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BobJenkins-OG wrote: <quoted text>
Lol, wow bill, you can really talk some bullshit when you want to huh?. You can't actually Believe some of the crap that you write sometimes can you??
This post is hilarious, wanna talk about the spreading of bullshit?? Read the quoted text of this post. It's some pure, unadulterated bullshit.
LOL Jenkins, we all get that you "don't get it". No one has accused you of having a grasp of the finer points in this case, or understanding that accuracy and keeping the facts straight have any use in this pseudo investigation. That is why some of us are here. To stop the spread of bullshit. Like shack you apparently think that anything goes, any bullshit is fine. None of this will solve the case, but preventing it from hurting innocents is important. Yep, I do believe that is important. Bill
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BobJenkins-OG
Brooklyn, NY
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Bill come on, where is the evidence that shack "poisoned the area" Wanna talk about spreading bullshit? Come on, your crying about this alltns time but I've never seen anything to support this assertion, I'd say it's total bullshit. I'll gladly change that assessment if you can provide any evidence it is true. You clearly arent here to stop the spread of bullshit, only to disagree with a tone who doesn't agree with your theory that she was a stupid drunk girl that got lost in the woods.
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BobJenkins-OG
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Jenkins - do you think its fair to have the house that you lived in at some point put in a forum of a missing girl, and to have people mention that there was blood found on a carpet? Do you think it helps when you have your name attached to the house through a forum? No I don't think that's fair but when was there ever a name attached to this house? I'm not sure what your saying here, also it's always been described as "the a-frame" do you realize how many a-frame houses are actually in the area? A lot, I don't recall the address ever posted, or any names attached to the house either, did that actually happen or are you just speaking hypothetically here?
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Most definitely LE monitors this site, from time to time at least, as evidenced by the fact that included in their investigation, what they had listed as evidence in the court case with Fred was a print out of the websleuths forum. I find that highly interesting, I wonder what part of the MM discussion they think is important enough to include as part of their investigation. Seems strange to me. How do you know the forum is being monitored? I can print out a page of posts and send it to LE as a "tip" it doesn't mean that anymore effort was put into researching the tip. "Topix" would then be listed as evidence in the court case. I doubt anyone from LE is reading these posts, and if they are you are costing them some serious overtime :)
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Emmett Dove
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: <quoted text>
Most definitely LE monitors this site, from time to time at least, as evidenced by the fact that included in their investigation, what they had listed as evidence in the court case with Fred was a print out of the websleuths forum. I find that highly interesting, I wonder what part of the MM discussion they think is important enough to include as part of their investigation. Seems strange to me. I dont know iF they stay in this one, I just know it says in the user agreement that LEOs can use this site through their entry & all.. Also, you have officers that might hear their or a friends name & check it out, because most all LE are regular people when it comes down to it.. I have plenty of friends I went to school with that are LE & they talk to me on fcb & stuff.. Just cus they are LE doesnt mean they arent people..
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Emmett Dove
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Lighthouse 101 wrote: <quoted text>
How do you know the forum is being monitored? I can print out a page of posts and send it to LE as a "tip" it doesn't mean that anymore effort was put into researching the tip. "Topix" would then be listed as evidence in the court case. I doubt anyone from LE is reading these posts, and if they are you are costing them some serious overtime :) Look at the main page.. They have a special entry for LE! All that cyber bullying & stuff.. It says so right in the user agreement that they can monitor your post.. Im not saying that they are here reading & chillin behind some desk assigned to this forum, Im talking about the site Topix.. You can read it.. Im not lying..
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: she was a stupid drunk girl Please point to any post, in the nine years I have been posting, where I referred to her as a "stupid, drunk girl". Again, the only person who keeps referring to her as stupid, is you. Oh, and as far as the shack thing. Too many people here know what I am talking about for me to waste time on that. Bill
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BobJenkins-OG
Brooklyn, NY
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Lighthouse 101 wrote: <quoted text>
How do you know the forum is being monitored? I can print out a page of posts and send it to LE as a "tip" it doesn't mean that anymore effort was put into researching the tip. "Topix" would then be listed as evidence in the court case. I doubt anyone from LE is reading these posts, and if they are you are costing them some serious overtime :) No your right, I don't know for a fact this forum is being monitored, but I think it's a safe assumption Based on the websleuths forum being included as evidence in the court case. The thing your not realizing is that the court case took place in '06; back then there was no topix MM thread, well idk actually, maybe there was but this was not where the conversations were taking place. They were taking place on the MMM forum and the websleuths forum. To my knowledge topix only became a place for discussion after the MMM forum got taken down. So no, there would be no "topix" listed in the court case but since this is where the discussion is now taking place I would think its safe to assume the site is being looked at by LE, from time to time at least.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: <quoted text>
Orky- what evidence do you have that suggests they're investigating to recover her body rather than find a killer? What have they done that indicates that?
They've done criminal background checks, checked military record, personall records, search warrants, grand jury subpoenas, polygraphs, Witness interviews, have written witnes statements, photos and even done some sort of one-party intercept/recording of some sort. This is all classic murder investigation techniques.
They've done no ground searches since '04 that I'm aware of, never really did very many ground searches even in '04; they've done no searches near any of her favorite hiking spots or anything like that.
So what do you see that indicates they're investigating for a body recovery and not a killer?
Everything I've seen indicates they are looking for a killer, not her body in the woods. How do criminal records checks help find her in the woods?
And re: what you said about LE bringing clues to the family, no it definitely should not be the other way around. LE has made it very clear that they are not giving clues or any clues they've found to the family. They are giving the family exactly nothing except their word that they are investigating the case, and rightfully so. Giving clues to Fred could completely ruin the case, that is what the whole point of fighting Fred FOIA request in court. Even the PI team has sad they will only share clues/info discovered with LE, NOT the family or public. They are trying to build a case for a conviction, not to give to Fred to potentially ruin the evidence.
On the other hand the family is, and should be, trying to find clues to bring to LE in order to help them solve the case.
It is very clear LE is not going to bring any clues to the family.
What evidence is there that they are trying to recover her body? Jenky, are you sure these criminal checks, military records checks, lie detector tests etc... haven't been done to family members of maura and not some random murder suspect. As I understand from following the case and IMO: Three very close people to maura lost the trust of police investigatgors early on. Either the police felt like they weren't getting the whole story or that what they were being told was one thing and when the story came out to the media it was a whole different set of facts. Mis-trust was built early on and IMO that would draw plenty of suspicion right back at the very people that are demanding that Maura be found.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: <quoted text> Most definitely LE monitors this site... Then like five posts later, this post:-> BobJenkins-OG wrote: <quoted text>No...I don't know for a fact this forum is being monitored... You see Bob, when you write crap like this it confuses people. First you talk authoritatively acting like you KNOW something, most definitely, then you turn around and say well, I really don't know. SHIT! A second ago it sure sounded like you knew. Again, I'll try to help here. Go for quality posts, re-read them to see if they are filled with bullshit. Then trim out the bullshit. That will help make them shorter. Quality, not QUANTITY. I'll tell you the truth Bob, I can't stomach much of your posts after the first paragraph, and if the post following has some of the same words as the first, I skip it figuring it's just a rehash of the one above, as it often is, and then maybe the one following that. Go for quality, not quantity. I'll rephrase, STRIVE for quality. Maybe you can't do it, but practice will help make perfect. Bill
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BobJenkins-OG
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
Please point to any post, in the nine years I have been posting, where I referred to her as a "stupid, drunk girl". Again, the only person who keeps referring to her as stupid, is you.
Oh, and as far as the shack thing. Too many people here know what I am talking about for me to waste time on that.
Bill Bill you've clearly stated she was drunk on many occasions, as for the stupid part this is clearly implied by many of your posts. I mean come on, who's stupid enough to wander into the woods through 2 and half feet of snow? You make her sound like a complete idiot in many of your posts. And who are all these people your talking about? Wowzer? Who else? I've never heard anyone else say anything like this except you and wowzer, maybe one or two other people but i dont even think that many; are you sure this isn't just some fantasy in your head? And I'm not talking about stupid posts she's made, I'm talking about it being translated into the real world. You said she 'poisoned the area'. Well ok, where's the evidence this actually happened or are you just making this shit up? I've seen absolutely no evidence the area has been poisoned. You always say "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", or something to that effect. Well your saying that some woman making some stupid posts on an obscure message board has "poisoned the area". Sounds like a pretty extraordinary claim to me. So where's the evidence? Until you can produce a piece of evidence that shows the area was poisoned in any way I'm gonna have to call bullshit. Your clearly bullshitting/completely exaggerating an effect shack has had on the surrounding community, it's comical actually. Do you actually believe this crap? Are you sure your not confusing real life with the Internet?? I get the distinct sense that you think topix is WAY more important than it really is.
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BobJenkins-OG
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Jenky,
are you sure these criminal checks, military records checks, lie detector tests etc... haven't been done to family members of maura and not some random murder suspect.
As I understand from following the case and IMO:
Three very close people to maura lost the trust of police investigatgors early on. Either the police felt like they weren't getting the whole story or that what they were being told was one thing and when the story came out to the media it was a whole different set of facts.
Mis-trust was built early on and IMO that would draw plenty of suspicion right back at the very people that are demanding that Maura be found. Interesting post and interesting points orky. I gotta think about that one for a minute but it is pretty clear that at least some suspicion has been placed on the family. I often wonder if Fred is actually their #1 suspect, it would make sense if he was actually.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: And bill im still waiting for your evidence that shack "poisoned the area". I asked you this a couple days ago, maybe you missed it so I'll ask again.
It seems like you confusing the Internet with real life here buddy because I see no evidence of any poisoning. If you can show me evidence of it I'll gladly admit that she poisoned the area.
I'm talking real damage, in the real world. I'm telling you, your never gonns hear "oh that lady shack on topix poisoned the area now im not gonna help find Maura if I could". I've never heard anything like that outside of this thread on topix.
Most people don't even know these forums exist, The vast vast majority of people in the Haverhill and surrounding area would be happy to help find Maura if they could, and the vast vast majority have no idea about these forums too.
The fact is that she's said some stupid things before, but your constant bullshiting about her poisoning the area" is just completely ridiculous. I've seen absolutely no evidence of this outside people saying it on topix. What your saying is a gross exaggeration.
The weird thing is that when I started posting again earlier this year I read your crying about shack and thought "holy shit, she must have said some crazy shit in the past 2 years while I wasn't really paying attention". But then the other day wowzer offered up as"evidence" her saying that shack conducted this "poisoning" on the original MM forum, saying something to the effect of "you weren't there, you didn't see the hateful, venomous things she said back then". Well I was a member back then and that is a complete and total over-exaggeration. She might've said some stupid things about LE and a select few other people but she certainly wasn't "hateful and venomous". It's funy, because I remember her as a kindly old lady that really cared about Maura.
Your constant crying about shack is just ridiculous, your statement about her "poisoning the area" isn't a complete exaggeration IMO.
So where is it? Where's your evidence of this poisoning? And I'm not talking about digging up some stupid post, I'm talking about legitimate evidence that this area has been poisoned in the real world.
And when are you saying she poisoned the area? Back on the MM forum or in more recent years??
Were you even on the original MM forum? I definitely don't remember anyone names WTH.
How big of an area are you talkin? The 5 houses near the crash? The neighborhood? The whole town? The walls north country? If your just talking about the neighborhood, then maybe I'll give you that, but the whole area? Come on dude The SBD knew what was being said about him so I'm sure others were aware too. It's why he said he wished he had never stopped to help. Do you really think it would be helpful to anyone besides yourself to paste all the hateful venomous remarks that were said by a certain woman about her own family "up north", the locals that only tried to help, most of the LE that was involved with the case and even the state of NH? Please tell me how you think it would help. Bob wrote:**It's funy, because I remember her as a kindly old lady that really cared about Maura** Now I know you weren't on the first MMM forum because after hearing about it on our local news I went there and started reading thinking that I could be of some help as I was local. I was astounded to what I was reading and the disgusting things that were being said about the local area and the local people. I watched as some of the locals got tired of the bashing and left the forum. No one tried to stop it. I remember it got so bad once that Helena told the forum that she liked her home and didn't want to lose it. Yet the bashing continued. So if you really think this is just a kind caring old lady then you either had your head up your but or you weren't there to read the posts. By making all she said public you might be opening a can of worms you don't really want opened. JMO
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Emmett Dove
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Jenkins.. Your not gonna win this lil war your makin.. Its the internet.. You ever heard the sayn "small ass town, big ass heart"?... When you have certain people saying things about people from a small town that didnt do anything but try to help, theres going to be some hard feelings.. Things from the internet can transpire into real life.. Just sayn.. If u hve the time to keep arguing wit Bill, why not jus make more theories or something.. I tried arguing long time ago.. You see what it got me?? Everyone ignores my post lol.. But I wasnt arguing about this kinda stuff.. Im sayn wit all due respect.. I dnt got the time to argue
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: <quoted text>
No I don't think that's fair but when was there ever a name attached to this house? I'm not sure what your saying here, also it's always been described as "the a-frame" do you realize how many a-frame houses are actually in the area? A lot, I don't recall the address ever posted, or any names attached to the house either, did that actually happen or are you just speaking hypothetically here? Wow are you for real? The names of the couple that lived there was talked about for months. Both first and last names. And the a-frames physical address was also spoken about many times. Why don't you know any of this?
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Emmett Dove
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
By making all she said public you might be opening a can of worms you don't really want opened. JMO Beat me to it :) great minds think alike lol
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: Mike- Welcome to the forum, that's a very interesting first post.
Honestly what your saying is exactly what I HOPE happened to her and I believe that it is possible she went off and started a new life. IMO this is a more likely scenario then her committing suicide or walking into the woods through 2.5' of snow at night when she was already freezing.
The thing about this is she could be living right in NH and its very possible nobody has recognized her. Some people on this forum seem to think that there is no way moody would've noticed her by now but that is just not true. I'd say 90% of NH residents don't even know she is missing, let alone know what she looks like and be able to identify her, especially if she dyed her hair and started wearing makeup.
Think about how easy it would be for a sweet, beautiful girl like her to find some guy to let her move in. There are many guys who'd gladly let her move in and pay for everything. Very possible this guy has no idea she's missing. If he's like most guys who go to work in the day and go home and watch sports or family guy or something and never watches the news he might have no clue, particularly if she did meet him online and gave him a fake name.
You make a great point about her not wanting to go home and answer questions. No matter what the family says, after those candles get blown out she's eventually gonna have some serious explaining to do. It seems like her family put a lot of pressure on her, she could have a very easy life now with no responsibilities and just enjoying herself. It's possible the Hadley accident put her over the edge, I think Fred was pissed and was probably mean to her about it, I feel this is why he feels so guilty. It's possible she thought to herself "geez, I can't even get into an accident without being yelled at". I honesty hope to god that this is what happened to her; she felt under too much pressure and just wanted to get away. She got away to chill with some guy, was having a great time, and just never came back.
My current GF, we met each other at a concert and started chilling together; we started hanging together one night and from that night on there was literally over 2 years that we never spent a night apart. It's funny bc she's from mass and I'm from NH, one night she came to my house and didn't leave for like over 3 months until she had to go back to school, at umass Amherst ironically, and then I actually rented a house in Amherst for us. She could've just moved in with me in NH and I would've been more than happy about it, certainly never would've asked her if she ran away from mass, who would think that? I can just see a girl who is under a lot of pressure wanting to get away and falling for a nice guy who's willing to let her move in. Who's gonna question her as to why she doesn't speak to her parents? Who's gonna question a beautiful girl who's nice and fun to hang out with??
Your theory here is a possibility, especially when you consider the fact that she actually expressed a desire to do just that to one of her last bf's, who she was together with while she was with billy btw, she told him she wanted to run away and start a new life. When he heard she was missing his first thought was: "omg she actually did it" or something to that effect. So the theory that she found a new bf isn't that far fetched.
As jwb suggested a couple weeks ago, that a campaign to put up missing posters all over the region could be a very useful thing to do. Several thousand posters put up at every bar, gas stations, hiking trails, ski areas, etc etc..
That's an interesting theory mike, it could have some merit, thanks for sharing it. Bob wrote:**IMO this is a more likely scenario then her committing suicide or walking into the woods through 2.5' of snow at night when she was already freezing.** Your exaggeration is working overtime. Now the snow has gone from 2 feet to 2 1/2 feet. Soon it should reach 3 foot and growing
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BobJenkins-OG wrote: <quoted text>
Bill you've clearly stated she was drunk on many occasions, as for the stupid part this is clearly implied by many of your posts. I mean come on, who's stupid enough to wander into the woods through 2 and half feet of snow? You make her sound like a complete idiot in many of your posts. Jenkins - In my opinion Drinking and driving is much more dangerous than walking through two feet of snow. In my opinion the tragedy in all this is that the message of "Don't drink and drive" gets lost in all this BS.
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
Bob wrote:**IMO this is a more likely scenario then her committing suicide or walking into the woods through 2.5' of snow at night when she was already freezing.**
Your exaggeration is working overtime. Now the snow has gone from 2 feet to 2 1/2 feet. Soon it should reach 3 foot and growing Yes it does keep getting deeper, and not just the snow from him. I don't know how he knows how deep the snow was? I have searched, and even payed for sites to find out how much snow was on the ground. I know how much snow fell in the days leading up to the crash. I know the temperatures during and after the crash. But no where have I found a site that tells me how much snow was on the ground. So for now, I can only chalk it up to stuff that Bob "knows" that no one else knows, even when they make their living tracking weather events. And Bob, one of the key traits of someone who is a good liar,(or maker up of "facts") is that they don't keep changing the depth of the "facts" like the depth of the snow. Bill
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I hate to say it but I said this loonngg ago. Arguing with jenky is like arguing with the crazy retard on the street corner yelling about Jesus and the end of the world and all that. He will NEVER see reason, he does not possess the ability to listen to reason, nor does he possess the intelligence to understand that he comes off as a complete and utter wackjob. With his too many to count, looonggg rambling, repetitive, nonsensical posts that never end, make no sense, and defy logic or intelligence, he thrives on the thrill of sitting on his ass hammering out countless posts with the belief that if he repeats himself just one more time, it will become true. Just read back and see how many posts he has made in just the last few weeks and then tell me I am wrong. You are wasting your time, it’s like wrestling with a pig in the mud, at some point you must realize the pig enjoys it and you will never win.
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