Maura Murray

Let's look at what you claim is a common denominator, the knife. In general the most efficient way to kill somebody is with a gun or a knife. There are of course other ways but for efficiency those are probably the top two. Let's look at the uses of both of those. Both have advantages, depending on the situation. A gun allows you to kill at a distance without the need to come within arms reach. It is easier to use. It doesn't require strength as much as a knife to use. There are several reasons to use a knife. It is more personal, it is more importantly silent. Knives are much easier to get a hold of, they can be just as deadly, and there's no real paperwork involved in buying one and are virtually untraceable. Being that the two hikers in Virginia were both bound and I believe gagged it would likely mean that they initially were held at gunpoint though there are other possible scenarios. It would be difficult for a single individual to bind and gag two people without holding them at gunpoint. The exception to that of course would be if there was more than one of them. It is also interesting that the two kids in Virginia had their throats slashed. The other people are listed as being stabbed. Again this points to a hatred of the kids possibly due to the fact that they were lesbians. Which means that they were targeted for specific reasons, not just random targets.

Ms. Chaput was listed as a social worker and I have also read a psychologist pick one I don't care.

Again, I would like to know what actual "links" you think there are in these cases. The fact that knifes were the murder weapons is about as identifying as saying that there was blood at the scene. All except for Maura of course. No blood found there, no stabbing, no earring. Just a missing young woman with a crashed vehicle and alcohol.

Yet some of the new people insist that there are links to Maura and people both missing and dead by accidental death and murders all scattered not only in New England now, but even in Virginia.

Then they wonder why we "rant" about the same stuff, over and over. Go figure.

Bill

Goes to Rozzie, for doing an excellent job at leading a discussion that disproves her theory.

Snowy wrote:

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the brilliant, perfect, well-adjusted student/daughter/athlete you attempt to portray and defend would surely have been able to "leave campus for a few days" under more legitimate circumstances than lying.
each and every one of your paragraphs do not inform or confirm new information; tiresome and annoying.

Yes. It really gets to you that MM was everything that you are not. That must be particularly painful for you in light of all of the emotional stroking you've had to do to even arrive where you are. Envy and jealousy do not become you. Really. There is much more to you than this... Someone who plans baby showers should not be showing her fangs at least not so overtly as in your above statements. Maybe there was no baby shower. Your conformist views would have taught you to at least be more discreet and "sweet" and not so nasty...at least not publicly. LOL. Take care.

rozShoem wrote:

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Yes. It really gets to you that MM was everything that you are not. That must be particularly painful for you in light of all of the emotional stroking you've had to do to even arrive where you are. Envy and jealousy do not become you. Really. There is much more to you than this... Someone who plans baby showers should not be showing her fangs at least not so overtly as in your above statements. Maybe there was no baby shower. Your conformist views would have taught you to at least be more discreet and "sweet" and not so nasty...at least not publicly. LOL. Take care.

You've shown us your stupidy with every post. It is laughable, that you, a cretonous stench, would even pretend to cast judgement on Snowy, who is, indeed, everything you are not. As I am certain your life is plaged with problems due to your inability to comprehend or excerise logic, I suggest you tend to it.

Toodles : P lol!

WTH-the-original wrote:

Let's look at what you claim is a common denominator, the knife. In general the most efficient way to kill somebody is with a gun or a knife. There are of course other ways but for efficiency those are probably the top two. Let's look at the uses of both of those. Both have advantages, depending on the situation. A gun allows you to kill at a distance without the need to come within arms reach. It is easier to use. It doesn't require strength as much as a knife to use. There are several reasons to use a knife. It is more personal, it is more importantly silent. Knives are much easier to get a hold of, they can be just as deadly, and there's no real paperwork involved in buying one and are virtually untraceable. Being that the two hikers in Virginia were both bound and I believe gagged it would likely mean that they initially were held at gunpoint though there are other possible scenarios. It would be difficult for a single individual to bind and gag two people without holding them at gunpoint. The exception to that of course would be if there was more than one of them. It is also interesting that the two kids in Virginia had their throats slashed. The other people are listed as being stabbed. Again this points to a hatred of the kids possibly due to the fact that they were lesbians. Which means that they were targeted for specific reasons, not just random targets.
Ms. Chaput was listed as a social worker and I have also read a psychologist pick one I don't care.
Again, I would like to know what actual "links" you think there are in these cases. The fact that knifes were the murder weapons is about as identifying as saying that there was blood at the scene. All except for Maura of course. No blood found there, no stabbing, no earring. Just a missing young woman with a crashed vehicle and alcohol.
Yet some of the new people insist that there are links to Maura and people both missing and dead by accidental death and murders all scattered not only in New England now, but even in Virginia.
Then they wonder why we "rant" about the same stuff, over and over. Go figure.
Bill

It sounds as though you and others believe the two women were murdered because of their relationship. I'm not suggesting that hate crimes do not happen. I'm suggesting this was not a hate crime and that Ms. Winans had met this predator in 1989 in Craftsbury Common VT. I agree, victims are usually bound and then killed. Aspects of the crime scene in some of these murders have been intentionally staged. Consider that the two victims were first murdered and then bound. The person who murdered these two women knew exactly what would lead people to share your conclusion. It was concluded that Ms. Reed knew the person who murdered her simply because there was no sign of a break-in. Who best would know how to enter a dwelling without permission and not leave indications of a break-in? My belief is that MM went with this same predator willingly, believing he was someone who, under most circumstances, could and should be trusted.

There are, and have been, will be, so many people within the past 7 years who do not give a rodents rump about Maura's life before 7PM 2/9/2004. The only ones who need to know would be family and the Law Enforcement doing their investigation.

Where Maura lived isn't significant. Where Maura
disappeared is important, 0n Route 112, Haverhill/Woodsville/Bath NH Grafton County.

Why, throughout all these past years, is it inconceivable that Maura spent her last time within
the area she enjoyed in previous years.

Why, are people so against the possible thought that she hopped into a car with the real McCoy
with the eagle emblem. ie "take you to a motel and get your stuff later".

Yes, many thoughts and opinions that are shared among those who really want justice for Maura.

Shack wrote:

There are, and have been, will be, so many people within the past 7 years who do not give a rodents rump about Maura's life before 7PM 2/9/2004. The only ones who need to know would be family and the Law Enforcement doing their investigation.
Where Maura lived isn't significant. Where Maura
disappeared is important, 0n Route 112, Haverhill/Woodsville/Bath NH Grafton County.
Why, throughout all these past years, is it inconceivable that Maura spent her last time within
the area she enjoyed in previous years.
Why, are people so against the possible thought that she hopped into a car with the real McCoy
with the eagle emblem. ie "take you to a motel and get your stuff later".
Yes, many thoughts and opinions that are shared among those who really want justice for Maura.

I can even entertain the thought that Maura was abducted by aliens. Without some, any kind, of evidence it is nothing more than fanciful musings. Just like the UFO abduction.

I don't want justice for Maura. I still don't know anything has happened to her. I would like her to call home though.

Bill

rozShoem wrote:

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It sounds as though you and others believe the two women were murdered because of their relationship. I'm not suggesting that hate crimes do not happen. I'm suggesting this was not a hate crime and that Ms. Winans had met this predator in 1989 in Craftsbury Common VT. I agree, victims are usually bound and then killed. Aspects of the crime scene in some of these murders have been intentionally staged. Consider that the two victims were first murdered and then bound. The person who murdered these two women knew exactly what would lead people to share your conclusion. It was concluded that Ms. Reed knew the person who murdered her simply because there was no sign of a break-in. Who best would know how to enter a dwelling without permission and not leave indications of a break-in? My belief is that MM went with this same predator willingly, believing he was someone who, under most circumstances, could and should be trusted.

OK. How do you cut a womans throat while the other one is watching without the other one either trying to attack or running like hell. No, I think that the two woman were bound prior to them being killed. Also, real CSI would be able to determine if your or my thoughts were the way it really happened. People who cut other peoples throat don't do it just to kill people. They do it to terrorize people. A single stab can kill a person. These poor kids were killed to terrorize/torture them and to send a message and to give a sense of power to the killer.

Bill

Shack wrote:

Why, are people so against the possible thought that she hopped into a car with the real McCoy with the eagle emblem.

Because a psychic pulled that out of his backside.

so, there is still a cult-like quality to the zeal and relentless insistence to these women's recent claims...one, abduction by a serial killer...the other, abduction by a trusted public servant.
scrub the SBD off the whiteboard...old news.
staying tuned for another shift in the wind.

Pollution Patrol wrote:

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You've shown us your stupidy with every post. It is laughable, that you, a cretonous stench, would even pretend to cast judgement on Snowy, who is, indeed, everything you are not. As I am certain your life is plaged with problems due to your inability to comprehend or excerise logic, I suggest you tend to it.
Toodles : P lol!

i'd suggest logic/reason-impaired. my summary, quoted as follows, has twice-provoked a strong response from Roz:

**Snowy wrote:
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the brilliant, perfect, well-adjusted student/daughter/athlete you attempt to portray and defend would surely have been able to "leave campus for a few days" under more legitimate circumstances than lying.
each and every one of your paragraphs do not inform or confirm new information; tiresome and annoying.**

i stand by my conclusion.

Shack wrote:

There are, and have been, will be, so many people within the past 7 years who do not give a rodents rump about Maura's life before 7PM 2/9/2004. The only ones who need to know would be family and the Law Enforcement doing their investigation.
Where Maura lived isn't significant. Where Maura disappeared is important, 0n Route 112, Haverhill/Woodsville/Bath NH Grafton County.

I should have interpreted this for others before.

Translation:
I don't like that others are actually trying to investigate. There MAY BE some untoward dealings previously in her life. We don't want these to come out because while they may lead the public investigation to the correct conclusion, it would be at the expense of Maura's reputation. We NEED others to believe the construct that we have created regarding Maura so that they will continue to help, and so her and her family suffers no undo embarrassment. Again, a possible translation. We don't know if Shack actually speaks as an official or unofficial spokeswoman for the family, or she just makes this stuff up as she goes along. Kind of like the rest of us. But we don't pretend to have any special insight.

To most of us Maura is little more than an avatar. A construct. We only "know" her through the descriptions of others, primarily family, and they haven't said much in a very long time, not even through third party's. Another reason that this site has no hope of anything other than keeping the innocent from being defamed.

Life isn't fair and is a full contact sport. Stay alert at all times and wear a cup.

One good thing though. I think this site is down to maybe five people that actually regularly reads. Hopefully, it will soon be none so this drivel will end. One might write, but if none read, its not a problem.

Bill

While googling "Maura Murray Case" I cam upon an intriguing piece from a web site called www.cupidshealinghearts.com/blog , dated November 2010.
Whether true or not, it certainly is a horrifyingly chilling read.
If true, it would certainly confirm our very worst fears.

Euroobserver wrote:

While googling "Maura Murray Case" I cam upon an intriguing piece from a web site called www.cupidshealinghearts.com/blog , dated November 2010.
Whether true or not, it certainly is a horrifyingly chilling read.
If true, it would certainly confirm our very worst fears.

What? Other than a great laugh, I didn't find anything horrifying at all.

Bill

Shack wrote:

7Where Maura lived isn't significant. Where Maura
disappeared is important, 0n Route 112, Haverhill/Woodsville/Bath NH Grafton County.
Yes, many thoughts and opinions that are shared among those who really want justice for Maura.

and transversly Shack, where Maura lived is quite significant....she felt strongly enough about something that was going on that she needed to get away from there without telling anyone where she was going...knowing that LOA's are NOT allowed during nursing clinicals without prior approval from Admin at the college.

Looking4AMoose wrote:

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and transversly Shack, where Maura lived is quite significant....she felt strongly enough about something that was going on that she needed to get away from there without telling anyone where she was going...knowing that LOA's are NOT allowed during nursing clinicals without prior approval from Admin at the college.

Unless, of course, you have a death in the family.

Bill

...most of us assume Maura planned on returning to school, this is a reasonable assumption.
Who was in a position to provide her with written documentation needed to substantiate a death in the family that had n ot happened, but she claimed took place? She would need that to return to school, right?
If she didn't have written backup, she couldn't return, so what assurances was she given (that she could secure such documentation) and by whom?
Its not like she could say she was just kidding, return before the week was up and everything would be OK.
Its almost unbelievable that she would want to keep her travel plans a secret, not telling her family about it, since she now was required to be away for a week with only $200, no pace to stay, and a failing car.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Unless, of course, you have a death in the family.
Bill

:) which the fammily has stated didn't occur

[QUOTE who="Its not like she could say she was just kidding, return before the week was up and everything would be OK.
Its almost unbelievable that she would want to keep her travel plans a secret, not telling her family about it, since she now was required to be away for a week with only $200, no pace to stay, and a failing car.[/QUOTE]
Leads you to believe that there was a plan in place, doesn't it? Even if she was able to rent a condo in the area, the going rate at the time was in excess of $75 a night and then add in food and fuel for the vehicle.

if true, it's puzzling that her possessions in her dorm room were packed. if so, it would appear she was planning to leave, not return.
the unlikely excuse was offered here that the university required students to pack their belongings over a break in order for the dorm to be thoroughly cleaned. unlikely....if not ridiculous.
yes, a plan in place.