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hannah_b wrote:
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She didnīt drive the Saturn back to Amherst. It was towed part of the way. There have been a lot of discussion on earlier forums about this, how Maura reportedly was more or less hysterical and refused to drive the Saturn, how Fred insisted she did, and how the Saturn was towed part of the way.
Are you sure about that Hannah? I've heard the same thing but I though it was determined to be untrue, that she did actually drive it back to Amherst. Didn't Sharon say she got her the AAA long distance towing package but then she didn't end up actually using it?
I'd be interested if there was any way to actually confirm any of this because that would be actual evidence that her car really was bad, which so far I've seen very little besides her family saying it and a lot of things the family has said have turned out to be BS.

I guess one of the only things we know for sure here is the car was on the south shore for the winter break.

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Hannah- How is this "presumed eating disorder" "reportedly getting out of control"???
Where exactly did you hear that?
Who reported that??
I've heard people that didn't know her speculate that she might have had an eating disorder, but that's people who never met her.
I've never heard anyone that knew her say she had an eating disorder, certainly never heard anyone "report" that it was getting out of control, nothing of the sort.
Where are you getting your info from?
Do you have a link or quote from a friend or a family member that state's anything even remotely like that?
IDK, but from what I've seen in my life I haven't seen girls with eating disorders who run track exceptionally and hike 20 mile hikes. She must have been pretty damn healthy to do that.
So where was this reported? WHy is it presumed she had an eatng disorder and what is a reliable source that reported it to be out of control?? I've never seen anything like whay you're saying. I've seen anonymous people online who never met her speculate this, but nothing reliable. Based off how healthy she must've be I'd say presumably she DIDN'T have an eating disorder.
Hey BIll, SNowy, Wowzer- where the hell are you guys on this one?
I thought you guys are here to stop the spread of bullshit as fact. this seems like a prime example but you're nowhere to be found, what a surprise.
Another shining example of how full of shit you guys are; anybody can say anything they want as long as it supports the she got lost in the woods theory or it makes maura look bad.
People can talk about her "eating disorder" like it's a fact and you guys say nothing, but you get on my ass for saying she wore tight jeans, which she did!!! just like every other girl in the world that's not a skater chick or raver, etc...
Just more proof you guys are so completely full of shit, you're not here to stop the spread of bullshit, you're not hear to prevent bullshit from becoming fact. So why are you here?
As far as I can tell you're hear to ty to convince people she got lost in the woods &/or disrupt the conversation from actually getting anywhere useful. you jump on me for saying her jeans were tight, could you guys possibly be any more full of shit?
How are you guys so dishonest? How do you justify being trolls on a thread about a missing n probably murdered girl?? How do you justify telling lies on a thread like this?
WHat is your agenda? WHy do you care so much? WTH is going on here??
Bob wrote:***Hey BIll, SNowy, Wowzer- where the hell are you guys on this one?
I thought you guys are here to stop the spread of bullshit as fact. this seems like a prime example but you're nowhere to be found, what a surprise.
Another shining example of how full of shit you guys are; anybody can say anything they want as long as it supports the she got lost in the woods theory or it makes maura look bad.***
Holy crap Bob!! You're spinning out of control again. My agenda right now is to get all my Christmas shopping done before the stores get very crowded. I do have a life outside of Topix and don't have time to stay up all night ranting about stupid things.
I imagine snowy and Bill are most likely working or likewise living life outside of Topix but I'm sure they will answer for themselves when they have the time.
And Bob I've never said that I only believe that she got lost in the woods. While it's a possibility so is suicide, starting a new life and the least likely IMO that she was abducted. And I have NEVER tried to make Maura look bad.
So Bob it seems the only one here full of shi* is you.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
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Interesting Hannah, thanks for the answer. I'm gonna have to go take a lok at advocates forum cuz all I've ever seen is speculation that she had an eating disorder I've never seen anything from her friends or family that actually confirmed this.
So your saying that the family did confirm she had an eating disorder in high school?
That would explain her using the stolen cc to buy food with
This discussion was on Advīs second forum, which is no longer available, not the forumer21.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
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Are you sure about that Hannah? I've heard the same thing but I though it was determined to be untrue, that she did actually drive it back to Amherst. Didn't Sharon say she got her the AAA long distance towing package but then she didn't end up actually using it?
I'd be interested if there was any way to actually confirm any of this because that would be actual evidence that her car really was bad, which so far I've seen very little besides her family saying it and a lot of things the family has said have turned out to be BS.
I guess one of the only things we know for sure here is the car was on the south shore for the winter break.
It was never "determined" one way or the other. While I canīt prove it, once again we have an unsubstantiated rumor that fits very well with other stuff, like Mauraīs sister referring to her as a "drama queen" and "jewish princess".
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This (my previous post) is why I believe something happened over christmas break involving the Saturn. Did she drive the Saturn to and from the Goshen party? Ride with someone else? Who?
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The abundance of nuts and spam ikons tells me someone isnīt comfortable with the subject of my posts.
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Below is a post from an older topix thread, posted by Anonymous to the Topix Amherst forum, July 23 2009:

"I lived in Thoreau dormitory in Southwest in 2004 when Maura disappeared. Maura often worked security in my building and I would see her running on campus. Friends that lived on her floor in Kennedy told me that she allegedly suffered from a terrible case of bullimia and was stealing credit numbers from discarded takeout receipts left in the trash room. I heard this from people who were friends with people who had their cc numbers stolen. I believe the school was aware of the situation and it was said that Maura may have been facing disciplinary and/or criminal proceedings. I don't know how true this is as I heard it secondhand from Maura's neighbors. I hope this information helps."
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Anonymous, Topix Amherst forum, July 25 2009:

"...she was stealing the cc numbers to pay for her binges bc she was short on money and didn't make enough working security to support her food binges. from what i understnad she would order food and binge in her room avoiding the stares of other students in the caf ..."

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hannah_b wrote:
Below is a post from an older topix thread, posted by Anonymous to the Topix Amherst forum, July 23 2009:
"I lived in Thoreau dormitory in Southwest in 2004 when Maura disappeared. Maura often worked security in my building and I would see her running on campus. Friends that lived on her floor in Kennedy told me that she allegedly suffered from a terrible case of bullimia and was stealing credit numbers from discarded takeout receipts left in the trash room. I heard this from people who were friends with people who had their cc numbers stolen. I believe the school was aware of the situation and it was said that Maura may have been facing disciplinary and/or criminal proceedings. I don't know how true this is as I heard it secondhand from Maura's neighbors. I hope this information helps."
Interesting Hannah, thanks for digging that up. I forgot about the topix Amherst thread, there's some interesting stuff written on it for sure.

Regarding the disciplinary action they referenced: that is something I never understood, how was Maura not suspended for stealing the cc? Stealing from other students is def frowned upon and gettin arrested generally gets someone suspended or expelled, she likely would've been suspended for a semester. When I first learned that the cc fraud was confirmed by renner that was the first thing I thought, was that either she was suspended or was going to have to face the disciplinary board and be suspended so she cut out of there.
Colleges go by their own set of rules and they don't care if the person is convicted or not, generally if you get arrested you will be suspended for the next semester. Since her arrest happened at the end of the fall semester her hearing likely would've been in the first week or two of the spring semester, which is exactly when she left campus.
Honestly I think that's probably the most likely reason for her leaving like that, either she was suspended or just of sheer embarrassment, it seems like the cc thing was starting to go around campus & she must've been wicked embarrassed by the whole thing.

But I can't see her NOT being suspended or at the very least put on disciplinary probation, stealing from other students is usually a pretty major offense. I find it interesting we've never heard anything about that. I get the feeling that once she went missing the school decided to leave that little tidbit out. They probably didn't want to make themselves look bad by making her look bad after she went missing. I can see the school being worried about looking bad.
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Remember the 911 calls the night of the accident? The Hanover log that was deemed evidentiary and not released... The only call that has ever been mentioned in connection with Hanover is SBD 911 call. Clearly something was relayed in this call that could identify some person or reveal what happened at or near the accident scene. It makes me believe I was right in that SBD knew more than he told/was allowed to tell, hence the discrepancies in his statements to media.
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Thanks for the backfill today, hannah. I don't want to educate Bob because he'll just windup and start swinging all over again through the nite. Anyway, he is inclined to rewrite the story according to The Book of Bob. I appreciate it when someone else deals with it.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Bob wrote:***Hey BIll, SNowy, Wowzer- where the hell are you guys on this one?
I thought you guys are here to stop the spread of bullshit as fact. this seems like a prime example but you're nowhere to be found, what a surprise.
Another shining example of how full of shit you guys are; anybody can say anything they want as long as it supports the she got lost in the woods theory or it makes maura look bad.***
Holy crap Bob!! You're spinning out of control again. My agenda right now is to get all my Christmas shopping done before the stores get very crowded. I do have a life outside of Topix and don't have time to stay up all night ranting about stupid things.
I imagine snowy and Bill are most likely working or likewise living life outside of Topix but I'm sure they will answer for themselves when they have the time.
And Bob I've never said that I only believe that she got lost in the woods. While it's a possibility so is suicide, starting a new life and the least likely IMO that she was abducted. And I have NEVER tried to make Maura look bad.
So Bob it seems the only one here full of shi* is you.
hey,Wowzer, on p. 1374, alone, i count 8 Jenky posts/rants. incredibly long ones, too.
i'm thinking of dinner right now after a long, busy, productive day where i need to think and write coherently.
Christmas is a high priority during spare time.
i do love to check in. like Bill, when you step back after adding two cents here and there, the forum provides a few chuckles. that's entertainment.:)
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I have just read the news.I am sick to my stomache thinking the coward has possibly left so many families without answers.I could never rule him out in Maura&Briannas cases..
why was he in an Alaskin prison?

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hey,Wowzer, on p. 1374, alone, i count 8 Jenky posts/rants. incredibly long ones, too.
i'm thinking of dinner right now after a long, busy, productive day where i need to think and write coherently.
Christmas is a high priority during spare time.
i do love to check in. like Bill, when you step back after adding two cents here and there, the forum provides a few chuckles. that's entertainment.:)
Yep I noticed that. I think someone was drinking too many energy drinks last night.LOL
Christmas is a busy time of year but I love it.

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hannah_b wrote:
Remember the 911 calls the night of the accident? The Hanover log that was deemed evidentiary and not released... The only call that has ever been mentioned in connection with Hanover is SBD 911 call. Clearly something was relayed in this call that could identify some person or reveal what happened at or near the accident scene. It makes me believe I was right in that SBD knew more than he told/was allowed to tell, hence the discrepancies in his statements to media.
I agree completely, the sbd knew a lot more than he was saying IMO. That's an interesting point that you make regarding his 911 call not being released due to its evidentiary nature. Damn I wonder what was said on that call that made them feel the call was evidentiary in nature.

To me the question isn't so much whether and knew more than he told the media, it is more what he told to LE. I think sbd saw something that night and he was scared to say it. I think this explains the lies to the media. Perhaps he didn't want the potential perp to know that he knew?
Just for the sake of argument let's say he knew who killed her. After a few weeks, which is when he started talkin to the media maybe he realized that LE didn't have anything on the perp except what he said. That could be a scary proposition to know that there's a killer out there who knows who you are and where your family lived? If that's not a reason to lie to the media and say you didnt see anything then IDK what is, that could be a damn good reason actually. If the person is crazy enough to kill Maura then obviously this person might be crazy enough to kill him and his wife too. That probably wouldn't happen but I could see him Being afraid of it, anybody probably would, that's a scary propostion. I wonder if he told LE what he knew or if he kept quiet to them as well.
It is rather intesting that his call to 911, I believe his wife actually made the call, was kept secret while the Westman's call was made public, what was said on that call that made LE feel that there was evidence on the call?

I seriously doubt he knew this person killed her, witnessed it or anything like that but I'm sure he could've put two and two together. Who wants to be the wtness who saw a young girl get abducted by some nut?

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>why was he in an Alaskin prison?
Citigirl he was from Alaska and was facing trial there in federal court for the kidnap and murder of an 18 year old girl that was working in a coffee stand in Alaska when she was kidnapped.
I watched today on TV as they told what he did to the Curriers in VT. So very sad and hard to understand how someone can be so filled with evil.
WCAX online has much information.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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Citigirl he was from Alaska and was facing trial there in federal court for the kidnap and murder of an 18 year old girl that was working in a coffee stand in Alaska when she was kidnapped.
I watched today on TV as they told what he did to the Curriers in VT. So very sad and hard to understand how someone can be so filled with evil.
WCAX online has much information.
thank you for the info Wowzer.Very sad when you think of some of the evilness in the world today.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
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I agree completely, the sbd knew a lot more than he was saying IMO. That's an interesting point that you make regarding his 911 call not being released due to its evidentiary nature. Damn I wonder what was said on that call that made them feel the call was evidentiary in nature.
To me the question isn't so much whether and knew more than he told the media, it is more what he told to LE. I think sbd saw something that night and he was scared to say it. I think this explains the lies to the media. Perhaps he didn't want the potential perp to know that he knew?
Just for the sake of argument let's say he knew who killed her. After a few weeks, which is when he started talkin to the media maybe he realized that LE didn't have anything on the perp except what he said. That could be a scary proposition to know that there's a killer out there who knows who you are and where your family lived? If that's not a reason to lie to the media and say you didnt see anything then IDK what is, that could be a damn good reason actually. If the person is crazy enough to kill Maura then obviously this person might be crazy enough to kill him and his wife too. That probably wouldn't happen but I could see him Being afraid of it, anybody probably would, that's a scary propostion. I wonder if he told LE what he knew or if he kept quiet to them as well.
It is rather intesting that his call to 911, I believe his wife actually made the call, was kept secret while the Westman's call was made public, what was said on that call that made LE feel that there was evidence on the call?
I seriously doubt he knew this person killed her, witnessed it or anything like that but I'm sure he could've put two and two together. Who wants to be the wtness who saw a young girl get abducted by some nut?
I believe he may have seen her entering a vehicle. There has been a lot of talk on the forums about what SBD could or could not see from where he was sitting in his bus filling out paperwork. I think most agreed that he should have had a virtually unobstructed view all the way to the Saturn. Clearly, since his call is evidentiary, the other witnessī not, he did see something.
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BobJenkins-OG wrote:
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I agree completely, the sbd knew a lot more than he was saying IMO. That's an interesting point that you make regarding his 911 call not being released due to its evidentiary nature. Damn I wonder what was said on that call that made them feel the call was evidentiary in nature.
To me the question isn't so much whether and knew more than he told the media, it is more what he told to LE. I think sbd saw something that night and he was scared to say it. I think this explains the lies to the media. Perhaps he didn't want the potential perp to know that he knew?
Just for the sake of argument let's say he knew who killed her. After a few weeks, which is when he started talkin to the media maybe he realized that LE didn't have anything on the perp except what he said. That could be a scary proposition to know that there's a killer out there who knows who you are and where your family lived? If that's not a reason to lie to the media and say you didnt see anything then IDK what is, that could be a damn good reason actually. If the person is crazy enough to kill Maura then obviously this person might be crazy enough to kill him and his wife too. That probably wouldn't happen but I could see him Being afraid of it, anybody probably would, that's a scary propostion. I wonder if he told LE what he knew or if he kept quiet to them as well.
It is rather intesting that his call to 911, I believe his wife actually made the call, was kept secret while the Westman's call was made public, what was said on that call that made LE feel that there was evidence on the call?
I seriously doubt he knew this person killed her, witnessed it or anything like that but I'm sure he could've put two and two together. Who wants to be the wtness who saw a young girl get abducted by some nut?
SBD made a phone call that went to Hanover dispatch because he tried to call 911 and all circuits were busy. On the return call back to SBDs house it was answered by B.

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hannah_b wrote:
Remember the 911 calls the night of the accident? The Hanover log that was deemed evidentiary and not released... The only call that has ever been mentioned in connection with Hanover is SBD 911 call. Clearly something was relayed in this call that could identify some person or reveal what happened at or near the accident scene. It makes me believe I was right in that SBD knew more than he told/was allowed to tell, hence the discrepancies in his statements to media.
Hannah where are you getting the information that the log info was not released? Could you please provide a link because I just read in the dispatch log what was said about the accident and what SBD's wife said when their house was called back.
What is it that was deemed evidentiary and not released?

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