time. If you were you would not be asking these questions.
I've said in the past that I won't put all her venomous words on the forum. I believe enough has been done on her own and I won't dig all the hurtful BS up again.
You don't have to believe me. If you want to know what was said I would suggest you go way back and start reading. Get confortable and be prepared to read years of hateful venomous posts.

I read it.. Maybe not all of it, but we wouldnt take kindly to it down here either! I fully understand! I had to google it, but when I did, I found out it was a small town much like my own & I know for sure nobody here would like it at all! Thats why, even though ive said some dumb things, I never once mentioned any local people.. No evidence, No finger Pointing!(Or typing)...

Emmett Dove wrote:

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I read it.. Maybe not all of it, but we wouldnt take kindly to it down here either! I fully understand! I had to google it, but when I did, I found out it was a small town much like my own & I know for sure nobody here would like it at all! Thats why, even though ive said some dumb things, I never once mentioned any local people.. No evidence, No finger Pointing!(Or typing)...

I live in the area and I have friends and family that live in the area so I guess I do take it personally.
Yes I admit I get upset when I think of her words. I don't take kindly to someone saying online or anywhere else that we are illiterate and rats in a nest that need to be sprayed with Lysol and we live in incest.
I will never understand how someone can say that about people that she doesn't even know and has never met.I guess I should feel sorry for her but......

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I live in the area and I have friends and family that live in the area so I guess I do take it personally.
Yes I admit I get upset when I think of her words. I don't take kindly to someone saying online or anywhere else that we are illiterate and rats in a nest that need to be sprayed with Lysol and we live in incest.
I will never understand how someone can say that about people that she doesn't even know and has never met.I guess I should feel sorry for her but......

Yup! Yall aint too much different than us! I wouldnt feel sorry for nothing! Those people are your neighbors, mail men/women, grocer, mechanic, garden country mart (dont know what its called there, but where the fresh crops come in & everyones selling their crops at the market) friends, family, maybe even people you went to school with, memories, etc; To small town people, its more than just your town, its pretty much everything!

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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While cleaning my hummingbird feeder today I saw that the tube going down into the feeder part was dirty so I got an old rag and stuck it in the hole. I had to keep twisting it around till it reached the end of the tube to clean it. I had a heck of a time trying to pull it back out because it was "way up there". The end of the rag was sticking out the other end. Kind of reminded me of the tailpipe rag.

Haha, great story wowzer, definitely a funny analogy.
Honestly that sounds like the best explanation that I've heard, that it was stuffed deep in the pipe but a corner of it was sticking out, or something like that.
But every description of it described it as a standard shop rag, which aren't that big. Maybe 1'x1.5', I don't see how a standard shop rag could be both way up there and hanging out the end as well.
And if it was hanging out the end why did the witnesses who've spoken on it describe it as way up there? Idk how far way up there is, it's not exactly an exact description but one would have to assume that implies it wasn't sticking out the end.
What's the point of saying it was way up there if it was hanging out the end? It sounds like lavoie wanted people to know that it wasn't just hanging out the muffler, it wasn't some idiotic sort of signal or idiotic attempt at roadside safety, that it was way up there. But that is obviously just my interpretation and I could be wrong about that, it wouldn't be the first time.

And for the record I didn't bring up the rag thing again this time, fakeLE did

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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Wow lighthouse, this literally has got to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on any message board, if not the stupidest. If there was a topix awards this post would clearly win "stupidest post of the year award.
No wonder your group got your asses handed to you last year in your debate class. Lol, arguments like this are truly laughable.
Your actually comparing something that is Completely impossible with something that happens all the time. I'm not saying every outcome should be weighed equally because it could happen, I'm saying it's pretty obvious that she was way more likely to catch a ride from the area then walk into the woods through 2'+ of snow.
She went into the woods to wait it out huh? Do you really have no idea how stupid that sounds? How just completely ridiculous this notion is? Obviously there's a slim chance she went into the woods but it's pretty obvious that she didn't.
It's funny, her family and LE believe she caught a ride from the area. It seems like everyone thinks she caught a ride except a few weirdos who post on these forums.
Lighthouse what the hell happened to you? You used to be a reasonable poster on these forums and now your becoming one of the weirdos, it's strange.

Merely as an aside (I'm not the grammar/spelling police)- if you'd intend upon swaying people to your side of the argument, perhaps consider not using the term 'stupidest.'

It's not a word. It devalues your argument.

Which, incidentally, I disagree with - I don't think it's unreasonable to think she ran into the woods because she had been drinking, was scared, and ran from the cops. It's an entirely plausible - nay, LIKELY, scenario, for a young, drinking, scared girl on probation to run from an impending DUI (and I think it's safe to bet that Maura would have been arrested for intoxicated driving, had she remained by the car). Why do you think it is such a ridiculous idea?

BTW, why is it Jenkins-OG? In my head, I always read it as 'OG' in rap/hip-hop culture - thus, original gangsta. I can't imagine your posts lining up with one who considers himself an O.G., but I thought I would ask. Thanks Jenkins.

SC

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Jenkins - Your arguing that every possible outcome should be weighed equally because it could happen? I'd like you to support the Lighthouse meteor theory.
I'll type it out in your honor:
I believe she ran into the woods to hide just for an hour than "Boom" a meteor hit her. Obviously noone is going to see the impact crater because the snow filled it in. It was a very smalled metoer only 10lbs in weight before hitting the atmosphere. Once it hit the Atmoshpere it burned down to the size of 1-2 lbs. You can clearly tell that this is the case. The WM's were wrong they didn't see a cigerette they saw the meteor in the distance being reflected off the window. MM probably had jewlery on and the static electricity of her running clearly created an electric charge that magnetized her jewlery and attracted the meteor and changed its decent path. This has to be taken seriously because meteors hit the earth "all the time". The police chief is such an idiot I have no idea why this wouldn't be one of the first scenarios that come to mind. Clearly if the chief studied astronomy in highschool he would have solved this case, but since he hasn't he doesn't want anyone to know that he isn't qualified so he is clearly covering it up. You can see in the court documents the third party intercept - was clearly, clearly a wire tap on a NASA's official phone. He wants to find out what NASA knows or doesn't know about the meteor.

Excellent!!! It's nearly perfect, except that you needed to repeat each thought a few more times in the post, use the word "literally" and throw in a few "that's just a fact." Clearly.:)

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

<quoted text>If I make up so many facts then how come nobody has ever been able to show that I've made up anything?

We have, over and over. And each time, you ignore what we post, until we call you out again, and you say pretty much the exact same thing, over and over and over and over ...

I'm curious. Jenkins says he has been on the MM boards for years. Do any of you long-timers remember him? You would remember him, I'm sure.

Maruchan wrote:

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Excellent!!! It's nearly perfect, except that you needed to repeat each thought a few more times in the post, use the word "literally" and throw in a few "that's just a fact." Clearly.:)

LOL. Add in a couple "if you think about it"s and double the post length, a few more typos and that should do it. I give the lighthouse meteor theory 4.5 out of 5 peanuts.

--Hater #6

Maruchan wrote:

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We have, over and over. And each time, you ignore what we post, until we call you out again, and you say pretty much the exact same thing, over and over and over and over ...
I'm curious. Jenkins says he has been on the MM boards for years. Do any of you long-timers remember him? You would remember him, I'm sure.

He/she would be very hard to forget. I don't remember anyone posting quite like him and I have to wonder how someone that says they've been on the forums for years remembers so little about past conversations and words said.Jenkins asks questions that he should know if he's been on the boards for years.JMHO