Maura Murray

hannah_b wrote:

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The famous Crufts dog show, google it. Plenty of Beagles there!

Tang Zoi wrote:

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I have been talking w/ Beagle for the past few years via e-mail. I was in contact with Him til about 6 months ago.
Would be nice to know if He is OK. safe......

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Snowy wrote:

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did i say it's ok? did Wowzer say it's ok?
Wowzer has attested to the fact that you communicated to her that JWB's behaviors made you physically ill; but you returned to topix, and ignored and / or excused JWB's behaviors which have increased over time.
have you recently tried to help JWB understand, either as a compassionate friend, or as a woman amongst us, that threatening to "out" anonymous women with whom he disagrees, but chooses not to debate in any constructive way, except to consistently taunt by way of angry threats of retaliation, is conduct that is unconscionable and abusive? only he is in control of his own behavior. strong men don't bully.
and if you don't feel it was your responsibility to help raise his awareness, but you continued to engage with him online while both observing and having experienced his pattern of abuses, then your values differ from those whom have repeatedly asked him to cease and desist.
i have actively and openly tried to alert and educate Jenkins to similarly unacceptable behaviors.
i don't believe Ridiculous was coming from a place of retaliation; from what i've read, he attempted, with every possible approach, to help bring JWB's rants in line and back to acceptable conduct for JWB's own sake, and for the sake of others. he tried to intervene in JWB's public acting out against others in this venue.
what JWB does with his own life doesn't matter; what matters is that he was threatening to seek out the whereabouts of others whom wish to remain anonymous and want no contact.
by throwing a block for JWB, you continue to interfere with his taking responsibility for himself, his provocation, and the dangerous manipulation that he visits upon others.

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Snowy wrote:

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did i say it's ok? did Wowzer say it's ok?
Wowzer has attested to the fact that you communicated to her that JWB's behaviors made you physically ill; but you returned to topix, and ignored and / or excused JWB's behaviors which have increased over time.
have you recently tried to help JWB understand, either as a compassionate friend, or as a woman amongst us, that threatening to "out" anonymous women with whom he disagrees, but chooses not to debate in any constructive way, except to consistently taunt by way of angry threats of retaliation, is conduct that is unconscionable and abusive? only he is in control of his own behavior. strong men don't bully.
and if you don't feel it was your responsibility to help raise his awareness, but you continued to engage with him online while both observing and having experienced his pattern of abuses, then your values differ from those whom have repeatedly asked him to cease and desist.
i have actively and openly tried to alert and educate Jenkins to similarly unacceptable behaviors.
i don't believe Ridiculous was coming from a place of retaliation; from what i've read, he attempted, with every possible approach, to help bring JWB's rants in line and back to acceptable conduct for JWB's own sake, and for the sake of others. he tried to intervene in JWB's public acting out against others in this venue.
what JWB does with his own life doesn't matter; what matters is that he was threatening to seek out the whereabouts of others whom wish to remain anonymous and want no contact.
by throwing a block for JWB, you continue to interfere with his taking responsibility for himself, his provocation, and the dangerous manipulation that he visits upon others.

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hannah_b wrote:

Beeeeaaaaaagleeeee, where aaaaaaare yoooouuuuu? Please let us know you´re ok even if you don´t want to engage in conversation.

Snowy wrote:

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Amy just told you she has been in touch with him. there is no need to shout, and nothing to be gained by calling him out.
great way to start out another ridiculous year. year 10.

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amy researches wrote:

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Did I say what JWB did was ok? No. In fact, I have said the opposite. To JWB as well as on the forum more than once. If it's easier for you guys to blame me for JWB's behavior, whether by calling me an enabler or complicit, than to put the responsibility where it belongs, that's fine. I don't care what you think of me. But it doesn't make you right.

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amy researches wrote:

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Not that it is any of your business but my concerns have been properly expressed privately, with and about the people concerned, long before you arrived at this forum.

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Snowy wrote:

oops, i guess there is a new category of posters claiming topix seniority. the queue forms to the left.

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hannah_b wrote:

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Sorry for shouting! I believe Amy hasn´t in touch with him recently? Just that she had corresponded with him and didn´t think he had information about MM case? Please set me straight, Amy. When were you in touch with Beagle, was it very recently?

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Snowy wrote:

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if we cannot engage in conversation on this topix thread without the threat of unwanted contact from someone who is aggressively displaying threatening behaviors, then the problem lies with that individual.
do you hear me, Amy? i'm not blaming you.
whether or not you or anyone enabled him, or that findmaura actively encourages him to behave in an abusive manner, which she has, over time, the problem still belongs to JWB. he owns it.

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amy researches wrote:

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I'm not claiming seniority, snowy. I've been here a year, which is about 11 months too long.:-) Nope. Just letting your new BFF Ridiculous know that he's not the only one who knows things and has reported them. The difference between me and Ridiculous is not in the time spent here but in that I don't feel the need to put everything I know out onto a public forum. Just as you have not. You and I have exchanged quite a bit of info about ourselves and our families, but you and I have not dragged family members or names into any online disagreements. Nor have I ever shared private info about your family or threaten to do so, because I choose not to stoop to those levels. Ridiculous has stooped to that level, which is his right, but I don't respect him for the choice he has made. Just as I do not think it was right of JWB to do what he did.

amy researches wrote:

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I heard from him a few days ago. He was fine and not in the UK at that time.:-)

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Snowy wrote:

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did i say it's ok? did Wowzer say it's ok?
Wowzer has attested to the fact that you communicated to her that JWB's behaviors made you physically ill; but you returned to topix, and ignored and / or excused JWB's behaviors which have increased over time.
have you recently tried to help JWB understand, either as a compassionate friend, or as a woman amongst us, that threatening to "out" anonymous women with whom he disagrees, but chooses not to debate in any constructive way, except to consistently taunt by way of angry threats of retaliation, is conduct that is unconscionable and abusive? only he is in control of his own behavior. strong men don't bully.
and if you don't feel it was your responsibility to help raise his awareness, but you continued to engage with him online while both observing and having experienced his pattern of abuses, then your values differ from those whom have repeatedly asked him to cease and desist.
i have actively and openly tried to alert and educate Jenkins to similarly unacceptable behaviors.
i don't believe Ridiculous was coming from a place of retaliation; from what i've read, he attempted, with every possible approach, to help bring JWB's rants in line and back to acceptable conduct for JWB's own sake, and for the sake of others. he tried to intervene in JWB's public acting out against others in this venue.
what JWB does with his own life doesn't matter; what matters is that he was threatening to seek out the whereabouts of others whom wish to remain anonymous and want no contact.
by throwing a block for JWB, you continue to interfere with his taking responsibility for himself, his provocation, and the dangerous manipulation that he visits upon others.

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Snowy wrote:

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here, to Jenkins, is a paragraph about Maura i'd just written...more extensive than either of you has produced this morning.
"MM's tragic flaws that may have help create or sustained the events that lead to her disappearance are consistently mitigated by you in your prolific postings. why? have you met her? do you know her? are you able to speak with authority on her behalf?
her story will soon appear in James Renner's upcoming book."
Bill/WTH has repeatedly made the point that taking personal responsibility and making safe choices might have changed the outcome.
do you , at least in theory, agree or disagree....
that Maura apparently made a chain of choices and decisions, to include....
lying to excuse herself from academics, and using a death in the family to do so?
not advising friends, family or co-workers about her whereabouts before, during or after packing up and then driving away from UMASS Amherst in her Saturn?
that the credit card fraud that resulted in her arrest may have affected her future in academics, especially since she had already transferred from West Point?
and then, to Bills points....
that she did not stay with her crashed vehicle
nor did she accept help from the SBD, or request help of any of the 5 residences that Wowzer tells us were nearby.
she obviously didn't want or think she needed to find help in places that most intelligent, educated young adults would look.
with evidence of drinking alcohol in the car, one wonders how much judgment she exercised for her own safety and the safety of others.
as Tang says, it would be "interesting to know" what her plan was, and with whom she might have traveled. more interesting, i believe, than why law enforcement couldn't read her mind about who/what/when/where/why within moments of arriving to find a car that slid of the road at a sharp bend in the road.