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hannah_b wrote:

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I believe he may have seen her entering a vehicle. There has been a lot of talk on the forums about what SBD could or could not see from where he was sitting in his bus filling out paperwork. I think most agreed that he should have had a virtually unobstructed view all the way to the Saturn. Clearly, since his call is evidentiary, the other witness´ not, he did see something.

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Umm his view would not have been unobstructed. There was a small patch of woods next to his house which would have made it difficult to see the accident scene. And it was dark out with no streetlight to see the car.
Did any that agreed he should have had a virtually unobstructed view ever go to that area or stand in his driveway to see?

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Hannah where are you getting the information that the log info was not released? Could you please provide a link because I just read in the dispatch log what was said about the accident and what SBD's wife said when their house was called back.
What is it that was deemed evidentiary and not released?

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hannah_b wrote:

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I have no idea, Wowzer. In any case he should have been able to see the spot where the scent trail ended, which is where Maura likely entered a vehicle, right?

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>why was he in an Alaskin prison?

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OKAYt wrote:

<quoted text>i do love to check in. like Bill, when you step back after adding two cents here and there, the forum provides a few chuckles. that's entertainment.:)

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BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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I agree completely, the sbd knew a lot more than he was saying IMO. That's an interesting point that you make regarding his 911 call not being released due to its evidentiary nature. Damn I wonder what was said on that call that made them feel the call was evidentiary in nature.
To me the question isn't so much whether and knew more than he told the media, it is more what he told to LE. I think sbd saw something that night and he was scared to say it. I think this explains the lies to the media. Perhaps he didn't want the potential perp to know that he knew?
Just for the sake of argument let's say he knew who killed her. After a few weeks, which is when he started talkin to the media maybe he realized that LE didn't have anything on the perp except what he said. That could be a scary proposition to know that there's a killer out there who knows who you are and where your family lived? If that's not a reason to lie to the media and say you didnt see anything then IDK what is, that could be a damn good reason actually. If the person is crazy enough to kill Maura then obviously this person might be crazy enough to kill him and his wife too. That probably wouldn't happen but I could see him Being afraid of it, anybody probably would, that's a scary propostion. I wonder if he told LE what he knew or if he kept quiet to them as well.
It is rather intesting that his call to 911, I believe his wife actually made the call, was kept secret while the Westman's call was made public, what was said on that call that made LE feel that there was evidence on the call?
I seriously doubt he knew this person killed her, witnessed it or anything like that but I'm sure he could've put two and two together. Who wants to be the wtness who saw a young girl get abducted by some nut?

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I see you are modifying your SIM COLD CASE game. You are posting this with knowledge that MM was missing for 9 years. If SBD saw her get into a car - what would make him think immediate "abduction". In your older SIM COLD CASE games you have mentioned how people crash and leave the cars at the side of the road and get a ride. "This is common practice." What would make SBD who sees MM get into a car by her own power think "abduction." I would think if he saw her get into a car he would tell LE that they don't need to search for her because she is in a car.
Before you answer this post - please know that this games modifiers have been set where there have been no witnesses who heard any screams or any evidence of MM being forced into a car.

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Ridiculous wrote:

Bill, from Bob's previous post; " says they think he robbed a bank down south? wth? "
Clearly Bob is perturbed that Mr. Keyes would have the audacity to rob a southern bank and would like some input from you, wth. What say you to this alarming accusation that a suspected Serial Killer would go so far past the social acceptable norms of civilized behavior and and make an unauthorized withdrawal from a southern bank?
Emmet, being from the south, or at least being one who lives there now, can you tell us what this has done to the banking Industry in general? Do you feel that Mister Keyes untimely departure will leave the industry with more questions than answers? If in fact this Withdrawal was committed,do you believe the industry can recover?
Lastly, if mister Keyes left a detailed note explaining this withdrawal, do you think it will provide the southern banking community with the closure it deserves?

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Ridiculous wrote:

Bill, from Bob's previous post; " says they think he robbed a bank down south? wth? "
Clearly Bob is perturbed that Mr. Keyes would have the audacity to rob a southern bank and would like some input from you, wth. What say you to this alarming accusation that a suspected Serial Killer would go so far past the social acceptable norms of civilized behavior and and make an unauthorized withdrawal from a southern bank?
Emmet, being from the south, or at least being one who lives there now, can you tell us what this has done to the banking Industry in general? Do you feel that Mister Keyes untimely departure will leave the industry with more questions than answers? If in fact this Withdrawal was committed,do you believe the industry can recover?
Lastly, if mister Keyes left a detailed note explaining this withdrawal, do you think it will provide the southern banking community with the closure it deserves?

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Hannah where are you getting the information that the log info was not released? Could you please provide a link because I just read in the dispatch log what was said about the accident and what SBD's wife said when their house was called back.
What is it that was deemed evidentiary and not released?

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Ridiculous wrote:

Bill, from Bob's previous post; " says they think he robbed a bank down south? wth? "
Clearly Bob is perturbed that Mr. Keyes would have the audacity to rob a southern bank and would like some input from you, wth. What say you to this alarming accusation that a suspected Serial Killer would go so far past the social acceptable norms of civilized behavior and and make an unauthorized withdrawal from a southern bank?
Emmet, being from the south, or at least being one who lives there now, can you tell us what this has done to the banking Industry in general? Do you feel that Mister Keyes untimely departure will leave the industry with more questions than answers? If in fact this Withdrawal was committed,do you believe the industry can recover?
Lastly, if mister Keyes left a detailed note explaining this withdrawal, do you think it will provide the southern banking community with the closure it deserves?

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whatif wrote:

a couple things about keyes stand out to me:
"He robbed banks, and used the money he made as a general contractor, to pay for his excursions, the FBI said."
wasn't the a-frame house under construction at the time of maura's disappearance, and also where cadaver dogs hit on something in a closet? could keyes have been a general contractor on part of the construction, making him familiar with the area even if he still wasn't on the job there?
"The FBI said that Keyes, 34, would fly to a city, rent a car and drive hundreds if not thousands of miles away -- sometimes to kill... Keyes looked for victims in remote locations: parks, campgrounds, trail heads, cemeteries and boating areas."
this kind of speaks for itself in regards to the location where maura was last seen.
what if maura was abducted by keyes in a truly random attack that was simply because, at some point between amherst and the weathered barn, their paths crossed by chance? what if keyes had been a contractor in the area and the sbd recognized him or his vehicle that night? what if sbd was afraid to say what he knew because keyes, though not local, might have been known as an "odd duck" to the locals and they were wary of him?
the above quotes came from this article:
http://www.adn.com/2012/12/03/2712275/suspect...

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Shack wrote:

Ever since the ending of the families forum, there has been seemingly the blaming of the victim/and her family.
Yes, Maura is a victim....she is not here to defend.

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hannah_b wrote:

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The A-frame was not under construction at the time. It was inhabited by a previously named man and his girlfriend. CW´s house was under construction at the time.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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If MM turns out to be alive and well somewhere in another state. Would we then be the victims, or would we be the suckers?