Maura Murray

Back to conquer Mt Mansfield again "for Maura".

Aftermath wrote:

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Bill,
You have to be playing ostrich if you continue to deny the large number of female abductions along highways in VT & NH...especially NH. Someone abducted Maura....and it is my belief that you have a good idea who this guy is. He also gets rid of the occasional male.....you know... the one he sees as a sort of nuisance who is oft times drunk and staggering along the highway. Wonder how long your little charade will continue....not just you. It appears that there are others who have a fairly good idea who this guy is. Kind of awkward, I would imagine. Yes. Incredibly so.

Hmmm........

aftermath wrote:

Oh Bill,
You, my friend, do not know this guy. Believe me. Don't let the mask fool you. His antisocial & narcissistic ways are not always seen for what they are. Don't allow his charmin', guitar-playin, singin' ways fool ya, Bill. He may have fooled them...but not everyone. He's off the chart in terms of creativity... Only one of the many reasons LE is baffled?

And yet u posted this last January. Care to explain the change of heart since then?

Ridiculous wrote:

Oh My God!
What a complete heart break.Why?why? why? Why do cowards like this walk the earth? Devastating! My heart is breaking for these people. I'm at a loss for words....

Very heartbreaking and hard to comprehend.

Aftermath wrote:

Everyone was so dedicated to the snowy woods of Rte 112, no one.........absolutely no one considered the Fairlee VT area. That guy most likely had the highway worn out delivering bodies there from the Claremont area years ago. Talk about a tragic travesty. He has nostalgic feelings for northern VT...some kind of attachment to the Craftsbury Common area....at some point launched himself into the Claremont area and almost wore out the I-91 stretch of highway. There is some connectedness to Fairlee and it happened long ago before he had to head there on the evening of 2/9. The connection? I do not know. From the interstates to wooded areas...he's very comfortable in the woods even at night.

Aftermath, why don´t you go out into the woods of Fairlee and dig for bodies? If you produced a thigh bone or two it would lend a lot more credibility to your story.

What a tragedy. I can´t wrap my mind around how someone, mentally ill or not, can do such a horrible thing, gunning down innocent children. My heart goes oout to the victims and their families. I sure will pray for them.

Yes, I am very fortunate to be clueless when it comes to massacre and killing children.

Habs wrote:

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Very heartbreaking and hard to comprehend.

i trust the "comprehension" lies in the sociological/cultural shift over the past few decades, to include routinely diagnosing a greater number of children in the population with mental illnesses, and treating them with powerful psych meds.
bottom line, it's been noted that most who are acting out in these horrific attacks have a history of severe mental illness, and may be the ones who land in the extreme zones with suicidal tendencies and psychotic breaks that are played out in the manner we repeatedly see...VA Tech, Aurora and now CT.
the media reinforces the behaviors of this fringe population by coverage of the aftermath / carnage, thereby demonstrating the effectiveness of the weaponry used in mass murders in these venues...the workplace, schools and shopping malls.
i'm surprised hannah_b admits to being "clueless", as he/she has been so present and involved in commenting about all aspects of MM's disappearance where suicide, abduction, violence, murder and a possible victim have been considered and discussed for years.
just sayin. and JMO.

OKAY wrote:

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i trust the "comprehension" lies in the sociological/cultural shift over the past few decades, to include routinely diagnosing a greater number of children in the population with mental illnesses, and treating them with powerful psych meds.
bottom line, it's been noted that most who are acting out in these horrific attacks have a history of severe mental illness, and may be the ones who land in the extreme zones with suicidal tendencies and psychotic breaks that are played out in the manner we repeatedly see...VA Tech, Aurora and now CT.
the media reinforces the behaviors of this fringe population by coverage of the aftermath / carnage, thereby demonstrating the effectiveness of the weaponry used in mass murders in these venues...the workplace, schools and shopping malls.
i'm surprised hannah_b admits to being "clueless", as he/she has been so present and involved in commenting about all aspects of MM's disappearance where suicide, abduction, violence, murder and a possible victim have been considered and discussed for years.
just sayin. and JMO.

Hi snowy. My lack of comprehension comes from the ages of the innocent victims. A whole new level of a**hole here.

OKAY wrote:

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i trust the "comprehension" lies in the sociological/cultural shift over the past few decades, to include routinely diagnosing a greater number of children in the population with mental illnesses, and treating them with powerful psych meds.
bottom line, it's been noted that most who are acting out in these horrific attacks have a history of severe mental illness, and may be the ones who land in the extreme zones with suicidal tendencies and psychotic breaks that are played out in the manner we repeatedly see...VA Tech, Aurora and now CT.
the media reinforces the behaviors of this fringe population by coverage of the aftermath / carnage, thereby demonstrating the effectiveness of the weaponry used in mass murders in these venues...the workplace, schools and shopping malls.
i'm surprised hannah_b admits to being "clueless", as he/she has been so present and involved in commenting about all aspects of MM's disappearance where suicide, abduction, violence, murder and a possible victim have been considered and discussed for years.
just sayin. and JMO.

Snowy, I think yor comment was quite tasteless and rude. You are "surprised" by the fact I am horrified by the school shooting while being interested in the case of Maura Murray? We don´t know for a fact Maura was even murdered. Possibility, yes, but not fact. Any murder is horrific. But a scool shooting with 20 dead kids plus 7 adults is a whole different level horrific. Maybe not to you, but to me it is.

hannah_b wrote:

Yes, I am very fortunate to be clueless when it comes to massacre and killing children.

here is your comment to which i replied. it is odd in the context of this thread, nor does it make any sense to me in the context of back-to--back shootings this week in OR and CT just prior to Christmas. how can you be "clueless"?

Habs wrote:

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Hi snowy. My lack of comprehension comes from the ages of the innocent victims. A whole new level of a**hole here.

thank you for clarifying.
gabby giffords, aurora, portland and newtown won't be the last until the "a**hole(s)" can be proactively identified, and assault weapons kept out of their hands.
michael sandel speaks about "the greater good". it's time our leaders address the problem with action and solutions for the greater good.
i give thumbs up to sarah brady. thumbs down to the NRA. JMO.

hannah_b wrote:

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Snowy, I think yor comment was quite tasteless and rude. You are "surprised" by the fact I am horrified by the school shooting while being interested in the case of Maura Murray? We don´t know for a fact Maura was even murdered. Possibility, yes, but not fact. Any murder is horrific. But a scool shooting with 20 dead kids plus 7 adults is a whole different level horrific. Maybe not to you, but to me it is.

read my words. don't twist them.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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In no way am I fearful of Jenkins.

So wowzer you're finally admitting that you were lying two months ago when you told the forum that you started carrying a gun because of me?

So now you're not scared of me right?
It was so obvious that was a completely ridiculous lie and I'm glad that you've finally admitted you were lying and you're obviously not scared of me. What a joke that was.

Now If we can only get that ridiculous ditz 'samIAM' aka sammi sweetheart from Jersey Shore to admit she was obviously lying too maybe we'll be getting somewhere. What happened to her anyways? She must've went back to the shore. LoL

i think i can comfortably relate to about 3 1/2 people here. maybe i'll keep my frustration level down and stick to commenting to those few. now, there's a fine plan!

Anyone who just writes off the possibility of a serial killer or oppurtunistic killer being responsible for Maura's dissapearance truly has their head in the sand. I suspect most here who do that are playing ostrich rather than actually being ostriches. Lol
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One just has to look at the sheer number of murdered women in the north country that were out alone on the road to see this as a very real possibility. There's been far too many women murdered and way too little evidence left at the scenes. The fact is that we should hope it's a serial killer because otherwise there is a bunch of killers running around the n country killing women and leaving no evidence that ties them to the crime.
It's been 9 years and not one piece of evidence of Maura has turned up, it's becoming increasingly obvious with each passing year that she fell victim to a predator. There is no evidence this happened, that we are aware of, but whoever has been killing these women is good at hiding evidence. Maybe he has honed his skill to where now he can completely hide the body as well. Sure creates a lot more confusion as to what happened when the person just never is heard from again. Maura travelled the i91 corridor that night, straight through the area where most of these crimes occurred. She could've come across this guy anywhere along her 3 hour trip, it didn't have to be in the 3 minute window she was at her car and nobody was looking.
It appears that there are quite a few people who frequent this forum that are in complete and total denial over what could've happened here, whether it is intentional denial or not is unclear but there are some people here who could be a case study in denial.
While it is theoretically possible she is lost in the woods off of 112, it seems highly unlikely at this point, practically speaking. There was an extensive search along the edges of 112 for footprints leading into the woods which was aided by the benefit of fresh snow that was perfect for tracking, according to two seperate NHSP lieutenants. The dog tracked her scent 100yds up the road. Neither of those two things are conclusive alone but combined they indicate a high likelihood that she did in fact get a ride from the scene.
Also these woods are a very popular area for hunting, it's not a big hiking area but when you drive 112 on a saturday morning during hunting season there are trucks parked at nearly every fire road and turn off, all hunters walking randomly into the woods to search for game. These hunters also would likely be choosing similar areas to enter the woods that someone else would. The fact that every hunting season has brought many many people into those woods and not one shred of evidence of mm or any of her belongings have ever turned up is very telling IMO.
Remember, if she was just wandering into the woods or going in there to kill herself she would've not been worried about trying to hide her body. On a strictly logical basis, especially considering the conditions she was facing that night, it makes no sense that she is simply just lost in the woods.
IMO the people clinging to this theory are in denial, they don't want to admit the reality of the situation. Either that or they know the reality of the situation and don't want to admit that either, or are intentionally tryin to hide it.
Weird dynamic and some weird people on this forum.
I sincerely doubt Keyes had anything to do with this, we already have our own killer in the n country, probably a few of them actually.
That's one thing we know for an absolute fact, there is at least one person who kills women in the area when the oppurtunity presents itself. Mm being out on that road that night, the calls put out that would've been heard on scanners, that would definitely be an oppurtunity for someone like that. That theory just can't be discounted and the more time that goes on the higher and higher the likelihood becomes.

Jenky wrote:

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So wowzer you're finally admitting that you were lying two months ago when you told the forum that you started carrying a gun because of me?
So now you're not scared of me right?
It was so obvious that was a completely ridiculous lie and I'm glad that you've finally admitted you were lying and you're obviously not scared of me. What a joke that was.
Now If we can only get that ridiculous ditz 'samIAM' aka sammi sweetheart from Jersey Shore to admit she was obviously lying too maybe we'll be getting somewhere. What happened to her anyways? She must've went back to the shore. LoL

Jenky, I started to draft a response to Wowzer on that ,but decided to just let it go because the rest of us remeber what she posted earlier about being in fear of you and toting a gun because of it. Goes to show you that Wowzer is just an over exagerator or full of BS. Probably a combo of both.

Bill_ yea your right just give more people guns in school and that will cure everything.Ever hear of going postal? Stress at work? lots of stress on teachers these days. very irresponsible to say more guns in school is the answer. How many parents would vote for that one?? When Little snowy doesn't do her homework then you can just fire a few shots.

Granny only said she hated guns ( never said do away with) and you turned into your NRA podium of why we should all carry guns. Lets pass out grenades while we are at it because it is not the grenade that is the problem.

To compare cars and guns is ridiculous. Cars are designed to drive and guns are designed to kill.You say protect? I say when was the last time an average citizen used a gun to protect in the right method? Zimmerman? I think murder- we will see. Granted cars can kill people, but a car could not have driven into the school and taken those childrens lives.

Also-

Bill says lockdowns are a joke . really locking the doors to each classroom is a joke? Ok lets just put a welcoming sign out there and say come on in gunman no need to knock we have been waiting for you.

Wow what a dumbass statement. You obviously know nothing about lockdown procedures, I am sure it helped save many other lives in this incident.The firat two rooms prob didn't have enough time to lock up. They are not sitting ducks as they have designated areas within the class rooms to go to ( away from windows etc..) what is your suggestion?? Send the kids running down the hallways?

OKAY wrote:

i think i can comfortably relate to about 3 1/2 people here. maybe i'll keep my frustration level down and stick to commenting to those few. now, there's a fine plan!

Snowy, try not to get too frustrated. I get what u r saying and while I'm not sure what it will take to fix the school shooting problem, I certainly respect your passion.

God bless them.

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