Maura Murray

...and the big question - why was Maura allowed to continue work security while on probation? I just don´t get it.

hannah_b wrote:

I wasn´t aware UMass had counseling available 24/7. This makes it even more strange KM didn´t get Maura to counceling immediately. It certainly sounds like more than somebody getting a phone call with bad news. There are also some major time discrepancies in KM´s email to JR compared to her forum postings (copied I believe at Adv´s old forum). I too believe Maura going missiing days later would make the incident stuck in ones mind. Something about this story doesn´t add up.

Especially for a history major.

As far as I know maura wasn't on probation, the charges were to be dismissed. All she had to do was not get arrested for 3 months & the charges were going to be dropped. This is what the paperwork the JR dug up said.

That's barely a slap on the wrist, it was the first time she was arrested so she obviously wasn't gonna get in too much trouble but that is an extremely light punishment. The court probably didn't want to ruin her chance of being a nurse.

I still find it unbelievable that she didn't get suspended from school or at least put on disciplinary probation, it's pretty much unheard if for someone to get arrested on campus and get no punishment whatsoever.

Ever since I heard of the arrest I've always thought that there was a good possibility that she was going to get suspended from school and that was why she went up to Nh. I still think its a good possibility it's very possible she knew she was gettin suspended and that's why she went to Nh for the week, to think about what she was going to say to her family & friends about gettin suspended. Seems more likely than her not getting any disciplinary action against her at all, that would be very strange. I could see the school not saying anything to the public about it after learning that she went missing.
She got arrested on campus by umass police, I can't believe that she was getting absolutely no punishment from the school. Colleges dont go by what happened in court, they dont care If you get convicted or not, they only care that you were arrested.

As someone else posted a while back, being arrested even if for the first time and even if charged were to be dismissed if she "behaved", she shouldn´t normally have been suspended from school, it makes even less sense she was still allowed to work security. Doesn´t have to anything to do with conviction, just UMass regulations.

Whiston- it seems pretty unlikely that Fred was going to Amherst to pay somebody off. Restitution doesn't seem like an issue either. She only charged $70 or something small like that the girl who got charged probably wasn't even responsible for in the end.
If restitution was part of the court agreement that would've been in the paper work the JR dug up, & it wasn't as far as I know.

As for her dad coming to town to pay someone off- how could that even work? Let's say she used someone else's card too, which she probably did. If that person saw the charges in their statement, but didn't tell LE how could they possibly have even know who MM was? The only reason that one girl did was bc she called the cops & they set up a sting of sorts to catch her. If she never called LE she would have no clue who Maura was, only that someone was making charges on her card.

Are you saying that someone was blackmailing her for thousands of dollars because she charged 50 bucks on their CC? Does that not sound unbelievable to you? How would they even kno who she was anyways?

hannah_b wrote:

As someone else posted a while back, being arrested even if for the first time and even if charged were to be dismissed if she "behaved", she shouldn´t normally have been suspended from school, it makes even less sense she was still allowed to work security. Doesn´t have to anything to do with conviction, just UMass regulations.

Are you saying she should have or should not have been suspended from school?
Maybe she shouldn't have been suspended but it's totally unbelievable that she caught no disciplinary sanctions at all from the school. That's unheard of, someone being arrested on campus and not getting any disciplinary actions against them? Whether she got convicted or not makes no difference to the school, stealing is a blatant violation of the school's disciplinary code & she must have had some sort of disciplinary action coming.
She must have had a hearing with the school disciplinary board scheduled, they would've been the ones who handed down any punishment, which should've be AT LEAST school probation, & you would think she would've lost her job too right?? Who wants a security guard that steals?? I never even thought of that; how the hell did she still have that job?
She got arrested towards the end of the semester. She probably would've had a disciplinary hearing scheduled early in the spring semester, which is exactly where she was at when she went missing.

It is very possible she had this meeting scheduled & umass just hasn't told the public about it. I don't think they would've told the public about it if she did.

It at least seems possible that this is why she went to Nh. It's possible this is what the phone call she received was too, maybe it was a friend of hers who made it clear to her that she was going to be suspended when she met with the disciplinary board? For some reason kids always think that since they didn't get in any trouble in court that the school can not do anything to them now, which couldn't be further from the truth. The school only cares that you got arrested, not the outcome of the case.
I'm thinkin that it's possible that she was there thinkin that she got off with a slap on the wrist, that the school couldn't do anything to her because the charges were going to be dismissed. Maybe she spoke to someone she knew who had been in the same predicament & they told her, no, you're definitely getting in trouble, te school doesn't care about the charges being dismissed. If someone she knew told her that she was definitely going to be suspended I could see her taking it kind of hard. That might be the kind of thing that would make her freak out like that worrying about how she was going to tell her parents that she's getting suspended from another school for the second year in a row? Sounds like a pretty major thing to me.
Also sounds like something that she might want to take a week or so to go up to the mountains and think about how she is going to deal with it, what shes gonna tell her parents & friends, what she's gonna do for the next semester. Seems more likely than her getting blackmailed or even being responsible for a hit & run in reality.
It actually sounds like a pretty simple explanation for why she was going to NH, she found out she was going to be suspended & wanted a week to think about how she was going to deal with it. Just because umass never said anything about it means nothing. Once she went missing I seriously doubt that they were goin to come out and say that they were planning on suspending her.

Either way, it's completely unbelievable that she was going to get no disciplinary from the school for stealing, I find it hard to believe she as going to be a security guard for much longer.

Gee, I wonder who 'Jane curtain' is.....& wow I gotta say, judging by her post calling whiston an "ignorant slut" it's obvious she isn't ignorant at all, you know she's not ignorant when she makes comments like that, takes some serious wisdom & knowledge to come up with a comment like that, I'm seriously impressed.

I wonder why wowzer and ridiculous stopped posting. It was like their jobs for a minute there, they were both on this forum ALL DAY, literally from like 8am til pretty late at night, every day & night for a couple months there. Interesting how they were both on her all day every day & then they both just stopped posting at the same exact time.....
Were they both the same person? Was ridiculous wowzer's bat shit crazy alter-ego??

Does their departure have anything to do with JWB's departure? Seems like all 3 stopped posting right at the same time a couple weeks ago.

Did one of them actually call the cops for real? Their talk ha become really nasty, all of em, in their last few weeks, ridiculous 'outed' JWB apparently & there was lots of talk about calling police. There were claims by several people that they had already called the cops, which were obviously lies.

Did one of them Actually call the cops & the cops told them to stop posting? I could see that. If wowzer called the cops, and they actually read what she wrote sometimes, & what her buddy ridiculous wrote sometimes they would be like wtf? They would also tell her to stop posting. If she called & said that someone, or multiple people were making her scares on topix you can be damn sure they would tell her to stop posting on topix. It would make no sense to actually call the cops, of you're actually scared for your safety then why would you be on that forum taunting & interacting with your 'stalker' all day every day? You wouldn't, no way. So there was no way she was truly scared for her safety. So that means that calling the cops about that would pretty much be like making a false report to LE. You don't voluntarily stay somewhere where you're being stalked & voluntarily interact/taunt your alleged stalker all day every day.
It's just weird that they all stopped posting right at the same time, right after they all got super nasty with each other & started threatening to call the cops on each other.

Anybody know why any of them stopped posting?

I think there's a bunch of people that will start posting here again once they see that a few if the particularly nasty posters stopped posting all the time. A lot of people just got tired of constantly being attacked by these people who have this weird agenda.

Jenkins wrote:

Gee, I wonder who 'Jane curtain' is.....& wow I gotta say, judging by her post calling whiston an "ignorant slut" it's obvious she isn't ignorant at all, you know she's not ignorant when she makes comments like that, takes some serious wisdom & knowledge to come up with a comment like that, I'm seriously impressed.

"Dan, you pompous a$$". Old SNL stuff. Must be the beag.

Jenkins wrote:

I think there's a bunch of people that will start posting here again once they see that a few if the particularly nasty posters stopped posting all the time. A lot of people just got tired of constantly being attacked by these people who have this weird agenda.

I guessing it is more likely that they are looking at the quality of the poster that is left and realize that there really isn't much to talk about.

It kind of a shame. This use to be a pretty lively forum
for discussions. Too bad one person virtually brought it to a stand still with the constant nonsensical drivel and the constant mutterings with the same bone headed themes over and over and over. Even shack is so bored she hardly pops in. I think you and shack will have some fascinating conversations with each other. I'm sure you two will have this solved in no time.

And I doubt any of us are "gone". Just see no reason to respond to your nonsense.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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I guessing it is more likely that they are looking at the quality of the poster that is left and realize that there really isn't much to talk about ... And I doubt any of us are "gone". Just see no reason to respond to your nonsense.
Bill

^^
This.

And for the clueless amongst us ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

She was dismissed from West Point for a code of conduct violation as well but I have yet to see an explanation of those details. Seems she was not the little angel that daddy and Mrs. Rausch wanted her to be. I believe she was going to be kicked out of school and that pushed her to make a decision to leave.

BillNH wrote:

She was dismissed from West Point for a code of conduct violation as well but I have yet to see an explanation of those details. Seems she was not the little angel that daddy and Mrs. Rausch wanted her to be. I believe she was going to be kicked out of school and that pushed her to make a decision to leave.

I had said years ago that it is highly unusual for anyone to leave one of the service academies after they were accepted. Back then there was nothing known about Maura's propensity for stealing. I don't know for certain that is what happened at WP but I know that there does seem to be indications that is what happened there and that would explain her sudden departure.

She was a high achiever and I expect everyone expected high results from her as well. I am sure that was a tremendous disappointment for her, a second criminal charge, especially considering the profession she was expecting to go into. They don't suffer criminal activity in that profession lightly. The actual scheme is so stupid it makes one wonder if she wanted to get caught, maybe a cry for help? But then everyone was able to sweep it under the carpet, apparently. Also her running away with the alcohol and then crashing her car. I still think that may have been the last straw for her. At that point, suicide may have looked like a rational option after the car crash, with alcohol on board, as has been mentioned many times before.

Bill

Hi all just done a quick search and in 2004 20 to 25% of students left Westpoint.The non graduate rate was up 5% from prior years due to worries about being deployed.On the other hand I am so glad that posters are thinking about Mauras' prior life.When a person goes missing that is where to look.Maybe other people had had there credit information stolen and 'did not want to get Maura in to trouble' as long as they were paid back.take care philip

I think what happened in the days, weeks or possibly years prior to her disappearance hold the keys to what happened to her. I watched the "Disappeared" episode 3 nights ago for the first time and my first thought was that Fred is a creepy guy and he is holding some key information. I don't however think she was abducted/murdered or committed suicide. I firmly believe she was on her way to Canada and Fred knows why. His pleas the day after she disappeared for her to "come home, we will work it out" sounded genuine and I think he really knows what triggered her flight. His later comments about a "local dirtbag" taking her was uncalled for but strong words aimed to deflect his guilt. When he petitioned the court for police records, they had a closed door session with the AG and the judge because they did not want Fred to hear some bits of information. This just makes me more sure that Fred knows more than he is letting on.

whiston wrote:

Hi all just done a quick search and in 2004 20 to 25% of students left Westpoint.

I believe the word "left" is a misnomer. That likely includes people dismissed or forced to drop out from the academy and likely makes up the majority of those 20-25%. Not everyone can make it as an officer in the military. I still believe that it is highly unusual for someone to "voluntarily" leave the academy. Most that "leave" the academy were asked to leave before being kicked out.

Bill

Jenkins wrote:

Gee, I wonder who 'Jane curtain' is.....& wow I gotta say, judging by her post calling whiston an "ignorant slut" it's obvious she isn't ignorant at all, you know she's not ignorant when she makes comments like that, takes some serious wisdom & knowledge to come up with a comment like that, I'm seriously impressed.

Dont get your hopes up. Im just a monkey pounding on a keyboard.

mcsmom wrote:

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Another thing, if Maura had been involved in this credit card debacle, why was she continuing to work security, and whiston can you check your sources on the transfer status from West Point. From what I gather under the harsh terms that has been publicly issued, how was it that Maura was able to transfer her credits to UMASS. She must have been a student in good standing from WP.

I don't know what you mean by "IF" did you not see the police report? Maybe the school was waiting to see the outcome of the probation, or maybe she wrote a letter explaining it was a mistake. But to say "IF" she was involved when she signed a confession is silly.

If West Point asks you to leave, they aren't going to be jerks and hold back your credits. If your not cadet material and they ask you to leave, it doesn't mean that the courses you accumulated shouldn't be transferred.

I don't mean to pick on you MCSMOM but it just looks like you are grasping at straws to try to erase any wrong doing from the person who went missing. If you want to erase or rewrite the history of the person who went missing you will probably never find the truth that happened to them.

I have seen this question raised several times here and on other sites.."credit card fraud....why was she working security?" Please understand that she was not carrying a gun and a badge and a walkee talkee and sworn to uphold the laws of the land til her death. The way I understand it, this security job was nothing more than a few students in the lobby of each dorm after hours checking ID's of the students coming in and making sure they belong there. Had these when I was in school. Mostly a chance to quietly do homework, catch up on sleep, read a book or perhaps in this case, leave for an hour and run down a pedestrian. A very low key job with little supervision. I think I read that her supervisor covered 16 dorms all over campus and only made it to each one only once a night.

BillNH wrote:

I have seen this question raised several times here and on other sites.."credit card fraud....why was she working security?" Please understand that she was not carrying a gun and a badge and a walkee talkee and sworn to uphold the laws of the land til her death. The way I understand it, this security job was nothing more than a few students in the lobby of each dorm after hours checking ID's of the students coming in and making sure they belong there. Had these when I was in school. Mostly a chance to quietly do homework, catch up on sleep, read a book or perhaps in this case, leave for an hour and run down a pedestrian. A very low key job with little supervision. I think I read that her supervisor covered 16 dorms all over campus and only made it to each one only once a night.

oh, dear. seems like BillNH has reality-based thought processes and may act as a myth-buster. hang on, as the wind blows hard, sir. we've all taken a crack at this to tamp down the infusion of nonsense and exaggerated claims made about MM's abilities and accomplishments. welcome.