Maura Murray

Who was driving the Saturn @ the weathered Barn corner on Feb. 9th 2004..?

The damage to the saturn did not happen where the car was found.

Did the scent dogs really follow ANY SCENT that day. I don't think so.

Was there 2 people in the saturn @ the WB Corner..?

SnowyB wrote:

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for whichever rule you choose to apply, the answers you supply are not proven to be correct or definitive.
rational reasoning with associated intelligence is not one-dimensional.
likewise, you will continue to believe what suits you.

And again we are back to terminology that isn't understood well by some.

Nothing is said to be proved correct or definitive until the solution is found. What we do have is logic tools used to determine the correct and definitive. My beliefs have nothing to do with it. These are tools used for centuries to separate facts from bullshit to get to the correct answer and not send us scurrying down needless rabbit holes wasting time. Some like the scurrying, usually writers of fiction, people searching for truth usually don't. Your wishes or beliefs are used by mystics to divine answers and make stories. Pick one way of investigation or the other. You really can't have both.

If you want to believe that it wasn't Maura driving Maura's car that is fine. The rules state there must be a compelling reason for that to be used in this investigation since the simpler solution, the logical solution, is that it was Maura driving Maura's car. Again, belief requires nothing. Logic requires answers to questions. If you are going to overly complicate what appears to be a very simple situation, logic requires a reason that would be needed to be done. And lets not forget all the other indicators that Maura was indeed heading away for a while at least, the emails, cash withdrawals etc.

Bill

Tang Zoi wrote:

Why are the GCSD logs different..?
Why are there edits and redactions...?
The person Who gave the family copies made a mistake......Wonder IF He is still employed.?

You claim to be a PI but come to Topix asking these dumb questions. Why aren't you investigating and asking questions to find the answers? You live in the area but have you gone and asked the GCSD or anyone else with the authority to answer your questions?
Have you asked to talk to someone one on one without family,other PI's or reporters?
Instead of badmouthing people why don't you investigate like real PI's do?
No one here has the answers you want so I can only conclude that you ask these questions to make others look stupid or incompitent.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>yes it is. The one on MMM is from the court documents that Fred had recieved.

So why post what the family believes to be the incorrect one? One that was received at a much later date than the other? Wouldn't the family garner more support for their cause, in their desire to involve the FBI if the correct one is posted instead? Or post them both to show a discrepancy?

Conspiracy, Murder-One of an officer, Human Traficking. This is definately a death penalty case. All these cohorts should be severely punished. I hope Obama wakes up from his dogmatic slumber and sends y'all to guantanimo, to death row, or both. It's obvious that there is a clan here that is deliberatly trying to obstruct justice. It is obvious that Kelly Ayotte has failed once again to deliver justice. I'd say her willful malfeasance is fitting. It's hard to fathom how dangerous a treason is being perpetuated currently, here, in the direct view of our Commander in chief. Everyday that it goes unpunished is deleterious to our Country.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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You claim to be a PI but come to Topix asking these dumb questions. Why aren't you investigating and asking questions to find the answers? You live in the area but have you gone and asked the GCSD or anyone else with the authority to answer your questions?
Have you asked to talk to someone one on one without family,other PI's or reporters?
Instead of badmouthing people why don't you investigate like real PI's do?
No one here has the answers you want so I can only conclude that you ask these questions to make others look stupid or incompitent.

I have answers, lots of them.

Yes I have talked to people about this.

I will post what I please when I please......

If You feel this makes You look stupid.....Well that is Ypour own problem.....Insecure much..?

before i look at the newest blog post, i need to reflect on the Green comment that stands out by his attempt at due diligence and the subsequent flop in addressing the "email".
he starts with a search focus that assumes a topix poster might be responsible -

"I hashed out a set of search terms based on curious or poignant phrases or transitions used by the poster. I then used them in a bunlde of searches on Topix, trying to see if hits on any particular poster kept coming up. No luck. Tried it also on Google without success."

...before launching into a Beagle rant.
with an obviously closed mind, and focused hatred for "the creep", little but stirring up drama is achieved.

i trust the bond between mr renner and mr green is their mutual disdain and hatred for Alden.

remember, they cN control the content of the blog, but they choose to feature Beagle.
time and words wasted, imho.
(unedited for time saving)

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Nothing is said to be proved correct or definitive until the solution is found. What we do have is logic tools used to determine the correct and definitive.
If you want to believe that it wasn't Maura driving Maura's car that is fine. The rules state there must be a compelling reason for that to be used in this investigation since the simpler solution, the logical...

I add another charge against you primative humans.
Laziness.
I ask the jury...what other reason would these humans call an obvious non answer an answer...in the name of logic.
Why else would they continue to work so hard for an answer that obviously isn't there based on flimsy logic?
I think their acquittal at far point has made them arrogant.
But they still seem far below the task of expanding their minds.

citigirl wrote:

<quoted text>yes it is. The one on MMM is from the court documents that Fred had recieved.

Ok, thank you Citigirl. I apologize because I think I misunderstood you. I have not seen the version you have then. I have seen 3 others. Tang has the 3 versions I am talking about because he and I emailed back and forth about this last year. We were comparing the portion near where there is an entry of being off with 2 snowmobiles. This is where there is a time gap in the logs and one version had a blank section like something was redacted out. Hopefully this makes enough sense that you know what I am referring to. I don't know if this is the same on your copy. Maybe Tang can send the other ones to you, if you don't have them already.

Qew wrote:

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I add another charge against you primative humans.
Laziness.
I ask the jury...what other reason would these humans call an obvious non answer an answer...in the name of logic.
Why else would they continue to work so hard for an answer that obviously isn't there based on flimsy logic?
I think their acquittal at far point has made them arrogant.
But they still seem far below the task of expanding their minds.

This isn't apparently the real Qew. The real Qew understands that there can be missing parts even in a legitimate logical inquiry. The fact you have no answer doesn't mean the method is incorrect, or that someone is lazy or that guessing is a better method. It simply means and intelligent people understand that all equations cannot be solved if there are too many unknowns. It is the people with too much free time on their hands that pointlessly windmill the known facts expecting to come up with a solution or go off on phantom searches in hopes of a better story. I can see that the equation is unsolvable with the current information. I would consider that a handy piece of information to have, unless I like wasting my time. This is the United States though. Meaning you are allowed to waste your time any way you see fit. I stopped "looking" for Maura a long time ago, when I saw that the equation is was clearly unsolvable with the few known facts. I stick around for the entertainment and to keep the few known facts straight from being bent until unrecognizable. But I am also waiting to see when that new piece of information comes to light. The piece that will solve this. The constant rehash is just funny.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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This isn't apparently the real Qew. The real Qew understands that there can be missing parts even in a legitimate logical inquiry. The fact you have no answer doesn't mean the method is incorrect, or that someone is lazy or that guessing is a better method. It simply means and intelligent people understand that all equations cannot be solved if there are too many unknowns. It is the people with too much free time on their hands that pointlessly windmill the known facts expecting to come up with a solution or go off on phantom searches in hopes of a better story. I can see that the equation is unsolvable with the current information. I would consider that a handy piece of information to have, unless I like wasting my time. This is the United States though. Meaning you are allowed to waste your time any way you see fit. I stopped "looking" for Maura a long time ago, when I saw that the equation is was clearly unsolvable with the few known facts. I stick around for the entertainment and to keep the few known facts straight from being bent until unrecognizable. But I am also waiting to see when that new piece of information comes to light. The piece that will solve this. The constant rehash is just funny.
Bill

NO BILL.....Tell us WHY You are really here.

IT IS BULLSHIT THAT YOU ARE SOLELY HERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES as well as keeping facts straight.

C'Mon....Really now.....WHY are You Here.....Why.?

John

WTH-the-original wrote:

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This isn't apparently the real Qew. The real Qew understands that there can be missing parts even in a legitimate logical inquiry. The fact you have no answer doesn't mean the method is incorrect, or that someone is lazy or that guessing is a better method. It simply means and intelligent people understand that all equations cannot be solved if there are too many unknowns. It is the people with too much free time on their hands that pointlessly windmill the known facts expecting to come up with a solution or go off on phantom searches in hopes of a better story. I can see that the equation is unsolvable with the current information. I would consider that a handy piece of information to have, unless I like wasting my time. This is the United States though. Meaning you are allowed to waste your time any way you see fit. I stopped "looking" for Maura a long time ago, when I saw that the equation is was clearly unsolvable with the few known facts. I stick around for the entertainment and to keep the few known facts straight from being bent until unrecognizable. But I am also waiting to see when that new piece of information comes to light. The piece that will solve this. The constant rehash is just funny.
Bill

superb; i can agree with this statement.

" I can see that the equation is unsolvable with the current information. I would consider that a handy piece of information to have, unless I like wasting my time. This is the United States though. Meaning you are allowed to waste your time any way you see fit. I stopped "looking" for Maura a long time ago, when I saw that the equation is was clearly unsolvable with the few known facts."

Tang Zoi wrote:

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NO BILL.....Tell us WHY You are really here.
IT IS BULLSHIT THAT YOU ARE SOLELY HERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES as well as keeping facts straight.
C'Mon....Really now.....WHY are You Here.....Why.?
John

John, you only seem to ask questions when you think, I said think, you know the "answer". Please tell everyone why I am here if not those reasons outlined. I am sure your musings will provide high grade entertainment for many. As they have in the past.

Bill

WTH-the-original wrote:

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John, you only seem to ask questions when you think, I said think, you know the "answer". Please tell everyone why I am here if not those reasons outlined. I am sure your musings will provide high grade entertainment for many. As they have in the past.
Bill

I disagree with John "knowing" the answers. Rather than present a theory that will be laughed at or immediately picked apart he has found it easy to phrase it as a question. You don't have to defend an innocent question.

Once John loses any argument he shoots back with a one-liner.

Lighthouse 101 wrote:

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I disagree with John "knowing" the answers. Rather than present a theory that will be laughed at or immediately picked apart he has found it easy to phrase it as a question. You don't have to defend an innocent question.
Once John loses any argument he shoots back with a one-liner.

And what I find absolutely hysterical is that there is one other person online who repeatedly does the same thing, and John seems to detest him for it.

We call it the throw "shit against the wall and see if anything sticks" method of investigation. Not logical, not useful, but very, very stinky.

I consider this supposed "knowledge" couched in the form of a question to be such a low form of inquiry to be not worth responding to. If someone thinks they have evidence of something legitimate, most people would just say what they have. Not play these childish games. NA na na na nah. I know (thinks he knows) something that you don't know. But it's a secret, I'm not going to share. If it isn't worth discussing with the group in general I suspect it's not worth talking about at all. And don't forget, considering John and a couple of these others track record, if they had ANYTHING that could be used to bolster their credibility, it would come shooting out of them like crap shooting out of a kid taking ex-lax.

Bill

What time did Maura have Her breakdown...?

Call to kathleen.......

Call to Billy......

Kathleen maybe told Her something to make Her call Billy a couple hours later. They talked for 7 min.

How many calls were on Billys cell phone in the days prior to and including Feb. 9th. 2004.? LOTS and lots.

Last call to Billy from maura @ 12:18 PM on the 7th.

Thinking again that Billy was aware She was upset prior to Her leaving on the 9th.

John

You know everything I write is NOT the truth....BUT yet You continue to play My game.

Why do You Play the game..?

Tang Zoi wrote:

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I have answers, lots of them.
Yes I have talked to people about this.
I will post what I please when I please......
If You feel this makes You look stupid.....Well that is Ypour own problem.....Insecure much..?

If you have answers then why are you here asking such idiotic questions?
Sorry but you are wrong again as your words and actions don't make anyone but YOU look stupid.

BillNH wrote:

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So why post what the family believes to be the incorrect one? One that was received at a much later date than the other? Wouldn't the family garner more support for their cause, in their desire to involve the FBI if the correct one is posted instead? Or post them both to show a discrepancy?

This is what posters have been asking for years and years and years...

Green got the supervisor´s name wrong. Too.