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Jan 27, 2011
 
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really? i disagree. the reactive, tearful episode in the presence of her supervisor, and during which her supervisor was unable to calm her, was a clear sign of Maura's distress...then as it is today.
i suspect she learned of a circumstance or situation by phone which prompted Maura's response, which precipitated her flight from amherst.
you wrote:
"The major "handicap" if anyone wants to discuss "handicap" was the delay of searching for her caused by the perspective that Maura was a runaway or had committed suicide."
again, i disagree. there was not an appreciable delay in "searching" for her, especially since she didn't remain at the scene of the accident; nor does it appear that she appropriately sought assistance by accepting help offered, or by inquiring at any of 5 nearby homes.
i guess we've got to keep this thing going to keep you happy. why? this is a very limited audience. you'd be wiser to flail about in front of official investigators. maybe that would help. maybe.
I know you don't like to speculate much, and that's commendable. It keeps things from running riot. But from what you write, you seem, even if tentatively, to believe that Maura was in fact at the crash scene on Rt 112 in Haverhill (by the WB) on Feb 9, 2004; and that what prompted her flight from Amherst to Haverhill, even if Haverhill was not her intended destination, has something to do with her having disappeared from the scene of the crash.

IOW, something happened in Amherst hours or days before her departure that sparked her departure, and that she did end up at the crash scene in Haverhill but vanished from it as the result of something to do with whatever caused her to leave Amherst in the first place.

Is this about right? Sorry, not trying to speak for you, just trying to get it clear. Thank you.
Beagle

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If you think I can do a better job, I'm open to suggestions. How can I be more effective, yet less obvious? Subtile and cunning, yet to the point and direct?
As a sign of good faith, I've come up with an idea. I suggest you make a deal with your eavesdroppers. Just ask them what they want know and then agree when you will answer their questions


whilst

on the phone. At least you'll have your privacy the rest of the time. Its not a big deal, they seem to want to know things like your taste in wood, or maybe what color most of your clothes are. Who knows.
You might not want to make the deal though. If they can simply get the information they want, but it would be a kind thing to do. Plus its good for the environment. Downside is that someone will be out of a job. Maybe that person will work for Walmart or UPS, if they are lucky.
With the economy the way it is, everybody has to cut costs. But since this must be a top priority, they just can't cut the costs further. It is very costly and time consuming for them to listen to all of your conversations. Then they got to keep all those records. More storage costs. Plus, its a pretty inefficient use of their time and probably pretty boring, after all the juiciest gossip they have been able to reveal is that you are one had spalted wood in your possession.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention that I noticed that reference to the Da vinci code I was talking about with Hilda the library lady yesterday. No one talks about that book any more, but there you are.
Whilst????

Is "whilst" a popular word in the North Country of NH?
Snowy

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Beagle wrote:
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I know you don't like to speculate much, and that's commendable. It keeps things from running riot. But from what you write, you seem, even if tentatively, to believe that Maura was in fact at the crash scene on Rt 112 in Haverhill (by the WB) on Feb 9, 2004; and that what prompted her flight from Amherst to Haverhill, even if Haverhill was not her intended destination, has something to do with her having disappeared from the scene of the crash.
IOW, something happened in Amherst hours or days before her departure that sparked her departure, and that she did end up at the crash scene in Haverhill but vanished from it as the result of something to do with whatever caused her to leave Amherst in the first place.
Is this about right? Sorry, not trying to speak for you, just trying to get it clear. Thank you.
sorry to be unclear...i'll try again. i'm applying pure donkey sense here.
i believe the phone call and its timing, after which she immediately broke down and was inconsolable, might have sparked/precipitated her departure from UMASS/Amherst. clearly, some "news" caused her to react.
most ppl. believe she was at the crash scene...and so, IF she was....THEN she did not avail herself of the help offered by SBD, nor did she seek help from any of the nearby 5 residences.
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Snowy wrote:
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sorry to be unclear...i'll try again. i'm applying pure donkey sense here.
i believe the phone call and its timing, after which she immediately broke down and was inconsolable, might have sparked/precipitated her departure from UMASS/Amherst. clearly, some "news" caused her to react.
most ppl. believe she was at the crash scene...and so, IF she was....THEN she did not avail herself of the help offered by SBD, nor did she seek help from any of the nearby 5 residences.
Thanks, even if it's donkey sense.

But, if she was at the crash scene, do you believe that whatever caused her to leave UMass/Amherst is related to her having vanishd from the crash scene?

IOW, if Maura was at the crash scene, was her disappearance from the crash scene directly related to what caused her to leave UMass/Amherst in the first place?

Sorry if I'm not clear about this. We are pretty sure that IF she was at the crash scene, she sure didn't seem to ask anyone nearby for help. She seems to have disappeared.

I'm just wondering if you believe that whatever prompted her to leave UMass also - if she was at the crash scene - was related to her having disappeared from Haverhill.

If she was with the Saturn in Haverhill, she sure seemed to have every opportunity to get help. It was not, as the TV show said, the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere. Maybe it was a quiet country road, but it wasn't above the Arctic
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Jan 28, 2011
 
Beagle wrote:
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Whilst????
Is "whilst" a popular word in the North Country of NH?
No, but I've taken the road less traveled, and it has made all the difference.
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Snowy wrote:
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really? i disagree. the reactive, tearful episode in the presence of her supervisor, and during which her supervisor was unable to calm her, was a clear sign of Maura's distress...then as it is today.
i suspect she learned of a circumstance or situation by phone which prompted Maura's response, which precipitated her flight from amherst.
you wrote:
"The major "handicap" if anyone wants to discuss "handicap" was the delay of searching for her caused by the perspective that Maura was a runaway or had committed suicide."
again, i disagree. there was not an appreciable delay in "searching" for her, especially since she didn't remain at the scene of the accident; nor does it appear that she appropriately sought assistance by accepting help offered, or by inquiring at any of 5 nearby homes.
i guess we've got to keep this thing going to keep you happy. why? this is a very limited audience. you'd be wiser to flail about in front of official investigators. maybe that would help. maybe.
You go right ahead and continue to believe and promote the idea, as your colleagues do, that Maura was a runaway or suicide victim. THIS is the very perspective, belief that has been a contributing factor to preventing this case from being solved. You would be wiser to flail about at a hair salon. "Appropriately" sought assistance by accepting help offered, or by inquiring at any of 5 nearby homes? This screams at us that Maura believed she had at least one, possibly more options available than that of knocking on the door of a stranger after dark. This of course may have been the case if the young woman driving the Saturn WAS Maura. Given that her father had told her about disabling a vehicle by placing a rag in the exhaust, I believe there is a strong possibility the driver of the Saturn WAS Maura. Her refusal to seek assistance from the locals tells me she was counting on, anticipating help from someone else. It does NOT make sense that she would take off after dark in 12-degree temperature, on foot for Bartlett, for example. She might not have had a lot of options....but given the fact she had not knocked on any doors (supposedly) tells us she had chosen another option. It is highly unlikely the locals had anything to do with her disappearance. The only connection was that this was the neighborhood in which her Saturn had left the highway.
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Rainbow Coalition wrote:
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No, but I've taken the road less traveled, and it has made all the difference.
Albeit cold, dark and foreboding...
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Snowy wrote:
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really? i disagree. the reactive, tearful episode in the presence of her supervisor, and during which her supervisor was unable to calm her, was a clear sign of Maura's distress...then as it is today.
i suspect she learned of a circumstance or situation by phone which prompted Maura's response, which precipitated her flight from amherst.
you wrote:
"The major "handicap" if anyone wants to discuss "handicap" was the delay of searching for her caused by the perspective that Maura was a runaway or had committed suicide."
again, i disagree. there was not an appreciable delay in "searching" for her, especially since she didn't remain at the scene of the accident; nor does it appear that she appropriately sought assistance by accepting help offered, or by inquiring at any of 5 nearby homes.
i guess we've got to keep this thing going to keep you happy. why? this is a very limited audience. you'd be wiser to flail about in front of official investigators. maybe that would help. maybe.
I agree that there may be a connection between the tearful episode and Maura's plan for Feb. 9, but do not believe her plan was suicide. Actually, I believe three items are connected: 1)previous tearful episode (inner conflict, turmoil); 2) Feb 9 phone call to Bartlett; 3) Maura's disappearance.
Rainbow Coalition

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rozShoem wrote:
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You go right ahead and continue to believe and promote the idea, as your colleagues do, that Maura was a runaway or suicide victim. THIS is the very perspective, belief that has been a contributing factor to preventing this case from being solved.
This is a nuts. If a real clue came up, such as some items being found, the clues would be persued. No one would say: "just ignore that, she obviously ran away."

How's aboutg this: Prove to us that the case is solvable FIRST then make BLANKET statements like: the caswe has been prevented from being solved.

Beagle. Why you working with the Greeks here? First you work the dupe setup and Roz here is trying to close the sale on the rubes. Well now we know why, your just a convienient moniker for many Qwackers!
Rainbow Coalition

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rozShoem wrote:
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Albeit cold, dark and foreboding...
Boo hoo, Cwybabie.
Beagle

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Jan 28, 2011
 
Rainbow Coalition wrote:
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Beagle. Why you working with the Greeks here?
Cause I'm deep into Mani. Bail me out and maybe we can put something together. 2 bwains is betta than one, ya know? Leave me a note like you did last time.
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Rainbow Coalition wrote:
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This is a nuts. If a real clue came up, such as some items being found, the clues would be persued. No one would say: "just ignore that, she obviously ran away."
How's aboutg this: Prove to us that the case is solvable FIRST then make BLANKET statements like: the caswe has been prevented from being solved.
Beagle. Why you working with the Greeks here? First you work the dupe setup and Roz here is trying to close the sale on the rubes. Well now we know why, your just a convienient moniker for many Qwackers!
I'm not attempting to close the case. However, several others are attempting to do so but insisting that MM ran away or committed suicide. This is why they beat down all attempts to consider other theories. They do not want anyone to consider the strong possibility that she was a murder victim.
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Rainbow Coalition wrote:
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Boo hoo, Cwybabie.
Maybe you should borrow Snowy's "donkey" sense, hook it to a sleigh and take a ride. Better yet...take her with you.
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hi all,Maura's friends, from Amherst said 'they did not want to get her into trouble'take care philip
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whiston wrote:
hi all,Maura's friends, from Amherst said 'they did not want to get her into trouble'take care philip
Yes, but by this time, wouldn't they be willing to tell if it could help get their friend back? Maybe they know she's hiding out, or was taking off, but like Kathleen said something went wrong.....
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Beagle wrote:
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Thanks, even if it's donkey sense.
But, if she was at the crash scene, do you believe that whatever caused her to leave UMass/Amherst is related to her having vanishd from the crash scene?
IOW, if Maura was at the crash scene, was her disappearance from the crash scene directly related to what caused her to leave UMass/Amherst in the first place?
Sorry if I'm not clear about this. We are pretty sure that IF she was at the crash scene, she sure didn't seem to ask anyone nearby for help. She seems to have disappeared.
I'm just wondering if you believe that whatever prompted her to leave UMass also - if she was at the crash scene - was related to her having disappeared from Haverhill.
If she was with the Saturn in Haverhill, she sure seemed to have every opportunity to get help. It was not, as the TV show said, the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere. Maybe it was a quiet country road, but it wasn't above the Arctic
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i don't know, Beagle. but i do have a sense of her 'fleeing' or 'running away' from something. my donkey sense. i have no proof. what do you think?

yes, i sense that whatever caused her to leave UMASS could have likely been related to her disappearance from the crash scene in NH. just my horse sense.

we have been reassured, time and time again, that this is an area populated by families, and that women walk and jog freely in the area. not unlike other country roads in new england.
The Old Library Lady

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Jan 29, 2011
 
rozShoem wrote:
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Maybe you should borrow Snowy's "donkey" sense, hook it to a sleigh and take a ride. Better yet...take her with you.
And if you donkey sense is late, it will cost you a nickel a day in fines.
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Jan 29, 2011
 
rozShoem wrote:
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I'm not attempting to close the case. However, several others are attempting to do so but insisting that MM ran away or committed suicide. This is why they beat down all attempts to consider other theories. They do not want anyone to consider the strong possibility that she was a murder victim.
How did you figure out that we have magic powers? How did you find out that we can snap our fingers and cause you and everyone else in the world to forget a reasonable possibility.

Well, as soon as I snap, you will forget again. You'll even forget this very post and find yourself unable to read it, find it. No search engine will retrieve it to memorialize our statements, anyones. That's what is so great about magic... and that is what we really want to hide. We don't care about slande, its just a front to allow us to cover for our magical powers, which is the only way to accomplish what you fear.
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Fine wrote:
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How did you figure out that we have magic powers? How did you find out that we can snap our fingers and cause you and everyone else in the world to forget a reasonable possibility.
Well, as soon as I snap, you will forget again. You'll even forget this very post and find yourself unable to read it, find it. No search engine will retrieve it to memorialize our statements, anyones. That's what is so great about magic... and that is what we really want to hide. We don't care about slande, its just a front to allow us to cover for our magical powers, which is the only way to accomplish what you fear.
the magic is in the "poof"!! let us trust in the magical powers that occasionally induce the "poof" on topix.
but who or what induces the "poof"? is it the occult? or the flapping of feathers? or wicca?
just remember..."poof" is one letter short of "proof".
and no one does "proof" as well as they do "poof" 'round here.
silly saturday.

actually, Show 'Em Roz may be right. abduction is, logically, on the table. could have happened anywhere along the way from amherst to where her car was found. there's just no "proof".
Beagle

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i don't know, Beagle. but i do have a sense of her 'fleeing' or 'running away' from something. my donkey sense. i have no proof. what do you think?
I don't know. Same old story - too little to work with. I am pretty sure that drop/add was Feb. 10 that year. Last chance to get most of your money back if you withdrew. Did LE check UMass registrar's office records?

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