Maura Murray

amy researches wrote:

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Jenkins, there is a February 4 post on the MM Facebook group from a retired NH trooper who participated in the line searches for Maura. I'm not going to post his name here, but hopefully you can find it.
In his post he states:
"There was as I recall a "person of interest" who lived in close proximity to where her car was located. We were instructed explicitly not to go on his property and that he had an attorney who had gotten a court order barring us from accessing his property in any way."
Didn't the search he is referencing take place before RF's sighting was reported? Does anyone know? If so, it looks like he was already a POI and had already gotten a lawyer at that time.

Hey Amy- he definitely was not talking about the cw, he was talking about concrete boy, this is the person that was referenced in the court case as being from a prominent family, I'm sure you remember that whole thing.

IMHO he is the number 1 suspect. This is the guy who many people around town think murdered her, including his own family & has supposedly even been heard bragging about the crime around town & IMO this is what the one way intercept referenced is about, tryin to get him on tape bragging to use as pc for a search warrant.

The nhsp asked permission to search & were denied. This is what that trooper was probably talking about. They also tried to obtain search warrants on the place, supposedly on 2 seperate occasions. At least one of these times they specifically applied to run a ground penetrating radar over a concretete slab that was suspiciously poured in the days or weeks following her dissapearance.it is not common for concrete to be poured in Nh in the middle of winter, the concrete doesn't cure properly when it's below freezing. People also say that this Slab serves no apparent purpose but but idk if that's just rumor. But I can tell you is is strange to pour concrete in February

So there's this rumor going around town, but I've also heard the same exact thing from someone I know who's in the nhsp and not connected to anyone in the area in any way; meaning he didn't hear the rumor that's been going around town & he said basically the same thing that the rumors did, so there is truth to the stories about the cops wanting to search this guy's property & them being unable to do so. That part of the rumor is true, I obviosly can't speak to the veracity of the other parts of it only that LE was denied permission & were also denied a warrant to run their GPR over the concrete slab.

What search are you talking about there amy? In that post you quoted he says that they weren't allowed to search the guy's property so no search ever actually happened. I'm not certain, but I believe they asked permission to search his property after cw's 'sighting' was reported. I believe he became a poi a little bit later, but before the court case in '06.

That piece of info about the guy hiring a lawyer is very interesting, I'll tell you that much. I knew they were denied permission but I had no idea he actually had a lawyer get a court order barring them from going on his property! That's a pretty extreme move to make. His family owns a fairly large company so I would imagine they could have already had a lawyer on retainer but getting a court order preventing the nhsp from going on his property just seems extreme. Either way it's very interesting, thanks for sharing that Amy I'm gonna have to go on fb n check that post out.

I wonder when this dude hired a lawyer.

I got the sense the RC Stevens got involved in this case early on simply for publicity & nothing also.

Contrary to what Alden used to say under one of his 50 monikers the 'Murray clan' didn't pay for his services.

IMO he saw that this case was gettin national news coverage & wanted to take advantage of that fact to get himself some media coverage as well, smart guy.

I get the sense many of these PI's got involved for the media attention. Many people don't even really know PI's truly exist, well they know they exist but think its more something in the movies, or something like that. A PI gettin his name in some media articles will bring him more business by letting people know he's out there. It's a good form of advertising bc by providing free PI services to the family of a missing person they look like a good guy, someone out to help people. It's probably a much more effective means of advertising than placing an ad in the paper or other form of media.

I feel most of the PI's involved in this case did so for that reason, I'm sure they wanted to help don't get me wrong, but im sure the extra publicity played a role in their decision. Notice how RCS got involved early when the case was still hot & in the media a lot & then we never heard anything from the guy again, clearly he didn't do that much except MAYBE ask if Alden killed her, but I have serious doubts that ever even happened, I kinda think Alden made that up to but that's jmo.

Whole post is jmo of course.

The nasty email author at Renners site has spelled favor, favour. Reminds me of Cyber Law spelling, origin.

Below is a websleuths post from Cyner Law circa. 2005: note the spelling of behavior, knapsack instead of backpack.

Cyber law:
"She was driving her Father's car on the night of the "suspected drinking and driving "accident"" at 3:30 a.m. on Sunday February 8, 2004.
She was at a party in another dorm room, and did not have to "drive" home or "drive at all to return home from the party."
Drinking and driving is a danger not only to the driver but to every other person driving or walking.
Very, irresponsible, poor judgement and very dangerous. Lots of innocent people die that way....
She went to a party and was drinking, left around 2:30 -3:00 a.m. She "suddenly decided to go wake up "Dad" in the middle of the night.
Again people who have been drinking have poor judgement.
Her friends told her just to go back to her room. One friend was passed out.
She got behind the wheel of her Father's new car, crashed into a "road post,
Her Dad found out about this that morning. Was she "honest about the circumstances" about this accident.?
I guess Dad would wonder why she was travelling to see him at 3:30 a.m. after a party if she had been honest.
Or even if she did not tell him about the party, why she would not just call him at 3:30 a.m. and decide to drive over and see him.
Why would she feel that she needed to go to his hotel room and wake him up.
Now do you think that her Dad was still willing to "help" her buy a new car after that and do you really think that she wanted to report the "accident" and fill out the insurance forms considering the circumstances of the accident.
Guess what......if it was my child, the answer to a)would be, I am not even going to consider buying you a new car after you decided to drink and drive and caused, 10K in damage. Your driving priviledges are suspended and you are darn lucky that a)you are not dead and b)someone else is not dead.
If you got arrested, while at least you are still alive.
I am extremely disappointed and thank god that you are still alive. I though I raised you in a better manner then to decide to break the law.
I hope that the Insurance company "may" honor the claim. If there is evidence(by interviewing other students)that alcohol was a factor in the accident, the claim will be denied and Fred Murray is out 10K for his own car and the money he "may" have spent on Maura's new car, had he bought her one.
The insurance company would have investigated as soon as she filed the insurance form.
The insurance company will see glaring "RED FLAGS" in regards to the first accident. Especially considering her age.
Then the day after this accident on the evening of February 9, 2004, she has another accident in her own car where "alcohol" was a factor and "crashed".
She was drinking while she was driving, picked up booze "along" the way, with no food, and 4 bottles of booze.
She took her knapsack and the booze and took off for place(s) "unknown".
Am I the only person who a)has a problem with people who get behind the wheel of a car after drinking and b)people who drink "while" they drive.
This is not the behaviour of a responsible person, nor someone who is showing good judgement considering all of her past "achievements".
Then low and behold she further exhibits "irresponsible behaviour" by taking off."

Mcsmom wrote:

The nasty email author at Renners site has spelled favor, favour. Reminds me of Cyber Law spelling, origin.

Exactly....Just as someone else does on this forum occasionally.

Tang Zoi wrote:

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Exactly....Just as someone else does on this forum occasionally.

So you have an opinion about an opinion about an opinion, but dont know who's opinion it is.
You have no idea about relevance....just an unfounded belief.

Wow.

BSG saw the damage to Maura Murray's Saturn before it left Amherst MA and was found abandoned in Haverhill NH.

Who showed the Saturn to BSG?

Jenkins wrote:

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Hey Amy- he definitely was not talking about the cw, he was talking about concrete boy, this is the person that was referenced in the court case as being from a prominent family, I'm sure you remember that whole thing.
IMHO he is the number 1 suspect. This is the guy who many people around town think murdered her, including his own family & has supposedly even been heard bragging about the crime around town & IMO this is what the one way intercept referenced is about, tryin to get him on tape bragging to use as pc for a search warrant.
The nhsp asked permission to search & were denied. This is what that trooper was probably talking about. They also tried to obtain search warrants on the place, supposedly on 2 seperate occasions. At least one of these times they specifically applied to run a ground penetrating radar over a concretete slab that was suspiciously poured in the days or weeks following her dissapearance.it is not common for concrete to be poured in Nh in the middle of winter, the concrete doesn't cure properly when it's below freezing. People also say that this Slab serves no apparent purpose but but idk if that's just rumor. But I can tell you is is strange to pour concrete in February
So there's this rumor going around town, but I've also heard the same exact thing from someone I know who's in the nhsp and not connected to anyone in the area in any way; meaning he didn't hear the rumor that's been going around town & he said basically the same thing that the rumors did, so there is truth to the stories about the cops wanting to search this guy's property & them being unable to do so. That part of the rumor is true, I obviosly can't speak to the veracity of the other parts of it only that LE was denied permission & were also denied a warrant to run their GPR over the concrete slab.
What search are you talking about there amy? In that post you quoted he says that they weren't allowed to search the guy's property so no search ever actually happened. I'm not certain, but I believe they asked permission to search his property after cw's 'sighting' was reported. I believe he became a poi a little bit later, but before the court case in '06.
That piece of info about the guy hiring a lawyer is very interesting, I'll tell you that much. I knew they were denied permission but I had no idea he actually had a lawyer get a court order barring them from going on his property! That's a pretty extreme move to make. His family owns a fairly large company so I would imagine they could have already had a lawyer on retainer but getting a court order preventing the nhsp from going on his property just seems extreme. Either way it's very interesting, thanks for sharing that Amy I'm gonna have to go on fb n check that post out.
I wonder when this dude hired a lawyer.

Jenkins, I know who you're talking about but I don't think that's who this trooper is referring to. He specifically says a poi "who lived in close proximity to where her car was located". He guy you're talking about didn't live right there whwre her car crashed. This was a one day line search near where Maura's car crashed, according to the trooper, looking for signs of Maura like belongings of hers. There is more about this on the FB post. Maybe Bill can correct me here but I think this type of search would have been done fairly quickly after the person disappeared.

Mcsmom wrote:

The nasty email author at Renners site has spelled favor, favour. Reminds me of Cyber Law spelling, origin.

Favour is typical Candian spelling for favor.

Hey amy- about how far away from the wb curve did the guy who I'm talking about live?
I know that he isn't one of the houses right around the accident scene but he does live fairly close.

The nhsp has stated that they did an intensive search around the WB curve of up to 2 miles, would this guy's property fall within the 2 mile radius they're talkin about?

Hard to say for sure but I would think that within 2 miles would constitute 'close proximity', what do you think any?
I'd find it rather interesting if there was another poi who refused the search & not only refused it but also got a court order barring LE from his property. Unless you already have a lawyer on retainer it's gonna cost some money to have a lawyer go file an order like that. That's why I was thinking it was the guy I was talking about cuz I would imagine their company would have a lawyer on retainer. Either way it's a pretty extreme thing to actually have that filed, that means this person like REALLY didnt want LE on their property, whole thing is very interesting.
Thanks for sharing that post Amy.

Alden H Olson wrote:

BSG saw the damage to Maura Murray's Saturn before it left Amherst MA and was found abandoned in Haverhill NH.
Who showed the Saturn to BSG?

It's pretty clear no one is going to answer your question so why don't you tell us who you think saw the damage.

Jenkins wrote:

Hey amy- about how far away from the wb curve did the guy who I'm talking about live?
I know that he isn't one of the houses right around the accident scene but he does live fairly close.
The nhsp has stated that they did an intensive search around the WB curve of up to 2 miles, would this guy's property fall within the 2 mile radius they're talkin about?
Hard to say for sure but I would think that within 2 miles would constitute 'close proximity', what do you think any?
I'd find it rather interesting if there was another poi who refused the search & not only refused it but also got a court order barring LE from his property. Unless you already have a lawyer on retainer it's gonna cost some money to have a lawyer go file an order like that. That's why I was thinking it was the guy I was talking about cuz I would imagine their company would have a lawyer on retainer. Either way it's a pretty extreme thing to actually have that filed, that means this person like REALLY didnt want LE on their property, whole thing is very interesting.
Thanks for sharing that post Amy.

I have been told he lived about five miles away from the accident scene at that time. I have not confirmed this so don't know for sure. If the trooper is referring to the July 2004 line search near where the CW saw his sighting, you might be right. That is not the impression I got since he mentioned the area where her car wrecked, but maybe I am misunderstanding.

I'll post the whole post of the trooper in a separate post.

Jenkins, here is the post from the trooper including his comments on FB posted Feb 4 2013:

"Thank you for accepting my request. I am a retired NH trooper and my only involvement with this case was that I was one of the many that did the line searches in the area. This was the large one day organized event...

[I deleted some personal details he posted about himself.]

First let me say, I was not, nor am I today, purvey to much of the facts or evidence. There was as I recall a "person of interest" who lived in close proximity to where her car was located. We were instructed explicitly not to go on his property and that he had an attorney who had gotten a court order barring us from accessing his property in any way. We were assigned in teams and the "search" was a slow and concise walk along and through designated zones. The "zones" were overlapping and if we located any item, literally "any" item, we were to stop, and each team had a person who would document and collect anything located. I can not speak to the administrative reasons for areas to be searched, or direction or the duration of the search. I can say with complete sincerity that every one involved took the day very seriously. We all knew why we were there and what we were looking for....which was any thing that might give a direction to the investigation and determining what had become of Maura. You asked what my thoughts were at the time and the best I can say in speaking to that is, I'd like to have some to alone with the "person of interest". I still feel that way today. But that's the cop in me and society frowns on such actions, maybe they are right. Some cases are never solved and that is always a bitter pill but the reality of mankind. In my heart, I truly wish I knew what happened but I am confident, Maura did not harm herself and, did not succumb to the elements. I also know God is righteous and one day, there is some one who will answer for what happened to her and I do not believe He shows mercy on such creatures. A final note about the search. The state police did not organize that with whomever was available. My troop assignment was Troop A, on the sea coast. Haverhill is a long drive and it was a long day, though I understand that one long day pales compared to the every long day for her friends and family. I hope this may answer some of your inquires of me, though I suspect you know much more than I do again, my part was minuscule. If you will permit me to ask now, how is Maura's dad? I understand this never goes away from him and my condolences mean little, but I can sympathize with him."

Jenkins wrote:

Hey amy- about how far away from the wb curve did the guy who I'm talking about live?
I know that he isn't one of the houses right around the accident scene but he does live fairly close.
The nhsp has stated that they did an intensive search around the WB curve of up to 2 miles, would this guy's property fall within the 2 mile radius they're talkin about?
Hard to say for sure but I would think that within 2 miles would constitute 'close proximity', what do you think any?
I'd find it rather interesting if there was another poi who refused the search & not only refused it but also got a court order barring LE from his property. Unless you already have a lawyer on retainer it's gonna cost some money to have a lawyer go file an order like that. That's why I was thinking it was the guy I was talking about cuz I would imagine their company would have a lawyer on retainer. Either way it's a pretty extreme thing to actually have that filed, that means this person like REALLY didnt want LE on their property, whole thing is very interesting.
Thanks for sharing that post Amy.

There are a good number of reasons why a search of property would not be welcome. Only one of them involves hiding a body. Just my opinion, but thought I would get it out there before we twist into a frenzy over concrete boy.

That being said, can someone direct me to the information on concrete boy? Is there any posted anywhere?

Jenkins wrote:

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Hey Amy- he definitely was not talking about the cw, he was talking about concrete boy, this is the person that was referenced in the court case as being from a prominent family, I'm sure you remember that whole thing.
IMHO he is the number 1 suspect. This is the guy who many people around town think murdered her, including his own family & has supposedly even been heard bragging about the crime around town & IMO this is what the one way intercept referenced is about, tryin to get him on tape bragging to use as pc for a search warrant.
The nhsp asked permission to search & were denied. This is what that trooper was probably talking about. They also tried to obtain search warrants on the place, supposedly on 2 seperate occasions. At least one of these times they specifically applied to run a ground penetrating radar over a concretete slab that was suspiciously poured in the days or weeks following her dissapearance.it is not common for concrete to be poured in Nh in the middle of winter, the concrete doesn't cure properly when it's below freezing. People also say that this Slab serves no apparent purpose but but idk if that's just rumor. But I can tell you is is strange to pour concrete in February
So there's this rumor going around town, but I've also heard the same exact thing from someone I know who's in the nhsp and not connected to anyone in the area in any way; meaning he didn't hear the rumor that's been going around town & he said basically the same thing that the rumors did, so there is truth to the stories about the cops wanting to search this guy's property & them being unable to do so. That part of the rumor is true, I obviosly can't speak to the veracity of the other parts of it only that LE was denied permission & were also denied a warrant to run their GPR over the concrete slab.
What search are you talking about there amy? In that post you quoted he says that they weren't allowed to search the guy's property so no search ever actually happened. I'm not certain, but I believe they asked permission to search his property after cw's 'sighting' was reported. I believe he became a poi a little bit later, but before the court case in '06.
That piece of info about the guy hiring a lawyer is very interesting, I'll tell you that much. I knew they were denied permission but I had no idea he actually had a lawyer get a court order barring them from going on his property! That's a pretty extreme move to make. His family owns a fairly large company so I would imagine they could have already had a lawyer on retainer but getting a court order preventing the nhsp from going on his property just seems extreme. Either way it's very interesting, thanks for sharing that Amy I'm gonna have to go on fb n check that post out.
I wonder when this dude hired a lawyer.

I'll also add that the court docs referred to persons of interest - more than one.

Not saying these guys are guilty of anything. And we have no way to know which persons of interest were referred to in court. But it could well be that both of these people were POIs.

Alden H Olson wrote:

BSG saw the damage to Maura Murray's Saturn before it left Amherst MA and was found abandoned in Haverhill NH.
Who showed the Saturn to BSG?

No he didn't, at least according to 'BSG' himself he didn't. You know as well as I, why are you making this crap up?

Nobody showed it to BSG because he didn't see it! My god man!!

Will someone else who lives in the w mass area please go talk to the BSG & confirm that Alden is making this up completely?

If one more person goes in and confirms what the BSG told me then it would show everyone beyond a reasonable doubt that Alden has completely 100% made this whole story up.

Funny how you only started saying this crap AFTER it came to light that you were in fact in NH when Maura went missing & you were drivin a red truck with mass plates. How stupid do you think everyone is??

Can you cut this charade? Why don't you go back to making up stories about your yard being vandalized? You do realize that the lawn mower in your picture is NOT damaged at all right? What a loser, you put a log on your mower to try n trick people into thinking your yard was vandalized? Anybody who actually believed your yard got vandalized has gotta be an idiot. Your mower is perfectly fine, it just has a log you placed there on it. How stupid do you think people are??
Better yet Why don't you go back to crying about me saying that you deserve to have your ass kicked for posting YouTubes that taunted the family of a missing girl? Really dude? You post a video called 'happy anniversary' on the anniversary of her dissapearance in which you laugh for about a minute straight??? What kind of sick fuck are you anyways?? The kind that just gets a kick out of taunting the family of a missing girl or are you the kind that actually abducts & murders girls?
I just love how on your dirtbag blog it still says I threatened you when you know as well as I that I did NOT threaten you. Big difference between saying someone DESERVES to get their ass kicked & threatening to actually do it. & btw, you DO deserve that, I'm not gonna do it but anyone who goes around taunting the family of a missing person & making up lies about the missing person, trying to get people to think she was involved in a hit & run does deserve a smacking around a little bit.

Dude you got serious issues, you seriously gotta drop this obsession with MM that you have. Either go to LE and admit that you killed her if you did, or stop making shit up about her. Come on! What is wrong with you??

Mcsmom wrote:

The nasty email author at Renners site has spelled favor, favour. Reminds me of Cyber Law spelling, origin.

Wow this nasty email has alot of anger and hatred toward Maura and her friend. Several of the comments in this email sounded racist to me. I personally see this email and as to who wrote it as a big red flag concerning Mauras disappearence.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>Wow this nasty email has alot of anger and hatred toward Maura and her friend. Several of the comments in this email sounded racist to me. I personally see this email and as to who wrote it as a big red flag concerning Mauras disappearence.

CyberLaw...Bjack....Suru.....H eronIn TheSnow....

amy researches "Jenkins, I know who you're talking about but I don't think that's who this trooper is referring to. He specifically says a poi "who lived in close proximity to where her car was located"." CW lived in close proximity to where her car was located. CW would not allow his propery to be searched from the beginning. The front of his house and trailer faced rt 112 and if you turned up BHR his trailer and house were the first 2 dwellings to the right on BHR. It was the trailer and then the house next to the trailer.

citigirl wrote:

amy researches "Jenkins, I know who you're talking about but I don't think that's who this trooper is referring to. He specifically says a poi "who lived in close proximity to where her car was located"." CW lived in close proximity to where her car was located. CW would not allow his propery to be searched from the beginning. The front of his house and trailer faced rt 112 and if you turned up BHR his trailer and house were the first 2 dwellings to the right on BHR. It was the trailer and then the house next to the trailer.

Iam not saying CW is guilty of anything. Trying to give Jenkins a better picture as to what was there and happened in the beginning days and months after Maura disappeared.