Maura Murray

I'd never heard of that guy but most banks I know are FDIC insured.. They get robbed a lot down south & still stay open.. Other than that idk much about banking, just not to deposit over a certain amount or Feds watch you.. Or over drafting cost a lot of extra money & I don't trust bankers cus down here they always get caught embezzling monies...

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I see you are modifying your SIM COLD CASE game. You are posting this with knowledge that MM was missing for 9 years. If SBD saw her get into a car - what would make him think immediate "abduction". In your older SIM COLD CASE games you have mentioned how people crash and leave the cars at the side of the road and get a ride. "This is common practice." What would make SBD who sees MM get into a car by her own power think "abduction." I would think if he saw her get into a car he would tell LE that they don't need to search for her because she is in a car.
Before you answer this post - please know that this games modifiers have been set where there have been no witnesses who heard any screams or any evidence of MM being forced into a car.

you are correct. hindsight is 20/20 when all-knowing-Bob puts together his story, and embellishes it with adjectives that suit his fancy.

further, there is no evidence of a physical struggle, which might include sounds, scattered belongings, blood or items left out of place, to name a few variables.
the time window for abduction is also very narrow.

SBD rolls in his grave.

hannah_b wrote:

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Victims of our own foolishness, maybe. We´re all suckers just by being here.

not victims. each of us has free will and chooses to be here. i also don't believe BS when i smell it. not a victim.

thanks for the correction, hannah_b. i remember reading about construction going on in the area at the time of maura's disappearance and i thought i remembered reading it was the a-frame that was under construction. likely it was another location as you and mcsmom have indicated.

I hear this story, tons from her father and her "future mother in law," friends and her boyfriend... But I end up thinking -- where the heck is her MOM in all of this? I end up wondering how controlling, subtly manipulatively so, is her own mother, possibly from the shadows, here?
I may have missed mentions of her mother outside of "her ankle was hurting so she didn't join the search party," but even so -- can any mother not join a search party for her own daughter, broken ankle or even back?(!) Just doesn't... ring genuine, that.

I just watched the ID Disappeared episode about Maura again and I truly believe every word FM says. I don't buy the "looking at the ground=lying" deal. I think he truly regrets not getting her that Prism before she left. As always, just my opinion.

Jenn wrote:

I hear this story, tons from her father and her "future mother in law," friends and her boyfriend... But I end up thinking -- where the heck is her MOM in all of this? I end up wondering how controlling, subtly manipulatively so, is her own mother, possibly from the shadows, here?
I may have missed mentions of her mother outside of "her ankle was hurting so she didn't join the search party," but even so -- can any mother not join a search party for her own daughter, broken ankle or even back?(!) Just doesn't... ring genuine, that.

her mother was suffering from cancer, and eventually died on Maura's birthday in 2009.
http://whitmanhansonexpress.com/obituaries/25...

hannah_b wrote:

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Here´s an older post on the subject of the Hanover dispatch log:
Mcsmom on topix, Oct 20, 2010:
"Peri wrote to Stelzin, and she recieved a letter from his office.
Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: Strelzin's letter
Just received word from Strelzin, that the Hanover logs have not been released with the others because they are evidentiary, these are not his exact words, but these logs will not be forthcoming, they have been exempt from freedom of information."

odd considering this has been an ongoing investigation since the time Maura disappeared.

OKAY wrote:

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her mother was suffering from cancer, and eventually died on Maura's birthday in 2009.
http://whitmanhansonexpress.com/obituaries/25...

you are correct her Mom was very ill and died on Mauras birthday in 2009.

mcsmom wrote:

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I might be wrong about this, but I think some other houses in the area of the A frame were under construction at the time.

I dont recall seeing other houses near the AFrame being under construction. But there was definitly construction going on in other areas .

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Umm his view would not have been unobstructed. There was a small patch of woods next to his house which would have made it difficult to see the accident scene. And it was dark out with no streetlight to see the car.
Did any that agreed he should have had a virtually unobstructed view ever go to that area or stand in his driveway to see?

Wowzer I did go there at night several times. You are correct there were no streetlights.SBDs yard was well lite up as well as part of the street in his vicinity do to the light that was in his yard.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I doubt he would have been able to see anyone walking in the dark but headlights and brakelights would have been noticed only if it was directly across from his driveway. Any further and his large garage where antiques were sold would have been blocking the view.

There was a streetlight installed at the end of his driveway so he could back his bus in easier, wasn't there?
Also there was snow on the ground and snowbanks, if someone walked by his house and he was lookinf he would've been able to see them without much difficulty, it's much easier to see at night during the winter when there's snow on the ground.
But that's only IF he was looking, which we know he wasn't looking the whole time. So while he could've seen her if he was looking at the correct time, that doesn't mean he was looking at the right time.

Remember that the sbd believed she got picked up by one of the several cars that he saw drive by his house in the minutes after he left her at the car. There is a direct quote from him where he says he believes she got a ride from one of those cars.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

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There was a streetlight installed at the end of his driveway so he could back his bus in easier, wasn't there?
Also there was snow on the ground and snowbanks, if someone walked by his house and he was lookinf he would've been able to see them without much difficulty, it's much easier to see at night during the winter when there's snow on the ground.
But that's only IF he was looking, which we know he wasn't looking the whole time. So while he could've seen her if he was looking at the correct time, that doesn't mean he was looking at the right time.
Remember that the sbd believed she got picked up by one of the several cars that he saw drive by his house in the minutes after he left her at the car. There is a direct quote from him where he says he believes she got a ride from one of those cars.

no there was no street light at the end of SBDs driveway. He had no driveway. Just parked the buses on his property in front of his house.There was a light on his property close to his house.Dont forget SBD came home went in his house and then came back out and went into his bus.

findmaura wrote:

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For the abduction&killing of a young girl Samantha Koenig..there is a map of his movements that actually pinpoint Maura&Brianna.
The FBI released a PDF document today where it was mentioned hhe burned evidence in The white mountains Ntl Forest..Also,he admitted to killing an essex Vt. couple..Its been confirmed he was a serial killer.
There is a VERY active Facebook page titled:Have you ever met Israel Keyes?A possible serial killer.

thank you for this info.

I thought SBD's property had floodlights. Also,
Westman's barn had a floodlight over the door high up in the eaves.
I don't remember any street lights.

findmaura wrote:

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For the abduction&killing of a young girl Samantha Koenig..there is a map of his movements that actually pinpoint Maura&Brianna.
The FBI released a PDF document today where it was mentioned hhe burned evidence in The white mountains Ntl Forest..Also,he admitted to killing an essex Vt. couple..Its been confirmed he was a serial killer.
There is a VERY active Facebook page titled:Have you ever met Israel Keyes?A possible serial killer.

I have to ask the same question. What PDF are you referring to? The only two I have found both state nothing about the White mountains national forest and don't even talk about February 2004.

The one I see 10/05/2004 to 10/16/2004 Eastern US

The only talk about any other time it says that Keyes lived in Washington from 2001 to March 2007.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9w3awDuyAUc...

Bill

According to the Israel Keyes FB he was on the east coast during October of '04, like bill just posted above.

Doesn't that eliminate him as a suspect or both Maura and Bri? Was those dates just times they knew he travelled and he may have travelled more times than that or is that the only time he was on the east coast?

Also it looks like he admitted to the crimes that he committed, they listed off the states that he supposedly killed people in.
I think it's safe to say that he is not connected to Maura or Bri's dissapearances in any way.

When I said "he robbed a bank down south? wth?" I said WTH out of sheer amazement. Certainly not anger like lighthouse suggested, idk where the hell she came up with that, and certainly had nothing to do with whether the bank was southern or northern. It was strictly out of disbelief, this guy was runnin around the country abducting women and robbing banks? It's just like WTH? People like this actually exist? I was also pretty surprised to learn that he robbed a bank in addition to all the women he killed.
I don't understand why me saying WTH about that was even brought up by anyone, who gives a shit?. Why is it you guys look soooooo hard to find any little problem with my posts?? I find It rather amusing that you guys clearly look soooo hard and yet you always come up with the weakest critisisms. I said WTH after saying he robbed a bank? Oh no! I described her jeans as being tight, which they were. You guys really got me on that one!! LoL, come on people.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I have to ask the same question. What PDF are you referring to? The only two I have found both state nothing about the White mountains national forest and don't even talk about February 2004.
The one I see 10/05/2004 to 10/16/2004 Eastern US
The only talk about any other time it says that Keyes lived in Washington from 2001 to March 2007.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9w3awDuyAUc...
Bill

I will try and dig up the FBI PDF again discussing White mtn national forest.
If you go to the Israel Keyes facebook page an updated timeline posted today(its posted in the Albums tab).In that timeline are photos of Maura&Brianna.Keyes traveled between upstate NY&Maine..Noone knows all of his travel dates.

BobJenkins-OG wrote:

According to the Israel Keyes FB he was on the east coast during October of '04, like bill just posted above.
Doesn't that eliminate him as a suspect or both Maura and Bri? Was those dates just times they knew he travelled and he may have travelled more times than that or is that the only time he was on the east coast?
Also it looks like he admitted to the crimes that he committed, they listed off the states that he supposedly killed people in.
I think it's safe to say that he is not connected to Maura or Bri's dissapearances in any way.
When I said "he robbed a bank down south? wth?" I said WTH out of sheer amazement. Certainly not anger like lighthouse suggested, idk where the hell she came up with that, and certainly had nothing to do with whether the bank was southern or northern. It was strictly out of disbelief, this guy was runnin around the country abducting women and robbing banks? It's just like WTH? People like this actually exist? I was also pretty surprised to learn that he robbed a bank in addition to all the women he killed.
I don't understand why me saying WTH about that was even brought up by anyone, who gives a shit?. Why is it you guys look soooooo hard to find any little problem with my posts?? I find It rather amusing that you guys clearly look soooo hard and yet you always come up with the weakest critisisms. I said WTH after saying he robbed a bank? Oh no! I described her jeans as being tight, which they were. You guys really got me on that one!! LoL, come on people.

It has not been ruled out it was related to Maura or Bri..Read up on him.He owned a home in The northeast&traveled to maine frequently.He hadnt finished spilling the beans.

Here is the link to an article that discusses Keyes burning evidence in the White Mtns NTL Forest..As for the FBI PDF,its late&god knows how to find it again.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/12/03/176239/...