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rozShoem
Fairport, NY
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Wowzer the real one wrote: <quoted text>
Unbelievable! There's something wrong with people when they defend and even make excuses for someone that is a liar, arrogant, rude and calls people that have been here for some time disgusting names and verbally attacks them.
And there's also something wrong when people that live in the area where Maura went off the road are falsely accused for almost 7 years of being guilty of something to do with her disappearance.
Another new person in the area has been named, implicated as a POI and possibly guilty of burying a missing person in cement at their business. Even the family and the families business was made public. I understand that this info has been spread to other forums.
Now the person that said all this crap changes his mind and says the local man is not a murderer and was a POI because of where he lived and he had a red truck etc.
Another local person lied about. Another local person falsely accused. Another family dragged thru the mud on a public forum.
And Anne even tries to give the person that made all the libelous statements an excuse by asking......
***Did you mimic the stance of a once famous lawyer and think with drama and attacks that it would expose someone? I am just wondering your objective in your statements. Thank you for your efforts on her and family's behalf.***
I realize now that this forum is not really for finding a missing woman. It has a completely different agenda which I no longer care to be a part of. I blame myself for being stupid enough to keep coming here day after day just to be called names and beat up. I also thought I could be of some help being that I knew the land and lived close. Silly me.I couldn't have been more wrong.
Time to give my computer a rest and spend more time with family and friends that are caring and kind.
I truly hope that Maura is found but until then enjoy the bashing as that is what some here live for.
Sleep well Anne and Shack. I know I will. Carry on! Wow Wowzer! Seems that "Anne" REALLY pressed your buttons! LOL. Take a deep breath! Really. Where on earth is our "Snowy?" Wonder what she will do......having to read your lengthy venting response?! I know....and agree with you....why DO people keep coming back...myself included? LOL. Our lives cannot be that boring.... LOL.
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Beagle
Amherst, MA
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The electronic eavesdropping occurred in July 2008, over four years after Maura disappeared. That's an very sustained level of interest by someone for so long a time.
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Since: May 09
Monroe, LA
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>
Still, you cannot address the actual issue here, of the eavesdropping, of the electronic surveillance of someone (or possibly more than one person) in the Amherst MA area. What moniker was used to post the information matters far less than the fact that it was posted at all. Someone using the Quija moniker had access to my phone conversations - plain and simple. I'm not saying that the same person who was using the Quija moniker also bugged my conversations, although it's possible. I'm saying that someone using the Quija moniker had ACCESS to those conversations, knew about them, in detail.
This issue is, repeat, about the level of interest in Maura Murray's disappearance and how far someone will go to investigate or target or intimidate someone. I basically don't care whether Quija, or Firecat, or EWB, or Shack, or Fred the lawyer, or Dawn, or anyone else posted the reference to "spalted wood." The point here is not what moniker was used. The point is that Maura's disappearance is about more than a vanished drunk driver. No one would eavesdrop on someone in western MA because a UMass student disappeared in Haverhill NH if western MA was not relevant to the investigation. Which means that even if Maura was driving the Saturn at the WB curve and she was drunk, there is a lot about western MA and Amherst in particular of interest to someone, no matter what moniker they're using.
You make Quija sound like she's a real person. Maybe she is and maybe she's not. It's impossible to tell. Any one person can use several monikers. As we all should know by now. oh beagle it was just a coincidence.. you have no idea.. she is laid up with two broken arms. she is NOT listening to you she can barley get around
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Since: May 09
Monroe, LA
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fred the lawyer... mason has moved on.......... you can find him online if you want.. he is out there writing informative info on the LAW to all the losers who questioned who he really is.. the jokes on you. over and out.. this is just crazy talk now. may the cold case unit solve this god speed.
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Since: May 09
Monroe, LA
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snowy... ignore them.. same to you wowzer. we can sleep at night. we arent' evil people.. we have cared - and guess what we still can and no one can do a damn thing about it. if people want to make us stories about a missing person go for it. its mean disrespectful and mean mean mean. in memory of sbd.......... folks do the right thing.. even if it vilifies you in death. i tell ya.
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Since: May 09
Monroe, LA
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beagle please call your ex or someone in the family.. explain how you are feeling.. K.. take care buddy. I am not sticking around.. you have my email if you want to talk. K.. you are worrying me.
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Since: May 09
Monroe, LA
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oh beagle....... your beag, john and grandma today.. i tell you .. you give it away in the writing style. BE SAFE hmmmmmmm
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Anne
Marshfield, VT
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dawn sunrise wrote: fred the lawyer... mason has moved on.......... you can find him online if you want.. he is out there writing informative info on the LAW to all the losers who questioned who he really is.. the jokes on you.
over and out.. this is just crazy talk now.
may the cold case unit solve this god speed. I never doubted that fred was who he said he was. As a matter of fact he proceeded on his agenda exactly as a lawyer would. None of this is a joke, it is sad. I agree, maybe the cold case can solve this.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>
Still, you cannot address the actual issue here, of the eavesdropping, of the electronic surveillance of someone (or possibly more than one person) in the Amherst MA area. What moniker was used to post the information matters far less than the fact that it was posted at all. Someone using the Quija moniker had access to my phone conversations - plain and simple. I'm not saying that the same person who was using the Quija moniker also bugged my conversations, although it's possible. I'm saying that someone using the Quija moniker had ACCESS to those conversations, knew about them, in detail.
This issue is, repeat, about the level of interest in Maura Murray's disappearance and how far someone will go to investigate or target or intimidate someone. I basically don't care whether Quija, or Firecat, or EWB, or Shack, or Fred the lawyer, or Dawn, or anyone else posted the reference to "spalted wood." The point here is not what moniker was used. The point is that Maura's disappearance is about more than a vanished drunk driver. No one would eavesdrop on someone in western MA because a UMass student disappeared in Haverhill NH if western MA was not relevant to the investigation. Which means that even if Maura was driving the Saturn at the WB curve and she was drunk, there is a lot about western MA and Amherst in particular of interest to someone, no matter what moniker they're using.
You make Quija sound like she's a real person. Maybe she is and maybe she's not. It's impossible to tell. Any one person can use several monikers. As we all should know by now. the Quija i know, and others know,(but are strangely silent)....loves to research, and has devoted considerable personal time to pondering the possibilities surrounding Maura's disappearance....first, in loosely held collaboration with the ducks, and much later, as a thoughtful, independent amateur sleuth. she is a gatherer, not a hater. she is a truth teller, not a liar. she has an open, not a closed mind. she is wise, not a fool. she is dignified, and doesn't stoop to pettiness. now, you mention the spate of innumerable monikers....a few were intensely targeting Ouija several months ago. as you suggest, your concerns may be associated with someone's theft of monikers. i've stopped chasing monikers. i certainly can't speak to why Amherst is or isn't a focus of investigation.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Anne wrote: <quoted text>I never doubted that fred was who he said he was. As a matter of fact he proceeded on his agenda exactly as a lawyer would. None of this is a joke, it is sad. I agree, maybe the cold case can solve this. Sophie Bean surely did. ditto FireCat and others. willing, helpful professionals were bashed and trashed until they left in disgust. it never was or is a good PR move for Maura. seems a number of people are pretty tired of the song and dance. me, too.
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Grandma
United States
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>
Still, you cannot address the actual issue here, of the eavesdropping, of the electronic surveillance of someone (or possibly more than one person) in the Amherst MA area. What moniker was used to post the information matters far less than the fact that it was posted at all. Someone using the Quija moniker had access to my phone conversations - plain and simple. I'm not saying that the same person who was using the Quija moniker also bugged my conversations, although it's possible. I'm saying that someone using the Quija moniker had ACCESS to those conversations, knew about them, in detail.
This issue is, repeat, about the level of interest in Maura Murray's disappearance and how far someone will go to investigate or target or intimidate someone. I basically don't care whether Quija, or Firecat, or EWB, or Shack, or Fred the lawyer, or Dawn, or anyone else posted the reference to "spalted wood." The point here is not what moniker was used. The point is that Maura's disappearance is about more than a vanished drunk driver. No one would eavesdrop on someone in western MA because a UMass student disappeared in Haverhill NH if western MA was not relevant to the investigation. Which means that even if Maura was driving the Saturn at the WB curve and she was drunk, there is a lot about western MA and Amherst in particular of interest to someone, no matter what moniker they're using.
You make Quija sound like she's a real person. Maybe she is and maybe she's not. It's impossible to tell. Any one person can use several monikers. As we all should know by now. Beag, you're preaching to a very small choir regarding civility. However, I have question your sincerity. Do you think we believe you when you say that it was snowing in June or July of 2008? In your post you say the incident took place in July 2008. http://passingthroughtown.blogspot.com/2010/0... "Winter has really settled into Northern Massachusetts, Snow and Ice are everywhere." Towards then end of the page you say that "Half Moon" not Quija made the coincidental mention. Also, spalted isn't a secret word that only you use. If Spalted Maple ... not just wood...were mentioned, and if you also were talking about sand dollars on the phone, or a few other off the wall details that happened that day only known to you, and they were mentioned also, then yes, you should have some concern. There is a reason some locks require a combination of numbers, to leave out chance for coincidence. But instead of considedring that fact, you feel it is your top priority to throw a shit fit at Snowy, the only person who is, right now, trying to warn others that they ought not mess with other people's lives, the very thing you're complaining about. Somehow, you believe if you put on a good enough show, well all ignore the weakness of your logic. Meanwhile, it seems that although your arrival here is just another run of the mill manuever for you to subversively discredit legitimate questions, Snowy actually has more reason then you to actually complain. Which was what I perceived as having actually happened with regard to Anne chastising Snowy for talking to Quija, a conversation I doubt Snowy or Anne would ever include, based on the forum chatter. Yet Anne knew all about it, yet you and her are BFFs! But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, you should know that conversations about spalted wood isn't going to bring a big break to solve this case. I'm sorry Beag, but most peoples lives are just too unimportant to eavesdrop on. Not to mention that we have our own lives to tend to. Its very interesting you bring this up now in support of the very people you believe have orchistrated the demise you report on your blog.
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Since: Jan 11
Location hidden
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Snowy wrote: <quoted text>
the Quija i know, and others know,(but are strangely silent)....loves to research, and has devoted considerable personal time to pondering the possibilities surrounding Maura's disappearance....first, in loosely held collaboration with the ducks, and much later, as a thoughtful, independent amateur sleuth.
she is a gatherer, not a hater. she is a truth teller, not a liar. she has an open, not a closed mind. she is wise, not a fool. she is dignified, and doesn't stoop to pettiness.
now, you mention the spate of innumerable monikers....a few were intensely targeting Ouija several months ago. as you suggest, your concerns may be associated with someone's theft of monikers.
i've stopped chasing monikers.
i certainly can't speak to why Amherst is or isn't a focus of investigation. I heard or saw I should say in another forum that MM was being investigated for credit card fraud, back on campus and that is why UMASS PD was handling the case on that end. Does anyone know this to be true or is it just gossip as well?
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Beagle
Shelburne Falls, MA
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Grandma wrote: <quoted text> Beag, you're preaching to a very small choir regarding civility. However, I have question your sincerity. Do you think we believe you when you say that it was snowing in June or July of 2008? In your post you say the incident took place in July 2008. http://passingthroughtown.blogspot.com/2010/0... "Winter has really settled into Northern Massachusetts, Snow and Ice are everywhere." Towards then end of the page you say that "Half Moon" not Quija made the coincidental mention. Also, spalted isn't a secret word that only you use. If Spalted Maple ... not just wood...were mentioned, and if you also were talking about sand dollars on the phone, or a few other off the wall details that happened that day only known to you, and they were mentioned also, then yes, you should have some concern. There is a reason some locks require a combination of numbers, to leave out chance for coincidence. But instead of considedring that fact, you feel it is your top priority to throw a shit fit at Snowy, the only person who is, right now, trying to warn others that they ought not mess with other people's lives, the very thing you're complaining about. Somehow, you believe if you put on a good enough show, well all ignore the weakness of your logic. Meanwhile, it seems that although your arrival here is just another run of the mill manuever for you to subversively discredit legitimate questions, Snowy actually has more reason then you to actually complain. Which was what I perceived as having actually happened with regard to Anne chastising Snowy for talking to Quija, a conversation I doubt Snowy or Anne would ever include, based on the forum chatter. Yet Anne knew all about it, yet you and her are BFFs! But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, you should know that conversations about spalted wood isn't going to bring a big break to solve this case. I'm sorry Beag, but most peoples lives are just too unimportant to eavesdrop on. Not to mention that we have our own lives to tend to. Its very interesting you bring this up now in support of the very people you believe have orchistrated the demise you report on your blog. Your post intentionally misrepresents the facts. Regardless of any blog entry, I mentioned spalted maple on the phone one day and - ON TOPIX - someone using the Quija moniker "dropped" the word, as if innocently, in a TOPIX post the next day. It was a kind of taunt, it was a "we know what you say on the phone" kind of thing. Almost no one who read Quija's post would have understood the reference. It was meant only for me to grasp, not the average lurker or general public. Quija's reference to spalted wood was no coincidence, and you know it. You are trying hard to refute what I have said, but no rational person would consider Quija's reference a coincidence. They might, instead, consider you desperate to explain it away. The blog is not a sworn court document. You are trying hard to confuse the two. Posts on Topix may INSPIRE blog entries. Or blog entries, especially if they potentially represent parts of a cohesive whole, may be taken from real life occurrences. Blog entries may be bits and pieces of a rough draft. Everyone has heard of works "based on" the life of, or on the events of, etc. No one thinks the "White Hotel" or the "Davinci Code" actually happened. The blog is a work in progress and is only marginally related to Maura's disappearance. If you're going to read and reference it, read it more closely, including the obvious disclaimer about dates. There is no mention of snow in July. The post on TOPIX occurred in July 2008. Substituting Half Moon for Quija is irrelevant - call it literary license. Blogs are many things, often they are works in progress, often they are simply musings. What is written in a blog need not correspond to what is submitted to a Topix thread. Don't try to confuse a blog with a Topix thread.
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Beagle
Shelburne Falls, MA
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Grandma wrote: <quoted text> Beag, you're preaching to a very small choir regarding civility. However, I have question your sincerity. Do you think we believe you when you say that it was snowing in June or July of 2008? In your post you say the incident took place in July 2008. http://passingthroughtown.blogspot.com/2010/0... "Winter has really settled into Northern Massachusetts, Snow and Ice are everywhere." Towards then end of the page you say that "Half Moon" not Quija made the coincidental mention. Also, spalted isn't a secret word that only you use. If Spalted Maple ... not just wood...were mentioned, and if you also were talking about sand dollars on the phone, or a few other off the wall details that happened that day only known to you, and they were mentioned also, then yes, you should have some concern. There is a reason some locks require a combination of numbers, to leave out chance for coincidence. But instead of considedring that fact, you feel it is your top priority to throw a shit fit at Snowy, the only person who is, right now, trying to warn others that they ought not mess with other people's lives, the very thing you're complaining about. Somehow, you believe if you put on a good enough show, well all ignore the weakness of your logic. Meanwhile, it seems that although your arrival here is just another run of the mill manuever for you to subversively discredit legitimate questions, Snowy actually has more reason then you to actually complain. Which was what I perceived as having actually happened with regard to Anne chastising Snowy for talking to Quija, a conversation I doubt Snowy or Anne would ever include, based on the forum chatter. Yet Anne knew all about it, yet you and her are BFFs! But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, you should know that conversations about spalted wood isn't going to bring a big break to solve this case. I'm sorry Beag, but most peoples lives are just too unimportant to eavesdrop on. Not to mention that we have our own lives to tend to. Its very interesting you bring this up now in support of the very people you believe have orchistrated the demise you report on your blog. Digging deep, aren't you? But I appreciate the publicity. You might want to read the note: "Posting dates reflect sequence only. They do not correspond to narrative dates."
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Beagle
Shelburne Falls, MA
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Grandma wrote: <quoted text>Also, spalted isn't a secret word that only you use. That's right, "spalted" is not a secret word that only I use. But it's not a word that is used much by the average person. Its use is generally confined to woodworkers and people involved in the forest products business. It refers to a kind of decay that yields a certain look in finished wood products. Even if the word were known by more people, it still isn't one that is used often. And it is virtually never used in connection with collecting rocks, shells, and feathers. Rocks, shells, and bird feathers are commonly found on the beach, perhaps a Cape Cod beach previously referenced by Quija. Driftwood might be found on the beach, but spalted wood on the beach is rare. The decay necessary to yield the black lines is very, very unlikely to occur in something you could pick up - "collect" - on a beach. In short, "spalted wood" is very inconsistent with rocks, shells, and feathers. You show more interest in disqualifying my post about spalted wood than you do in seeing its potential meaning, its potential use. Quija's reference to spalted wood and the onslaught of defensiveness about it speak volumes.
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Beagle
Shelburne Falls, MA
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dawn sunrise wrote: oh beagle....... your beag, john and grandma today.. i tell you .. you give it away in the writing style. BE SAFE hmmmmmmm Truly a big negative to that. I did not post anything under the John or Grandma monikers. Those monikers definitely come from some other (very defensive) source.
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Beagle
Shelburne Falls, MA
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Since Det. Columbo (aka Grandma, John, K-9 handler, et al) knew that I visited the Amherst Motel, and became kind of concerned about it, I would say gets around more than he admits.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>
That's right, "spalted" is not a secret word that only I use. But it's not a word that is used much by the average person. Its use is generally confined to woodworkers and people involved in the forest products business. It refers to a kind of decay that yields a certain look in finished wood products. Even if the word were known by more people, it still isn't one that is used often. And it is virtually never used in connection with collecting rocks, shells, and feathers. Rocks, shells, and bird feathers are commonly found on the beach, perhaps a Cape Cod beach previously referenced by Quija. Driftwood might be found on the beach, but spalted wood on the beach is rare. The decay necessary to yield the black lines is very, very unlikely to occur in something you could pick up - "collect" - on a beach. In short, "spalted wood" is very inconsistent with rocks, shells, and feathers.
You show more interest in disqualifying my post about spalted wood than you do in seeing its potential meaning, its potential use.
Quija's reference to spalted wood and the onslaught of defensiveness about it speak volumes. wrong again. i omitted additional info about Quija's numerous hobbies, as it is not mine to share. you've veered off in the wrong direction. trust me.
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Beagle
Shelburne Falls, MA
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Of course, fictive or not, you might consider paying more attention to the covered bridge artist.
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Grandma
Lafayette, CA
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>
You show ... interest in disqualifying ... If you think I can do a better job, I'm open to suggestions. How can I be more effective, yet less obvious? Subtile and cunning, yet to the point and direct? As a sign of good faith, I've come up with an idea. I suggest you make a deal with your eavesdroppers. Just ask them what they want know and then agree when you will answer their questions whilst on the phone. At least you'll have your privacy the rest of the time. Its not a big deal, they seem to want to know things like your taste in wood, or maybe what color most of your clothes are. Who knows. You might not want to make the deal though. If they can simply get the information they want, but it would be a kind thing to do. Plus its good for the environment. Downside is that someone will be out of a job. Maybe that person will work for Walmart or UPS, if they are lucky. With the economy the way it is, everybody has to cut costs. But since this must be a top priority, they just can't cut the costs further. It is very costly and time consuming for them to listen to all of your conversations. Then they got to keep all those records. More storage costs. Plus, its a pretty inefficient use of their time and probably pretty boring, after all the juiciest gossip they have been able to reveal is that you are one had spalted wood in your possession. Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention that I noticed that reference to the Da vinci code I was talking about with Hilda the library lady yesterday. No one talks about that book any more, but there you are.
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