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Beagle wrote:

If, as has already been established as fact, the eggs don't come to the Embryonic Stem Cell Research (ESCR) lab, then someone's going to go looking for the eggs. Simple result of the law of supply and demand. Mainstream experts on the subject agree on the severe lack of eggs.
Just for the record, while I don't know what happened to Maura, the theory that she left her vehicle to avoid an OUI charge is an entirely reasonable one, perhaps the most likely one. She may then, intentionally or accidentally, have perished in the woods. Or someone may have given her a ride to a motel, or a hundred other possibilities. But simply because you try out other theories doesn't mean you reject the most likely or the most conventional one. Holding fast to ONLY the most likely or conventional theories just leaves her in the woods and lets a potentially unsolved crime go unaddressed. I'm for including other reasonable possibilities, but it shouldn't be limited to just one or two of the most likely. It's been too long and the NH state police are not going to give Maura's disappearance much attention unless they can be persuaded to look at it in a new light.
ABSENT any conventional solution - it's been over seven years now - then a 21st century possibility must be included. Egg harvesting is real. It's not a precise science or medical practice. There is little to no regulation. Sometimes donors die or experience serious, life-long health deficits as a result.
There are lots of reasons that Maura may have disappeared, but if police don't already have a very convincing case, then they need to spread their net wider and stop discounting certain people - who had the means, motive, and opportunity - just because they have Ph.D. or M.D. after their names and wear white lab coats, or are venture capitalists. It's an insult to justice to look only at the psycho, the homeless, the retarded, the poor, the hillbilly, etc. In short, focusing solely on what eugenicists call the "unfit" is reactionary and archaic.
Molly Bish, Maura Murray, and Lindsay Ferguson all had their athletic profiles online, available through regional sports sites. All were very attractive and smart. They fit the profile of high-end egg donors. The age of their eggs gave them a biological advantage not available to women over 25 or 30 years old.
The Ferguson (Saratoga Springs NY) case merits further investigation. To this day, police have had little case and no established motive.

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Snowy wrote:

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oh, well, no one has the ability to change your focus. you've been hammering home your point of view for some time now, and you may or may not be right. the egg theory is waaayyy out there for me; implausible.

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Snowy wrote:

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oh, well, no one has the ability to change your focus. you've been hammering home your point of view for some time now, and you may or may not be right. the egg theory is waaayyy out there for me; implausible.
it's been too late, by a number of years, to ask you to consider stepping back and allow her family and authorities, the principles, to solve her disappearance.

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Snowy wrote:

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oh, well, no one has the ability to change your focus. you've been hammering home your point of view for some time now, and you may or may not be right. the egg theory is waaayyy out there for me; implausible.
it's been too late, by a number of years, to ask you to consider stepping back and allow her family and authorities, the principles, to solve her disappearance. the public has been involved, at various levels, over many years, to no avail.
more dispassionate observers find it hard to understand why strangers have become so intimately involved in certain theories and outcomes. there have been both...strangers and theories over many years.

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Snowy wrote:

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oh, well, no one has the ability to change your focus.

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Beagle wrote:

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You make it sound like there has been a worthy effort to change my focus. There has been no such effort. There has been a lot of assertion, a lot of name-calling, a lot of bullying, a lot bunk, a lot of "you're too far out there," thee's been plenty of THAT effort, but there has never been a rationally presented, thoroughly researched rebuttal.
Who else has read several books on the subject? Read expert testimony before the U.S. Congress? Read countless news reports on the subject of egg harvesting? Read an ethics report by a departement at UMass/Amherst? Reseaerched endless U.S. Securities and Exchange documents? Communicated with leaders of the ESCR industry?
You can assert all you want, but until you show that you KNOW something, your assertions are groundless and you should find their continuing appearance utterly embarrassing.

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Orko Kringer wrote:

Information is now coming out that Maura had printed out an old email from her boyfriend talking about him cheating on her and that Maura printed it out either the night before or the day of that she disappeared.
Apparently, she printed out a select portion of the email and layed it on her bed right along side or on top of her packed boxes in her dorm room, before she took off on her mystery trip to the mountains like she wanted the note to be discovered by others.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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This is new information but it does add more credibility to the suicide theory. It can also lend credence to the run away theory. This is IF Renner's sources are correct.
Bill

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Answer, Part 2.
There are two issues here: one, whether I'm making this up, and, two, if it's all true, what it means. There is no way I can convince people I don't know and who claim the clairvoyant power to see vast distances into police file cabinets and who claim to have watched a bench outside the Hadley Target on a specific date and time and seen no one sit and talk, etc. etc., that what I've said is totally true and accurate, and that it's not delusional or even embellished.
If you get your kicks out of attacking the simple truth, then there's nothing I can do about your absurd predilection. It reminds me of my great-grandfather, a Cape Cod sea-captain (of course, you think, I'm making this up, too) who used a telescope to watch the construction of trans-Atlantic communications towers. He said, just as self-assuredly and self-righteously, that people would not be able to use a huge contraption like that to speak to people in Europe. After all, he had sailed across the open ocean and knew that the only way to talk to someone in Europe was to travel there first. There's nothing I can say to people like you. Either you think maybe it's true or you love shooting down helpful information and discrediting the poster rather than talking about something in a constructive way. Your choice.
The other part is - if what I say is true and acccurate - what all this means. Forget that it has me upset enough to seek out a thread like this, the only one I know about, it's just as puzzling to me as it would be to anyone else. It seems to make little sense. The main thing I'm trying to get across is that there is someone - doesn't matter whether it's me or John Doe - in western MA who has been getting some pretty hard-to-explain and very unwanted attention. This attention might help shine a light on what happened to Maura. And maybe not, but it's not totally weird that the person experiencing this would seek out a forum and speak out about it. It's not an easy thing to do.
It's like going from the old ducks to the new ducks.
I don't want to get into an argument about whether or not I'm telling the truth. I know what I know. Almost all of it can be documented and corroborated. I'm just trying to help, to say that the emphasis is not exclusively on NH. That's all. Maybe the person who is causing all this trouble for me had something to do with Maura's disappearance. Maybe not, but it seems worth putting out there. I happen to think in this case the more daylight, the better. Going through a complaint process is endless, expensive, and usually results in nothing. How could I ever find and - do what, sue?- EWB? Nothing would get accomplished.

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Beagle wrote:

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... or a hundred other possibilities.

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<quoted text> I'm not trying to convert the few posters that post on this thread. I'm trying to show another possibility to the many more lurkers who lurk here for a little while then move on, never posting. The audience always changes, but the message remains the same so that more people will hear it. You make it sound like the few posters here are the only ones who will hear it. Lurkers are here for a few days or weeks and move on. They are the reason for hammering a point home. You yourself hammer your own point home. Hammering home a point is not wrong. If I, or anyone else, stated a complex theory to a half-dozen posters one time in all these seven years, then it would have been completely forgotten by all. There are other advocates for other theories, many of whom have also maintained their positions. Nothing wrong with that.

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Beagle wrote:

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You are saying that I might be right, but that I should step back and allow her family and the authorities (presumably the police) "solve her disappearance." In other words, even though there's a chance I might be right, posting various theories on this Topix thread (which is not the center of the universe, by the way) somehow interferes with solving the disappearance of Maura Murray.
I - little, old me?- am standing in the way of the NH state police cold case unit's investigation?
How does posting on this Topix thread a potentially correct point of view, backed up by tons of research, jeopardize an official investigation. Should we all keep our mouths shut in this world so that we don't somehow interfere with law enforcement? How is my advocating a more inclusive approach so threatening to the official investigation of Maura's disappearance?
Not to mention that various points of view are continually solicited by the police. And not to mention the forum hosted by the Murray family.
You're just an old duck in new duck's clothing.

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You make it sound like there has been a worthy effort to change my focus. There has been no such effort. There has been a lot of assertion, a lot of name-calling, a lot of bullying, a lot bunk, a lot of "you're too far out there," thee's been plenty of THAT effort, but there has never been a rationally presented, thoroughly researched rebuttal.
Who else has read several books on the subject? Read expert testimony before the U.S. Congress? Read countless news reports on the subject of egg harvesting? Read an ethics report by a departement at UMass/Amherst? Reseaerched endless U.S. Securities and Exchange documents? Communicated with leaders of the ESCR industry?
You can assert all you want, but until you show that you KNOW something, your assertions are groundless and you should find their continuing appearance utterly embarrassing.

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Orko Kringer wrote:

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I am going to assume that Renner's sources are members of the law enforcement community.
Either way, we still need more info before we will know anything concrete.
I find it odd, that this info is just coming out now. I mean Police had probablly gotten a hold of whatever note maura had left in her dorm room way back in 2004. Wonder why they have kept the contents of the note so quiet for so long.(If they had dis-credited the note for holding any value, then they should've had no problem releasing it to the media long ago).

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hannah_b wrote:

Cheating boyfriend + "my sister, my sister" = Maura leaving? Did she find out her boyfriend had been cheating on her with her sister? Just speculation, but could be a reason for not wanting any prying into Maura´s life pre Haverhill.

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wondering wrote:

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yep, and thats exactly what i was thinking if the note thing is true. i do wonder, if it was her sister who blly cheated with. so that might be why she didnt want to talk to billy and why the phone call from her sister upset her. it would all make sense. it would also explain why fred doesnt release private life info from maura. if thats the case it really would make sense.