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Just me
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RozShoem wrote: <quoted text>
Coyote becomes easily enraged, evidentally. Coyote, the scoundrel that he is, philosophically speaking should not be allowed on any campus. Unfortunately, he has had contact with more than one campus. The colleges, universities are not to blame. They have no knowledge of coyote. Most are infatuated by his "charm" and people-pleasing ways. "philosophically speaking".....what does that mean, and why connect it to one or more campus. Unless I'm really missing something it's misleading. How do you know this person goes on campus, to universities, and colleges? They don't know him, but yet they see his charm. Does he use a fake ID too, maybe an orange pass..... I just don't see the point in putting something like this out here. Maybe you really want to explain it, but maybe you just can't. It's making me dizzy.
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Snowy
Gloucester, MA
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uhhhh, Just me, take a look at the previous rantings. none are sequenced in logical, intelligent thought based on factual information.
you're just banging your head against the wall when you try to make sense of it.
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
Where did this load of crap come from? Tell me all the people that stated this damage came from a trailer hitch.
Bill Your wish is my command: Ozzie's Body Shop, Greenfield, over 20 years experience. The Body Shop, Greenfield, over 20 years experience. Retired neighbor, over 30 years experience as autobody repairman. Greg's Autobody, Deerfield, over 10 years experience. I don't have the names of the other 2 or 3 people I asked, but the total was about a half-dozen. I basically went around the local area with the photo of the front end of the Saturn and simply asked them what they think happened. None hesitated to answer. Some gave detailed explanations. They all said pretty much the same thing - that the large dent in the Saturn's hood was caused by some kind of overhanging hard substance, probably a trailer hitch, receiver, ICC bar, etc. Which doesn't mean that they were right, but it does mean that experts in their field all said the same thing without having been asked anything like a leading question. It simply represented an attempt to get something answered by going to some people whom I, in my ever-loving ignorance, thought might be able to provide some kind of help. I simply reported what they said, but it's been a stone in your shoe for quite a while now. Your overly selective editing of my reply to your (regularly recurring) trailer hitch bait conveniently leaves out the part that most agrees with your own theory: that the damage could not have been done by a trailer hitch. IOW, there is ample indication, from my own experience, that it is possible that damage may be sustained by a Saturn's bumper without showing, because at slow-speed impact, the bumper simply bounces back. These are or were rated as 5mph or 10mph bumpers. I don't know whether this description is still used or not. A single impact may have shown on the hood, but not on the bumper (at least not in the photo). You also stated that people were sent out to measure trailer hitch heights. If anyone "sent" them, it wasn't me. I think I did suggest that if anyone disagreed with the height, it was easy enough to find out. Hitches sit a wide variety of heights above a level road surface. Some are high, some are low. You've raised this trailer hitch bait before, perhaps looking for the person who knew about the Corolla. Too bad. You're not going to find him with my help. Maybe you were the person who trashed my backyard a few hours after I posted the info about the autobody man saying that the police had been looking so closely at the Corolla shortly after it was crashed. I don't know what your motives are for periodically complaining so harshly about the trailer hitch issue, but your intentional disrespect for my having done something constructive speaks for itself. You can't stop harping on it. A poster's consideration of trailer hitch height is a legitimate thing to do. It may lead nowhere or might, just might, lead somewhere. You don't know until you get off your rear end and ask someone. Which is a lot more than most online posters have done. Bill, you protest too much.
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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RC: If you want the information Bill might be looking for, just ask for it. I think we're more or less on the same side. Aren't we?
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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For obvious reasons, I generally don't pay any attention to Roz (or anyone else with a "place" on Main St. Northampton), but in the case of the coyote, well, what's a coyote in the smuggler's world?
And for those unaware of it, there are or recently were a fair number of Mexican immigrants emerging, often in early AM hours, from behind the USDA office in Hadley. Mostly to do local agricultural work. Not unusual around here. The MA Registry of Motor Vehicles was, in 2004, located in the same building as the USDA office. It's one of the places you could pick up a report form, if one was necessary for this.
There is also a USDA office in Woodsville.
I have no idea what the connection might be, if any, but it did remind me of the Washington DC murder of the woman found in Rock Creek Park. Forgot her name, but the police did finally find the alien whom they believe killed her.
And, no, Bill, no one is sending people to the corner of East St and Russell St in Hadley to count the aliens.
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Beagle wrote: <quoted text>
Your wish is my command:
Ozzie's Body Shop, Greenfield, over 20 years experience.
The Body Shop, Greenfield, over 20 years experience.
Retired neighbor, over 30 years experience as autobody repairman.
Greg's Autobody, Deerfield, over 10 years experience.
I don't have the names of the other 2 or 3 people I asked, but the total was about a half-dozen. I basically went around the local area with the photo of the front end of the Saturn and simply asked them what they think happened. None hesitated to answer. Some gave detailed explanations. They all said pretty much the same thing - that the large dent in the Saturn's hood was caused by some kind of overhanging hard substance, probably a trailer hitch, receiver, ICC bar, etc. Which doesn't mean that they were right, but it does mean that experts in their field all said the same thing without having been asked anything like a leading question. It simply represented an attempt to get something answered by going to some people whom I, in my ever-loving ignorance, thought might be able to provide some kind of help. I simply reported what they said, but it's been a stone in your shoe for quite a while now.
Your overly selective editing of my reply to your (regularly recurring) trailer hitch bait conveniently leaves out the part that most agrees with your own theory: that the damage could not have been done by a trailer hitch. IOW, there is ample indication, from my own experience, that it is possible that damage may be sustained by a Saturn's bumper without showing, because at slow-speed impact, the bumper simply bounces back. These are or were rated as 5mph or 10mph bumpers. I don't know whether this description is still used or not. A single impact may have shown on the hood, but not on the bumper (at least not in the photo).
You also stated that people were sent out to measure trailer hitch heights. If anyone "sent" them, it wasn't me. I think I did suggest that if anyone disagreed with the height, it was easy enough to find out. Hitches sit a wide variety of heights above a level road surface. Some are high, some are low.
You've raised this trailer hitch bait before, perhaps looking for the person who knew about the Corolla. Too bad. You're not going to find him with my help. Maybe you were the person who trashed my backyard a few hours after I posted the info about the autobody man saying that the police had been looking so closely at the Corolla shortly after it was crashed.
I don't know what your motives are for periodically complaining so harshly about the trailer hitch issue, but your intentional disrespect for my having done something constructive speaks for itself. You can't stop harping on it.
A poster's consideration of trailer hitch height is a legitimate thing to do. It may lead nowhere or might, just might, lead somewhere. You don't know until you get off your rear end and ask someone. Which is a lot more than most online posters have done.
Bill, you protest too much. Your paranoia is getting the better of you Beagle. The only person that I know of that has stated that the damage was caused by a trailer hitch (it wasn't) is a certain detective and his "expert". I know what I am looking at in those photos and that damage was not caused by a trailer hitch. It wasn't even caused by something over hanging as clearly the plastic bumper has also been damaged. Bill
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What I find more interesting is the blog http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/07/exclu... is saying that Fred didn't have an interview with detectives until 2.5 years after Maura disappeared and then with two lawyers present. He also claims that Fred, family and close friends are circling the wagons again, none of them will speak with him about any facet of the case. Not surprising. Bill
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
Your paranoia is getting the better of you Beagle. The only person that I know of that has stated that the damage was caused by a trailer hitch (it wasn't) is a certain detective and his "expert". I know what I am looking at in those photos and that damage was not caused by a trailer hitch. It wasn't even caused by something over hanging as clearly the plastic bumper has also been damaged.
Bill Paranoia is not the problem. And bashing - in this case, trying to discredit me by saying that paranoia is getting the better of me - is not productive. I stated the so-called "trailer hitch" possibility in 2008. You have tried to revive it periodically. Anyone who has followed these various threads knows you have been dumping on the trailer hitch theory every now and then. Not sure why, but it's what you've been doing. You clearly want to revive some kind of disagreement about it. Simply ditch the hitch. Again, most people, including a half-dozen autobody repair persons, did, in fact, state that from looking at the photo, in their expert opinion, the damage to the hood was caused by some kind of overhanging hard object. LIKE - FOR EXAMPLE - AS NOT INFREQUENTLY HAPPENS - a trailer hitch, an ICC bar, etc. But at any rate, it was their unanimous OPINION that whatever caused the damage to the hood was not an object resting on or rooted to the ground. Like a tree, for example. It was just their opinion. I am unaware of anyone else, including any so-called detectives, having mentioned a trailer hitch theory on these threads. I don't have the exact date in front of me, but it was in the summer of 2008 when I first mentioned the trailer hitch theory. To re-emphasize... It is, as I think we both agree, a fact that little to no damage can be sustained by a Saturn's bumper while the same impact may leave a good sized dent on the hood. I don't know how the dent happened, but I would not be surprised if it happened near UMass parking lot #34. Police were looking for a car that had hit Vasi. It doesn't matter whether or not there was a connection between the Vasi head injury and the dent in the Saturn. If the Saturn was visible to police, they would have seen it and looked at it. It is therefore likely that the Saturn either did not have the dent in it over the weekend of 2/7-8, or that it was parked out of sight and not driven much if at all until it was found in Haverhill NH. What makes you so interested in the dent in the hood, anyway? How do you think it got there? The trees? Something else? Maybe you could settle this simply by saying what bothers you so much about the hitch theory.(Please note: the "hitch theory" is a general term that includes any elevated hard substance, not just, literally, a trailer hitch.)
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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WTH-the-original wrote: <quoted text>
I know what I am looking at in those photos and that damage was not caused by a trailer hitch. It wasn't even caused by something over hanging as clearly the plastic bumper has also been damaged.
Bill Well, maybe you're more of an expert that six autobody repairmen put together. Maybe you've got some kind of better insight. Anything's possible. Is there some reason you cannot share it? All you seem to do is rant about the people who mentioned a trailer hitch, as if they were the devil himself. I - and if I'm not incorrect, I alone - mentioned a trailer hitch (in general)theory. If you are referring to Detective Columbo, there is, incidentally, a real MA licensed PI named Columbo in the Freeport MA area.
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Eurobserver
Norrköping, Sweden
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Just me wrote: <quoted text>
"philosophically speaking".....what does that mean, and why connect it to one or more campus. Unless I'm really missing something it's misleading. How do you know this person goes on campus, to universities, and colleges? They don't know him, but yet they see his charm. Does he use a fake ID too, maybe an orange pass.....
I just don't see the point in putting something like this out here. Maybe you really want to explain it, but maybe you just can't. It's making me dizzy. I believe that Roz in a very convoluted way is implicating a certain person who has on several occasions been discussed and named on this forum. All the clues are there to follow if you google this person´s name on the web, but Roz understandably seems unwilling to outright name her "suspect" on this forum. Rightly so, in my mind, since too many people have already been accused and dragged through the mud on this forum over the years. It is, however, not terribly difficult to realise who Roz has set her mind on as the supposed culprit. It is, in my mind, as likely or unlikely a theory as a great number of others discussed on Topix over the years. Without any kind of known evidence Maura´s case is open to a myriad of various, possible explanations and theories, as we all know too well.
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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Regarding my "paranoia," with or without quotation marks... Fact: my phone call in 2008 to the Fretted Instrument Workshop, Amherst MA, was eavesdropped upon. There is no other explanation for Quija to have mentioned "spalted wood." Fact: I have been followed by a retired MA State Police PI. I never saw him, but was informed of his activity reliably by two MA police officers, independent of each other, 200 miles apart. These two police officers even knew exactly where I had been in Falmouth MA on a specific date and at a specific time. Only someone following me could have known this. I was informed that my brother's best friend, Thomas R. Holmes, who travels with bodyguards, hired the PI. Mr. Holmes is known for his ownership of Key Air and Keystone Aviation of Oxford CT, which company was cited in 2004 for having, in everyday terms, bribed former Gov. John G. Rowland out of office and into federal prison. Fact: It has been strongly suggested that I produced child porn. Not viewed it, PRODUCED it. Only two people have stated such a thing: the poster "elsewhere briefly" (EWB) and Sgt. Dan McCarthy of the Greenfield PD. It was first stated by McCarthy, then later by EWB. Nothing was ever said on these Topix threads which might have led EWB to post such a comment, which was posted not long after Sgt McCarthy's suggestion. I regard both suggestions, which are totally false, as some form of intimidation. Fact: Greenfield Police Officer Logan alerted me that my house, and especially my basement, were the subject of surveillance. In fact, at an earlier time, I had already observed two Greenfield detectives (one male, one female) parked up the street in a white Chevy Lumina. They subsequently drove by my house. I stared at them as they passed the front yard in which I was working. Fact: I have been recently asked - by a MA PI who has a great deal of inside knowledge about Maura's disappearance - whether or not I killed her. Fact: Someone calling himself Det. Columbo has emailed me three times, dangling some kind of bait in front of me. Fact: I have been told by someone closely associated with the private Molly Bish investigation that she will go through the garbage I leave out in her search for clues. On and on it goes. Clearly, there is some interest - official and/or private - in me as a suspect in the disappearance of Maura Murray and possibly Molly Bish. If I'm not paranoid by now, maybe I should give it a try. It would at least offer the comfort of being delusional.
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Beagle
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Is Roz, in her own way, saying that the "dirtbag" provides undocumented workers to area farms?
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Looking4AMoose
Woonsocket, RI
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WTH-the-original wrote: What I find more interesting is the blog http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/2011/07/exclu... is saying that Fred didn't have an interview with detectives until 2.5 years after Maura disappeared and then with two lawyers present. He also claims that Fred, family and close friends are circling the wagons again, none of them will speak with him about any facet of the case. Not surprising. Bill Lawyered up huh?
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hannah_b
Sweden
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Looking4AMoose wrote: <quoted text>
Lawyered up huh? So no poly or work records?
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Just me
Clear Lake, MN
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Why would Fred need a lawyer? Did he not beg and beg for police, anybody...to speak with him.
I would think he'd be happy to meet up with PI's and see if there was anything new. He could have handled himself I would think. Maybe there is more going on than we can imagine.
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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Beagle wrote: Regarding my "paranoia," with or without quotation marks...
Fact: my phone call in 2008 to the Fretted Instrument Workshop, Amherst MA, was eavesdropped upon. There is no other explanation for Quija to have mentioned "spalted wood."
Fact: I have been followed by a retired MA State Police PI. I never saw him, but was informed of his activity reliably by two MA police officers, independent of each other, 200 miles apart. These two police officers even knew exactly where I had been in Falmouth MA on a specific date and at a specific time. Only someone following me could have known this. I was informed that my brother's best friend, Thomas R. Holmes, who travels with bodyguards, hired the PI. Mr. Holmes is known for his ownership of Key Air and Keystone Aviation of Oxford CT, which company was cited in 2004 for having, in everyday terms, bribed former Gov. John G. Rowland out of office and into federal prison.
Fact: It has been strongly suggested that I produced child porn. Not viewed it, PRODUCED it. Only two people have stated such a thing: the poster "elsewhere briefly" (EWB) and Sgt. Dan McCarthy of the Greenfield PD. It was first stated by McCarthy, then later by EWB. Nothing was ever said on these Topix threads which might have led EWB to post such a comment, which was posted not long after Sgt McCarthy's suggestion. I regard both suggestions, which are totally false, as some form of intimidation.
Fact: Greenfield Police Officer Logan alerted me that my house, and especially my basement, were the subject of surveillance. In fact, at an earlier time, I had already observed two Greenfield detectives (one male, one female) parked up the street in a white Chevy Lumina. They subsequently drove by my house. I stared at them as they passed the front yard in which I was working.
Fact: I have been recently asked - by a MA PI who has a great deal of inside knowledge about Maura's disappearance - whether or not I killed her.
Fact: Someone calling himself Det. Columbo has emailed me three times, dangling some kind of bait in front of me.
Fact: I have been told by someone closely associated with the private Molly Bish investigation that she will go through the garbage I leave out in her search for clues.
On and on it goes. Clearly, there is some interest - official and/or private - in me as a suspect in the disappearance of Maura Murray and possibly Molly Bish. If I'm not paranoid by now, maybe I should give it a try. It would at least offer the comfort of being delusional. Forgot the time about the little case of vandalism in my backyard right after I posted about the police interest in the Corolla. Best wishes to Chief Byron Charles. No matter what you say about Maura's father, the fact is that I am the focus of some very unwanted interest. But what's a little more paranoia?
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Beagle
Greenfield, MA
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Just me wrote: Why would Fred need a lawyer? Did he not beg and beg for police, anybody...to speak with him.
I would think he'd be happy to meet up with PI's and see if there was anything new. He could have handled himself I would think. Maybe there is more going on than we can imagine. I found out the hard way - never talk to cops without retaining counsel first. In fact, it's generally a bad idea for even the most innocent person to get into a conversation with a police officer. You never know what their real agenda is. Having a lawyer with you is simply being smart, no matter what. How can anyone, especially in this case, anticipate what the questioning will lead to? You may think you are just helping out when the police officer is just trying to - with a great big smile - trying to trap you into saying something you could later regret very much. Police will lie and very often twist the truth just to raise their stats. A conversation with a police officer may start off very routine and simple, but they are trained to lead you along. The constitutional right to counsel is there for a very good reason - usually, it's to protect the innocent from bad cops. And there are way too many bad cops, that's something I know for sure. I've seen them steal. I've seen them lie under oath in court. I've seen them convict totally innocent people. Not as rare as those who live sheltered lives would like to believe. Chief Byron Charles wants to talk with me, too. And this is fairly recent. But conveniently, he does not want to exchange email. He wants a "conversation." Not now. Not ever.
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Just me
Clear Lake, MN
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Thanks Beagle, I didn't look at it like that. It just seemed odd to think that Fred would be meeting with PI's for anything other than updates about the case.
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Looking4AMoose
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So no poly or work records? why 2 1/2 years before agreeing to meet?
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I guess I'd feel the need for two lawyers if I had held the investigation at bay for 2 1/2 years.
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