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John88Green wrote:

http://themmcommunity.wordpres s.com/2013/07/11/why-i-think-r ick-forcier-lied-a-personal-me ssage-to-mr-forcier/
Rick Forcier. I think he lied.

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Maruchan wrote:

Here we go again. Somebody criticizes Green, and he starts trying to control them by essentially insisting they apologize and remove any of their own personal opinions that he finds critical of him.
I predict it won't be long before "ashman99" is relegated to the troll category.
"ashman99 says:
July 11, 2013 at 1:36 pm
There are many that believe RF’s story was not accurate, but it is a large step to call him a liar and that he used Maura Murray for fame and notoriety…in a prelude to an article you are writing about Maura Murray that you intend to be successful and likely will give you some fame and notoriety, ie. piggybacking on Maura’s fate. It takes a lot away from everything else you wrote.
That said, your reasoning on the timing is sound but the rest is making an assumption that all people think and act like you do. I happen to think RF is quite a dimwit and was more or less talked into the 9th being the night he saw someone on the road.
Then you call him out as a liar for fame when LE gave whatever he said some credibility. I am not knocking LE here but it is not like RF went to the newspapers with this sighting to ensure his 'fame'. The sighting was checked out and called credible.
Asking him for an apology for wasting people’s time is a bit over the top as well, we could do the same for every person involved in this case, even the people who mistakenly saw MM in a Cumby’s in Southern NH and in a church in Vermont or Fred for changing his story from suicide to 'local dirtbag'.
I never heard of Rick 'joking' about raping Maura in his basement. I heard he joked about what a good cook she was, but not that he raped her…big difference. So if that was just a little extra for some shock value, perhaps you owe Rick the apology and you would be lucky if he doesn’t pop you in the jaw for it.
You are a skilled analyst John, but as gnomeny said above, stick to the facts to make your point. If your facts don’t make the point, then they aren’t good enough. Editorializing, personalizing and sensationalizing the facts does not make it more factual."
"John Green says:
July 11, 2013 at 2:10 pm
You are correct. Thank you for pointing it out.
I think, however, that your assessment that I want this article to give me 'fame and notoriety' and suggestion that I am on the same footing as I overalleged about Rick merits equally revision as my post did, which as you can see, I revised. I would appreciate it if you would back up over that part, as it is a false characterization of my motives, which I believe much else in my actions suggest.
I would say it another way too: you rightly called me out for making too harsh a personal attack when that is specifically what this forum is not about. I have taken my lumps, admitted it and changed the post. I think with regard to your aforementioned comment about me, you should consider doing the same.
John"

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Maruchan wrote:

In case anybody is wondering why we're talking about Rick Forcier and CDs, earlier today Green posted a blog entry titled "Why I Think Rick Forcier Lied + A Personal Message to Mr. Forcier" which theorized that Forcier made up the story about seeing a person believed to be MM because it would help him sell CDs. Green called Forcier a liar several times and asked Forcier to contact him to explain, otherwise Green would include his accusations and theories in the article he is writing (which Green was certain would be published locally and nationally and would be highly respected or some other bull - he highly praised himself anyway).
Several members of his blog criticized his post and Green quickly revised it, so you can't see the original post. I didn't move quickly enough to get screenshots and so far there isn't a cached copy available on Google, so I don't have exact quotes, but I can say that Green's God-complex was once again highly on display.

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Det Columbo wrote:

The Saturn did NOT hit the trees on rte 112 on Feb. 9th 2004.

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Maruchan wrote:

In case anybody is wondering why we're talking about Rick Forcier and CDs, earlier today Green posted a blog entry titled "Why I Think Rick Forcier Lied + A Personal Message to Mr. Forcier" which theorized that Forcier made up the story about seeing a person believed to be MM because it would help him sell CDs. Green called Forcier a liar several times and asked Forcier to contact him to explain, otherwise Green would include his accusations and theories in the article he is writing (which Green was certain would be published locally and nationally and would be highly respected or some other bull - he highly praised himself anyway).
Several members of his blog criticized his post and Green quickly revised it, so you can't see the original post. I didn't move quickly enough to get screenshots and so far there isn't a cached copy available on Google, so I don't have exact quotes, but I can say that Green's God-complex was once again highly on display.

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moo_goo_gai_pan wrote:

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Mr. F. knew there had been no significant searches to the east and believed if law enforcement found remains along 112 he’d be entitled to the reward. Nothing to do with a CD.

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Maruchan wrote:

Here we go again. Somebody criticizes Green, and he starts trying to control them by essentially insisting they apologize and remove any of their own personal opinions that he finds critical of him.
I predict it won't be long before "ashman99" is relegated to the troll category.

"John Green says:
July 11, 2013 at 2:10 pm
You are correct. Thank you for pointing it out.
I think, however, that your assessment that I want this article to give me 'fame and notoriety' and suggestion that I am on the same footing as I overalleged about Rick merits equally revision as my post did, which as you can see, I revised. I would appreciate it if you would back up over that part, as it is a false characterization of my motives, which I believe much else in my actions suggest.
I would say it another way too: you rightly called me out for making too harsh a personal attack when that is specifically what this forum is not about. I have taken my lumps, admitted it and changed the post. I think with regard to your aforementioned comment about me, you should consider doing the same.
John"

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BillNH wrote:

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Moderating posts controls the conversation, not to protect order, but to protect the favorites. Disappointing.

BillNH wrote:

But thy did allow a jab at Topix (I didn't take the bait but I really had to bite my tongue):
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~~experiment over~~

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Maruchan wrote:

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That is why I think it is so amusing that he continually insists that it is a "community" with everybody on equal footing. He also continually asks people to point out things they disagree with and think should be changed, yet when you do, he takes offense. Same ol' same ol'.
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Yes, I saw those posts, and there are more. Of course he didn't disagree, he decided to let authors decide. Green loves taking jabs at Topix, I don't see that ever changing.
I'm assuming "experiment over" means you are no longer following the blog? I see it dropped from 28 followers to 27 after you posted here.

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John88Green wrote:

For anyone interested, this links takes you to the "about" page for the Maura Murray Community, providing information on commenting (which anyone can do) and becoming an member-author, which is easy once you have posted a few comments.
http://themmcommunity.wordpress.com/about/
Please come participate in the conversation or email me at john88green@yahoo.com for more information.
By the way, even folks who have said extreme or angry things here are welcome to comment. Anyone with substantive comments wont be vetted based on their content. But personal comments or mean spiritedness toward other posters (i.e., anything other than courteous and open-minded discussion marked by professional respect for others) will not be approved. But past actions have no bearing and all are welcome.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I'm still scratching my head over his ridiculous story about how an unidentified woman who was killed years ago came from Florida and stayed in this area. The police don't seem to know who she is yet JG knows where she came from and where she stayed. There's only one way for him to know this unless it's an outright lie.
Hey John could you explain how you would know this information?

Totheagendaclan wrote:

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A girl missing from Florida could be the lady in the dunes.I know nothing about her connection to N.H.,but I have never researched it.Here is a discussion of the possible florida connection:
www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/&#8203;...

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Your link doesn't open. Who's the agenda clan?