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citigirl wrote:

WTH I have a question please. BillNH stated in a previous posting they are friends with the new owner that bought RFs house. BillNH stated that cadaver dogs were in another area searching for another reason possibbly a missing hiker on MT Washington. Then stating that after this other search cadaver dogs went and searched RFs property concerning Maura and said the area was cleared. Although I know nothing about cadaver dogs to me it sounded unusual that the dogs would brought to 2 seperate areas concerning 2 different cases. I personally think this would be very confusing to the dogs. Could you please give me your opinion on this. Thank you.

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whatif wrote:

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thanks for your response and perspective, wth-the-original. i appreciate you taking the time to answer my question.
what follows is pure speculation and conjecture on my part, none of which changes the fact that maura went missing. i've also been doing my due diligence in going through past postings to be sure i'm not retreading ground. to my knowledge thus far, this has not been brought up for discussion before, but if it has, my apologies. my point in tossing this speculation out is to toss out a theory for discussion and to hear your feedback on whether my theory is plausible, and why it may or may not be.
in case it haven't been clear enough yet, what follows is next is PURE SPECULATION.
perhaps mr. atwood (sbd) either indicated to maura that he was, in fact, going to call police (whether or not she wanted him to) or he implied it strongly enough that, once he was gone, maura began gathering items from inside her vehicle and either stuffed them in her backpack or into her bags, which she may have then transferred from the rear seat to the trunk, taking her backpack of course. while she was in her trunk, she may have thought that stuffing the rag in the exhaust would have prevented it from starting up (to prevent it from being stolen). with the tailpipe being hot, she grabbed her plastic coke bottle she had in the car, poured what contents remained on the ground and used it to stuff the rag up the tailpipe as far as she could manage and then tossed the plastic bottle either under the car or flung it away towards the tree line, wherever it landed that smith eventually discovered it. and then, in that mysterious few minutes, maybe maura didn't run east or west or into the deep forest. maybe she only ran far enough away from the scene where she could be hidden enough to not be discovered, but from a spot where she could still see the scene. perhaps she was hoping she could wait out the police response, wait for them to come and go and then, when the coast was clear, she could return to the car and hop in and drive away. but what she didn't plan or count on was law enforcement having the vehicle towed. and maybe when she saw that occur, she then realized she was in an even worse spot than she imagined. so, once law enforcement were finally clear of the scene, it was then maura came out of hiding and headed off in whichever direction to who knows where.
so, as a number of you replied, law enforcement – depending on the circumstances – may or may not have the vehicle towed. given the circumstances of where and how maura's car ended up, crashed on a dangerous curve, law enforcement had it towed. maybe maura was hoping they would just note it or leave a citation and she would be able to return to the vehicle shortly after they had gone.
this brings me to the end of this bit of speculation. i'd be interested to hear from you all if there is anything of the known facts of her disappearance that night that would make this not plausible. i'm not inclined to say if you cannot disprove it, then it must be true. i'm just looking for a plausible reason why she might have been able to disappear in such a small window of a few minutes. thanks for humoring me.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>No one ever stated the car was unmoveable. First responders dont know why Maura just didnt get in the vehicle and drive off.

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Jenkins wrote:

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This is something that indicates to me that she thought that the car was undriveable.
There is some indications that the car actually stalled before entering the corner and that's what caused the crash, not spinning out after like was written in smith's flawed report.
I still wonder if the rag is what caused all of this. A rag can be used to stall an engine, I don't care what these anonymous people on topix post about it. It is possible. Both professional mechanics that spoke on record regarding this case both clearly stated that a rag could be a good way to stall an engine.
We kno the engine ran fine when billy & Fred went to check out the car bc it started up perfectly, but this was after the rag was removed.
If she was driving down the road and the car stalled, causing her to crash, I don't see her thinking that she was gonna be able to take the car very much further. Probably very unaware that someone stuck a rag in her tailpipe causing it to stall.
It seems crazy but it actually is a logical possibility. Some sick fuck with knowledge of cars stuffs a rag in her muffler knowing that it will stall a mile or 2 or further down the road. Then he can come along and look like a hero,'helping' her get away from a shitty situation only to abduct her once she's in the car.
IMO the fact that she didn't try to drive it away only strengthens the theory that the car stalled before the curve. Since the car ran fine after we have to look for something that could've temporarily disabled the car, which a rag CAN do. And what do you know?! A rag was found in her tailpipe.
IMO the rag in the tailpipe very well might be the evidence of foul play people are looking for.
We got a missing girl who's car likely stalled out on her.
We have evidence the car did stalk out on her.
She didn't try to drive a working car away from the scene.
And a rag gets found in her tailpipe.
Put 2 & 2 together here people, take your heads out of the sand.
I find it completely unbelievable that she placed the rag there, makes no sense. Who has EVER heard of ANYONE putting a rag in their muffler after a crash?? Ever? Nobody has ever put forth any sort of logical reason as to why she would take this completely strange and never done action.
The rag very well may be the key to this whole thing, maybe not, but anyone who just writes it off intentionally has their head in the sand, sorry to say.

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Jenkins wrote:

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This is something that indicates to me that she thought that the car was undriveable.
There is some indications that the car actually stalled before entering the corner and that's what caused the crash, not spinning out after like was written in smith's flawed report.
I still wonder if the rag is what caused all of this. A rag can be used to stall an engine, I don't care what these anonymous people on topix post about it. It is possible. Both professional mechanics that spoke on record regarding this case both clearly stated that a rag could be a good way to stall an engine.
We kno the engine ran fine when billy & Fred went to check out the car bc it started up perfectly, but this was after the rag was removed.
If she was driving down the road and the car stalled, causing her to crash, I don't see her thinking that she was gonna be able to take the car very much further. Probably very unaware that someone stuck a rag in her tailpipe causing it to stall.
It seems crazy but it actually is a logical possibility. Some sick fuck with knowledge of cars stuffs a rag in her muffler knowing that it will stall a mile or 2 or further down the road. Then he can come along and look like a hero,'helping' her get away from a shitty situation only to abduct her once she's in the car.
IMO the fact that she didn't try to drive it away only strengthens the theory that the car stalled before the curve. Since the car ran fine after we have to look for something that could've temporarily disabled the car, which a rag CAN do. And what do you know?! A rag was found in her tailpipe.
IMO the rag in the tailpipe very well might be the evidence of foul play people are looking for.
We got a missing girl who's car likely stalled out on her.
We have evidence the car did stalk out on her.
She didn't try to drive a working car away from the scene.
And a rag gets found in her tailpipe.
Put 2 & 2 together here people, take your heads out of the sand.
I find it completely unbelievable that she placed the rag there, makes no sense. Who has EVER heard of ANYONE putting a rag in their muffler after a crash?? Ever? Nobody has ever put forth any sort of logical reason as to why she would take this completely strange and never done action.
The rag very well may be the key to this whole thing, maybe not, but anyone who just writes it off intentionally has their head in the sand, sorry to say.

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Jenkins wrote:

<quoted text>we have to look for something that could've temporarily disabled the car, which a rag CAN do.

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BillNH wrote:

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Also consider this: Yes a rag (or anything that fits snug) can stall a vehicle or keep it from starting, but if there were any leaks in the exhaust system between the engine and the blockage, it would not stall the vehicle. An 8 year old car, in New England, unless the exhaust system was new, it probably had leaks.

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BillNH wrote:

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She could have just taken the key to prevent it from being stolen (I don't recall whether the keys were still in it or not)
I think it would be a real stretch for her to think that they would just leave it IN the road in that spot. Even if you don't know the area or the local procedure...It was clearly blocking a good portion of the road.
Nice job connecting it all up though, wondered where all the questions were headed.

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BillNH wrote:

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The people that called in the accident (can't remember the name, too lazy to look it up) said that they heard the car accelerate immediately before the crash. This would not be consistent with a stalled vehicle.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry but it was not blocking the road. Why did witnesses say it was in the ditch?

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>No they said nothing about a crash. They said they heard a car accelerate and then heard a thump. Bill NH"{can't remember the name,to lazy to look it up} Have some respect for the elderly.

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BillNH wrote:

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I called myself lazy, if anyone, I disrespected myself. Once again you are either not reading, or not comprehending the things that are posted here. Picking apart insignificant details or words is incredibly disrespectful to the people that are trying to make sense of all this. Glass houses, stones...you know the story, try comprehending it.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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Bill - you have to understand the source of the posts. Citigirl - claims to be family with MM. Whether or not, if she is family, or wasn't is really insignificant. The role she plays in this forum is. She plays the role: whenever anyone says anything that could be taken as negative about Maura she says "assumption". As if the word discredits the poster or the post. She also will knitpick any small detail of the post that is wrong to try and disprove any negative theory that may be given.
Just because details are wrong or missing doesn't mean the theory or assumption was wrong. For example when Galileo first discovered Saturn he made the "assumption" or theory that Saturn was a planet. due to his limited telescope he assumed the rings at the time were two moons stuck in orbit. Had citigirl argued with him that he was wrong about the moons, and they were actually rings she would have been right, but the main theory of saturn being a planet has been confirmed true.
One would have to assume or make a logical theory that someone randomly leaving school "And not telling anyone" or the people who know why or where she was going don't want to say probably has some negative reason behind what made her leave. I also don't think having an open container of alchol whether being used as a paperweight or airfreshner would lead to having any positive results.

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mcsmom wrote:

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Citigirl is family and like anyone else would, she responds accordingly. One might assume that because certain things are said or not said, she may have a perfectly good reason for this. It's a public forum, and you just never know.
Somehow we all jumped on the train of entitlement. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, and I've made my mistakes along the way, but I try to respect their long lost privacy, and sensitive to the humiliation of being scrutinized at every turn.

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citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry but it was not blocking the road.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Therefore I do not think that trying to speculate on her actions using the 'common sense' principal will give you good results.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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So citigirl can scrutinize posters on a public forum, but if we make a rebuttal back to her posts we have to respect her privacy?
Seems like the ground work is all set for a fair and factual conversation.

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FrmLE wrote:

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Regardless of whether the car was blocking the road or not, it was going to be towed from the scene as a result of the accident. That's how it works.
I seriously doubt that Maura would have known what LE policy is regarding towing cars etc, however it is obvious to me that she could not drive the car from the scene and she knew the police were going to be coming sooner or later, probably sooner.
I think she decided to leave the car so as not to encounter the Police because she either had been drinking and had alcohol in the car. She may or may not have had a plan about what to do beyond leaving the car, however she gathered her things up and left the car before the cops came.
It is important to understand that people do not always make smart decisions, they do not always have a plan about what to do let alone a good plan about what to do.
Sometimes,(actually often times) people react on instinct without thinking, they make bad choices and do stupid things.
I think I said this before but I had a young man RUN FROM ME AND JUMP OFF A BRIDGE!!!! to avoid a minor alcohol charge. He broke both legs and several other bones. He also turned a violation level offense that carried a $150 fine into a Class A Misdemeanor level Resisting Arrest charge.
Now, if you are looking back trying to make sense of that mans actions, based on your common sense at the time you are typing on some blog, can you really say that made sense?
Of course not, most of you would sit here and say "he never would have done that, it makes no sense!" Just like you try to apply current common sense to the things that Maura would or wouldn't have done back then.
A piece of advice I learned from many years Investigating Crimes, do not apply your common sense to the actions of any other person, especially a person in trouble, using alcohol or drugs, or in emotional or mental distress.
I think Maura was at least 3 of those things, I think she was in trouble, she was using alcohol, and she was in emotional distress.
Therefore I do not think that trying to speculate on her actions using the 'common sense' principal will give you good results.