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SamIAM wrote:
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And there you go, folks. This bozo won't allow me to have an opinion -- my opinion is, by his view, a "lie". Just because he doesn't like it, I guess.
Same for carrying a gun. He doesn't know me, who is he to say I don't carry one? And call me a liar when I say I do?
He's making my point: he's a bozo who calls things facts when they aren't, and calls them lies when they are. Again, Jenkins, where are your statistics on your claim as FACT that "most girls" will take a ride from a stranger (if their car breaks down, etc.)?
When did I eer say you couldn't have an opinion? You think I'm a bozo, fine maybe I am, your entitled to your opinion.
Saying you started carrying because of my posts isn't stating an opinion, that's claiming you took an action that just sounds ridiculous and paranoid.

That is why I asked you which post I've ever made that makes you feel worried about you personal safety. All I've ever tried to do is make it clear that it is very possible mm got killed and there has to be at least a couple murderers on the loose in the north country. Now if your saying that I've convinced you that there's killers on The loose and that made you start carrying that's one thing; but I don't think that's what you meant. It sounds to me like you are saying that you started carrying because your afraid of me or something, which is obviously ridiculous and completely unbelievable.

So how about you tell us when you started carrying and which post of min exactly made you take this extreme measure.

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Citi- until Maura gets found or some sort of definitive piece of evidence indicating what happened to her is found then I agree that any area could potentially be of importance.

So obviously The family was never told whether it was or wasn't her hair, correct?

Kinda reminds me of the skull found in vt. We know that probably wasn't hers, but it was def someone's. Who's was it??
How are people not more disturbed by the fact tag we have hair attached to duct tape and skulls being found and LE just doesn't say anything about it publicly? I find that very strange. Not so much that LE isn't talking about, they ain't saying shit unless they're forced to, but more that the public isn't demanding answers. It's weird, why doesn't the public want to know who's hair this is, who's skull that is?? I don't get it
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Call me a cynic, but I am skeptical about anything that isn' t confirmed to be part of the OFFICIAL investigation. Mention of dogs going "bonkers", "menstrual blood", "rusty knife" and "hair on duct tape", until officially announced, may be lore, and may also be driven by active imaginations.
"Hair on duct tape" has been previously mentioned, along with McKay, Floyd, serial killers and the Dow murders. It all cycles around rather predictably and endlessly.
I've never heard pieces of a cell phone or articles of clothing have been discovered and linked to Maura. Anyone else?

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OKAY wrote:
Call me a cynic, but I am skeptical about anything that isn' t confirmed to be part of the OFFICIAL investigation. Mention of dogs going "bonkers", "menstrual blood", "rusty knife" and "hair on duct tape", until officially announced, may be lore, and may also be driven by active imaginations.
"Hair on duct tape" has been previously mentioned, along with McKay, Floyd, serial killers and the Dow murders. It all cycles around rather predictably and endlessly.
I've never heard pieces of a cell phone or articles of clothing have been discovered and linked to Maura. Anyone else?
I have an incredibly vague memory of SOMETHING regarding a cell phone - a whisper of a rumor, if that. I just can't recall the precise details thereof - weird, because I'm quite fond of pouring over intricacies.
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Ridiculy- you make some good points for sure.
Th only thing is that my first posts on this forum early this year were not attacks at all, and I got attacked personally after like my third post here. It's ridiculous the lack of civility some of these posters employ.
I know that people try to turn it aroun on me like I'm the one being argumentative but that's total bullshit. I kept my post civil with these people for the longest time and still do with everyone who is respectful. I know that sounds childish but like you said it gets really frustrating conversing with these people. They are the most argumentative, rudest and just plain nasty people on any forum over ever seen anywhere, by far. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
and I really am gonna try my hardest to just ignore them and not get into it with these people anymore.
When I mentioned that maura may hacve hid in her trunk and therefore no prints, your aguement to me changed my mind. I like to
debate, toss ideas around with out being judged for it. Thanks Jenkins.
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OKAY wrote:
Call me a cynic, but I am skeptical about anything that isn' t confirmed to be part of the OFFICIAL investigation. Mention of dogs going "bonkers", "menstrual blood", "rusty knife" and "hair on duct tape", until officially announced, may be lore, and may also be driven by active imaginations.
"Hair on duct tape" has been previously mentioned, along with McKay, Floyd, serial killers and the Dow murders. It all cycles around rather predictably and endlessly.
I've never heard pieces of a cell phone or articles of clothing have been discovered and linked to Maura. Anyone else?
I have stated a broken cell phone was found. I never stated peices of a cell phone were found. I stated an article of clothing was found not articles of clothing. I never stated either of these findings had anything to do with Mauras disappearance.You have changed my wording with the posting I have made and this is wrong for you to do. If your going to comment on ones posting you should use what they said and not your own wording because someone may come along and think you are speaking from fact which is not fact because you have changed what I have said in my posting with your own wording.
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>I have stated a broken cell phone was found. I never stated peices of a cell phone were found. I stated an article of clothing was found not articles of clothing. I never stated either of these findings had anything to do with Mauras disappearance.You have changed my wording with the posting I have made and this is wrong for you to do. If your going to comment on ones posting you should use what they said and not your own wording because someone may come along and think you are speaking from fact which is not fact because you have changed what I have said in my posting with your own wording.
Thank you for the correction; I haven't deliberately altered the factual information you've tried to convey. I hadn't heard this information before. Interesting. When / where were these items found, please?

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OKAY wrote:
Call me a cynic, but I am skeptical about anything that isn' t confirmed to be part of the OFFICIAL investigation. Mention of dogs going "bonkers", "menstrual blood", "rusty knife" and "hair on duct tape", until officially announced, may be lore, and may also be driven by active imaginations.
"Hair on duct tape" has been previously mentioned, along with McKay, Floyd, serial killers and the Dow murders. It all cycles around rather predictably and endlessly.
I've never heard pieces of a cell phone or articles of clothing have been discovered and linked to Maura. Anyone else?
Snowy- I've never heard anything about a cell phone until these posts by citi. I'm wondering if it was the same kind of phone that Maura had or if it's just not related at all. Until we hear more info it's impossible to say anything.

As for the hair on the duct tape found by the hunter I would have to say that sounds like legitimate information. It was posted by the guy who claimed to have found it and he went into considerable details about what happened. It sounds like a true story to me but there's absolutely no way to determine if It's related to mm or not, knowing what we know.

The problem I have with what your sayin is that LE isn't talking, they are not confirming or denying whether any of this stuff is possibly related to mm. So you clearly can't say whether a piece of info is legitimate or not based on LE's reaction, because they have no reaction and they're not going to unless theyve arrested someone.

The thing about this is that if it wasn't connected to mm, or if the duct tape was determined to have hair in it due to an innocent reason, why not come out and say that to the public? The fact they remained completely silent on it leads me to believe that it could potentially be connected to mm or possibly another crime.

If there was nothing to it, If it was definitely not connected to mm and was not related to any crime at all why wouldn't they want to reassure the public that this duct tape is not connected to a crime?
The NHSP's ability to stay silent on things like this is rather impressive. People find hair with duct tape on it, pieces of clothing potentiall connected to a violent crime and they just say nothing at all? How does the public not have a problem with this?

Does anybody Know for sure If this was ever mentioned in any news articles? Now that I think about it I believe It was mentioned once in one news article, maybe the NCN? Does anyone know for sure?

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Jenkins:

I wish you were registered here, so I could PM you.

In regards to your above post ^(which I'm not going to quote, for space)- you questioned :

Jenkins:'it wasn't connected to mm, or if the duct tape was determined to have hair in it due to an innocent reason, why not come out and say that to the public'

My response is simple: Because they neither confirm, nor deny, information during an active investigation. This includes leaks that are garnered by the press, random posts at Topix, and such. It's not the nature of an investigation to announce the outcomes of testing of evidence, DNA, or otherwise.

I've no idea why they would issue a press release/statement or hold a press conference to announce that some item gathered was not applicable to the case at hand.

Although it would help out the armchair sleuths, admittedly.:-)
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Emmett Dove wrote:
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Very respectfull!! I agree with you very much.. Dont give him extras... He said "print in 2014" so now its awhile before its finished.. Dont know what he hopes to find.. I see him here occasionaly..
Dont worry Emmett he cannot verify some things I have said unless he talks to me.And no way in hell thats going to happen. Thank you for your advice you are more than likely right.Beagle also gave me advice along time ago. He was right so I have tried to change the way I post to others.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
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When did I eer say you couldn't have an opinion? You think I'm a bozo, fine maybe I am, your entitled to your opinion.
Saying you started carrying because of my posts isn't stating an opinion, that's claiming you took an action that just sounds ridiculous and paranoid.
That is why I asked you which post I've ever made that makes you feel worried about you personal safety. All I've ever tried to do is make it clear that it is very possible mm got killed and there has to be at least a couple murderers on the loose in the north country. Now if your saying that I've convinced you that there's killers on The loose and that made you start carrying that's one thing; but I don't think that's what you meant. It sounds to me like you are saying that you started carrying because your afraid of me or something, which is obviously ridiculous and completely unbelievable.
So how about you tell us when you started carrying and which post of min exactly made you take this extreme measure.
DO YOU READ????? My opinion was that I don't view Wowzer and Bill and some others as stirring up "shit" (as you so delicately word things in your posts ... along with the other 4-letter words you specialize in), but I did view you that way. You called me a liar for saying that. It wasn't a lie, it was my opinion. You called me a liar for stating my opinion. Get it???

As to carrying a gun, I specifically said that I didn't start carrying a gun BECAUSE OF your posts. I said I started carrying a gun AFTER YOU STARTED POSTING. There is a difference. You are drawing a connection between your posts and me carrying a gun, and that connection is just in your own mind. Get it???
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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
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Snowy- I've never heard anything about a cell phone until these posts by citi. I'm wondering if it was the same kind of phone that Maura had or if it's just not related at all. Until we hear more info it's impossible to say anything.
As for the hair on the duct tape found by the hunter I would have to say that sounds like legitimate information. It was posted by the guy who claimed to have found it and he went into considerable details about what happened. It sounds like a true story to me but there's absolutely no way to determine if It's related to mm or not, knowing what we know.
The problem I have with what your sayin is that LE isn't talking, they are not confirming or denying whether any of this stuff is possibly related to mm. So you clearly can't say whether a piece of info is legitimate or not based on LE's reaction, because they have no reaction and they're not going to unless theyve arrested someone.
The thing about this is that if it wasn't connected to mm, or if the duct tape was determined to have hair in it due to an innocent reason, why not come out and say that to the public? The fact they remained completely silent on it leads me to believe that it could potentially be connected to mm or possibly another crime.
If there was nothing to it, If it was definitely not connected to mm and was not related to any crime at all why wouldn't they want to reassure the public that this duct tape is not connected to a crime?
The NHSP's ability to stay silent on things like this is rather impressive. People find hair with duct tape on it, pieces of clothing potentiall connected to a violent crime and they just say nothing at all? How does the public not have a problem with this?
Does anybody Know for sure If this was ever mentioned in any news articles? Now that I think about it I believe It was mentioned once in one news article, maybe the NCN? Does anyone know for sure?
Thanks for the affirmation; I have a pretty darned good memory, and it's news to me.
Perhaps I have a very naive confidence in investigative LE, but I respect the fact that information is neither confirmed or denied to the public.
Privacy considerations of victims and suspects, as well as keeping the integrity of an investigation intact would seem to be very important qualities of professional conduct.
If information is to be shared, however, one would think the family is first in line, way ahead of the public.
Just my way of thinking.
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OKAY wrote:
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Thank you for the correction; I haven't deliberately altered the factual information you've tried to convey. I hadn't heard this information before. Interesting. When / where were these items found, please?
Alot of info I have learned during our search for Maura has not been given to the press.I have done my best to avoid the press. So this is why many have not heard this.The info was passed on to authorities.

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Someone finds duct tape with hair attached and it takes 4 days for them to even call the guy back? And it snowed in this days?! Another thing the public should be pretty pissed about if you ask me.

This indicates to me that the NHSP had a pretty damn good idea that this duct tape was not connected to mm. If its true that they have no evidence indicating foul play, which I don't believe, shouldn't they be chomping at the bit for any and all potential evidence linked to this case? If they really have no evidence, nothin that indicates a crime, shouldn't they have been out there the very next day with that hunter? This is yet another thing that indicates they know a lot more than they're telling the public.
Duct tape is often a treasure trove of evidence in violent crimes. It often holds finger prints & due to what it is it also holds up to the elements fairly well.

But either way this is fairly shoddy work by the NHSP; it must've been someone's hair, it could be evidence of a violent crime. To take 4 days and let it snow in the meantime is just not the way things should be done in Le. They should've been out there the following day, if not the same day, retrieving the tape and also scouring the area for any potential trace evidence that could've also been there. But it snowed so any trace evidence that was there was probably missed by investigators.

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Simply Sarcasm wrote:
Jenkins:
I wish you were registered here, so I could PM you.
In regards to your above post ^(which I'm not going to quote, for space)- you questioned :
Jenkins:'it wasn't connected to mm, or if the duct tape was determined to have hair in it due to an innocent reason, why not come out and say that to the public'
My response is simple: Because they neither confirm, nor deny, information during an active investigation. This includes leaks that are garnered by the press, random posts at Topix, and such. It's not the nature of an investigation to announce the outcomes of testing of evidence, DNA, or otherwise.
I've no idea why they would issue a press release/statement or hold a press conference to announce that some item gathered was not applicable to the case at hand.
Although it would help out the armchair sleuths, admittedly.:-)
I am registered and I'm currently signed in so feel free to pm me if you feel inclined to do so.

As for your comment, I understand that they can't comment on an active investigation, they can't give out any info that could potentially harm their investigation. I get that an I wouldn't want them to cause any harm.
But shouldn't they want to issue a press release telling the public that the hair and duct tape are not related to a crime? Just to reassure the public that there wasn't evidence of a violent crime found? That could'nt harm any investigation, just to tell the public what's going could it?
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Alot of info I have learned during our search for Maura has not been given to the press.I have done my best to avoid the press. So this is why many have not heard this.The info was passed on to authorities.
Excellent; it's a fine line to walk. After all, what happens there is what really matters, not what happens here.

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mcsmom wrote:
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What/where is the timber landing? I think this area is related to Maura's case somehow. Keep looking, and please familiarize yourself with her missing poster which describes what she was likely wearing and items she may have had with her including a cell phone and black backpack.
I have visited the area in the past, and have visited the site today. Nothing found today, I have contacted SP in the past about items on the poster. The timber landing is a site that is used for loading timber trucks from skidders in the National Forest Service's timber harvests in the area. It's better known as a big gravel hill that can be mistaken as a sandpit or a shooting hill. I live in NH and enjoy the outdoors. This case intrigues me, as I'm sure it does alot of you.

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amy researches wrote:
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I'm not from Nh so I don't know the answer to your question, but I'm happy to hear that you are looking while you are there. Have you written to the family through their website?(Mauramurraymissing(do t)com)
I emailed some info to them months ago and they seem grateful for any help.
Maybe they can provide you the poster that shows Maura's shoes, backpack and cell phone, as well as answer about the timber landing?
I really need to email them, I have many questions and need to share information. I don't think NHSP updates the family on new information fearing a compromise of the case.
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I have visited the area in the past, and have visited the site today. Nothing found today, I have contacted SP in the past about items on the poster. The timber landing is a site that is used for loading timber trucks from skidders in the National Forest Service's timber harvests in the area. It's better known as a big gravel hill that can be mistaken as a sandpit or a shooting hill. I live in NH and enjoy the outdoors. This case intrigues me, as I'm sure it does alot of you.
Did you find any items resembling those that may have belonged to Maura?

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Timber landing? I'm not sure where that is. There was one years ago by gun club.
To my knowledge this person was talking about a spot closer to Wildwood, past the flats.
The topo map tied to the post indicates the area where I hunt. The major sandpit is now a private road and two dwellings. I hunt behind the pit, on the backside roughly. There's so much area to cover and dropped ground to investigate. I have covered the stream and northern edge of the timber trail today. The drainage created by the feds is complex and extensive. I'll have to spend next weekend hiking deeper with muzzleloader in tow.

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