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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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James follow me here.
-She gets word late in the week she can't stay at the dorms anymore
-Her sister calls her and she flips out because dad has to spend $$ an apartment
-Her father comes to town to help look for an apartment
-Not being able to sleep in dorms she "returns" the car to sleep at hotel
-Since she can't find a place that weekend - she needs to wait for her father to come back and find another aptartment or the apartment isn't available until the following weekend. Rather than deal with the stress of telling people why she has to leave the dorm. She decides to leave for a short week until father returns to continue apartment search or move. Once she find the place she can move into apt and tell friends she wanted to live off campus.
- She looks into places she is familiar with because she needs a place short notice just for a week.
- You tube Disappear episode from FM - "she was going to Bartlett she could get a room there..." About 11 minutes into episode.
- On her way she was drinking and driving and she crashed.
- Panicked she ran
I see nothing to show me she was looking to run away - atleast not until the car crash. There is also a chance she found a place to live, but couldn't move in until later on in the week. Just my opinion.
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Do you believe that a college would kick a student out of a dorm with no notice?
If Maura can't sleep in the dorm, how is she able to leave her computer in it and surf the web on Sunday and Monday?
Why would Fred create a story about a car instead of simply telling police that Maura had been kicked out of the dorm?

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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James follow me here.
-She gets word late in the week she can't stay at the dorms anymore
-Her sister calls her and she flips out because dad has to spend $$ an apartment
-Her father comes to town to help look for an apartment
-Not being able to sleep in dorms she "returns" the car to sleep at hotel
-Since she can't find a place that weekend - she needs to wait for her father to come back and find another aptartment or the apartment isn't available until the following weekend. Rather than deal with the stress of telling people why she has to leave the dorm. She decides to leave for a short week until father returns to continue apartment search or move. Once she find the place she can move into apt and tell friends she wanted to live off campus.
- She looks into places she is familiar with because she needs a place short notice just for a week.
- You tube Disappear episode from FM - "she was going to Bartlett she could get a room there..." About 11 minutes into episode.
- On her way she was drinking and driving and she crashed.
- Panicked she ran
I see nothing to show me she was looking to run away - atleast not until the car crash. There is also a chance she found a place to live, but couldn't move in until later on in the week. Just my opinion.
Lighthouse, the public has not been privy to detail; factual info about her private life in MA and on campus that reveals her motive for leaving behind her family social relationships, and academics. running, because she lied about her plan to pack and leave campus, and apparently did not share this plan or destination with anyone...or at least no one has come forward, otherwise.
she ran. she ran away.

you begin:
"-She gets word late in the week she can't stay at the dorms anymore"

your premise, and what follows, is not proven as fact.

there really is no room for speculation and fiction, just facts. there have been no earth shattering clues to "break" this "case" wide open, as so many have attempted and promised...but come up empty-handed. the whole subject needs a dose of reality, generously sprinkled.


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James Renner wrote:
The Seasons Resort is what I meant. There are no singles in the entire complex.
Yes there are.

"The Seasons Condominium Resort consists of 176 one and two bedroom condominium units in a peaceful 45 acre wooded setting just south of Route 302 in Bartlett, New Hampshire."

"All of our units will sleep 2-10 guests and have a fully equipped kitchen, dining area and living room. There is one bedroom plus a large loft area with additional bedding, making it perfect for families with children."

When I have been single in my life, I have rented entire cabins/condos/houses with several bedrooms for just myself. When you are single, that's what you do. When that's all that's available, or when it's the most affordable, that's what you do. In Maura's case, she checked out a place she was familiar with, and if a two-bedroom was the only one advertised, or the cheapest one advertised, or simply the floor plan/location she was familiar with and liked, then it makes sense for her to have looked into it. Making a telephone call to check availability of a two-bedroom condo does not make it any type of fact that she was traveling with anybody other than herself.
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while there is no evidence she's been kicked out of dorms, maybe she just wanted to leave the dorms? Maybe someone was bothering her? Maybe someone the family knows about but there is no proof. Maybe something they've mentioned to police but not the public? Purely speculation but heck it explains the packed boxes, sleeping at fred's hotel room, and leaving for the week.

Or as Renner said, maybe the university did have it's own internal affairs handling something.
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Maruchan wrote:
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Yes there are.
"The Seasons Condominium Resort consists of 176 one and two bedroom condominium units in a peaceful 45 acre wooded setting just south of Route 302 in Bartlett, New Hampshire."
"All of our units will sleep 2-10 guests and have a fully equipped kitchen, dining area and living room. There is one bedroom plus a large loft area with additional bedding, making it perfect for families with children."
When I have been single in my life, I have rented entire cabins/condos/houses with several bedrooms for just myself. When you are single, that's what you do. When that's all that's available, or when it's the most affordable, that's what you do. In Maura's case, she checked out a place she was familiar with, and if a two-bedroom was the only one advertised, or the cheapest one advertised, or simply the floor plan/location she was familiar with and liked, then it makes sense for her to have looked into it. Making a telephone call to check availability of a two-bedroom condo does not make it any type of fact that she was traveling with anybody other than herself.
nice try. but no. there are no singles there. and it is quite expensive. not buying it. she would have just rented a motel room somewhere.
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Can anybody explain to me why a person running away to Canada would do a Mapquest search for directions to the Berkshires? For those unfamiliar with the area, the Berkshires are located SOUTH and WEST from Amherst.

The Mapquest search for the Berkshires is noted in many articles from that time period. Here is one quote from The Boston Globe, referencing the UMASS police timeline:

"Just after midnight on Monday morning, Feb. 9, she conducted a MapQuest search of the Berkshires and Burlington, Vt., on her personal computer."

This fact seems to be conveniently omitted from all these run away to Canada theories.
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So explain this to me. In your theory, she is running away to Canada, trying to "buy time" according to you:
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She did it on a Monday to give herself a decent head start on police, the college, and her father.
So, in her hurry to get the all important "head start," she drives up 91, which takes her directly to Canada, turns east instead and passes 93, which takes her (and her presumed tandem driver) back west to 91 which goes directly to Canada, and drives 35 miles further east to stay at an expensive resort rather than at any of the many hotels and condos available in Lincoln or other towns along those highways. Of course, those hotels are cheaper and chances are really high that you can find a room without need of a reservation on a Monday night in winter.

Why would she, in her haste to get away, do such a thing?
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why would I person searching for the Berkshires get off the highway and drive in the opposite direction for miles? Did she turn off the highway and drive the wrong way, figure it out, turn around, drive back, and then hit a snow bank? would explain better why she was facing the wrong way right?

She would have had to be too drunk to make it that far to drive that far in the wrong direction. Maybe it was purposeful misdirection.

I am sort of on purpose throwing out what seem like crazy ideas but crazier ideas have been pitched right?
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I just don't think that it can be determined, via hotel choice, whether she was traveling alone or with someone. Even the crappiest of hotel room would be good for 2. And as a woman, I personally would rather stay somewhere nice if I was alone, for my own safety.

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Lisac wrote:
why would I person searching for the Berkshires get off the highway and drive in the opposite direction for miles? Did she turn off the highway and drive the wrong way, figure it out, turn around, drive back, and then hit a snow bank? would explain better why she was facing the wrong way right?
She would have had to be too drunk to make it that far to drive that far in the wrong direction. Maybe it was purposeful misdirection.
I am sort of on purpose throwing out what seem like crazy ideas but crazier ideas have been pitched right?
Maruchan's point, I think, was that her search for directions to the Berkshires suggests that she did not intend Canada to be her final destination.

I do not believe that anyone has suggested that she had attempted to drive to the Berkshires. She had directions to one place: Burlington. She probably had intended to go there when she left Amherst. Some mysterious event changed that plan.
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This is my post from 12/29/12 - still wondering if you can explain it.
Maruchan wrote:
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So - the plan is to go to Canada. Maura drives up 91, and her co-conspirator is driving up 93. On the way to Canada, remember. They are looking for a place to meet. So, they decide that they will each head toward each other on an essentially east-west highway that does NOT go to Canada. Nor does this highway have a road that goes north to Canada. Nor does this highway have any real lodging options along it in February. Remember, this is a dark, mostly uninhabited road, which makes everybody wonder why Maura took it in the first place. So, for some reason, they have decided to leave the highways that actually DO head to Canada, and meet somewhere, apparently around the Weathered Barn as that is where you claim they both ended up at the same time. So, instead of meeting either in Lincoln, Franconia or Woodsville, they have chosen to meet a few miles east of Woodsville where there is essentially nothing. INSTEAD OF meeting in the towns that actually have overnight accomadations that are actually ON THE WAY TO CANADA. You say the accident was unplanned, so the rest of this is obviously planned. I doubt that the Weathered Barn or Bradley Hill Road showed up on Maura's New Hampshire map, so ... where did they plan to meet in between 91 and 93 and close to the Weathered Barn on 112, and how would they know when they got to the place that isn't on any map?
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Not Without Peril wrote:
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Maruchan's point, I think, was that her search for directions to the Berkshires suggests that she did not intend Canada to be her final destination.
Yes, that was my point.
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Canada may not have been her final destination on that trip, but it's not so far fetched if you are up there in 2004 to change your plans and cross the border.

I've followed the case a few years, not as long as others of course, but in the time I've followed it, I've learned that if you stick with one theory too long, someone will prove it wrong. It's just how it is in this case.

You have to wonder if Maura, dead or alive, knew when she left how much debate there would be over this stuff.
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Maruchan wrote:
This is my post from 12/29/12 - still wondering if you can explain it.
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There are 45 minutes still unaccounted for. She had time to meet up, maybe in Woodsville, and then travel in tandem from there, together, west toward their rental. Why not leave that night? Perhaps because her passport was at home in Hanson and this person was bringing it to her.

Do I have all the details? No. But this theory, as well as Lighthouse's thoughts, explain the weird evidence better than anything else, imho.

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Maruchan wrote:
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Questions:
Do you believe that a college would kick a student out of a dorm with no notice?
If Maura can't sleep in the dorm, how is she able to leave her computer in it and surf the web on Sunday and Monday?
Why would Fred create a story about a car instead of simply telling police that Maura had been kicked out of the dorm?
Excellent questions, and ofcourse as mentioned is just a theory.

I don't know how long it would take a college person to remove a student from her dorm room, and maybe she had notice for a while, but delayed in telling people last minute. I doubt the college would have to go through an eviction process to remove a student, but again would a student who lives a secret life want the attention and gossip.

Maybe she didn't want to sleep in the dorm because she packed it all up and put her stuff on the bed and the bed was never made. The PC was still connected because she still doing school work. I don't believe she was being kicked out of school but leaving the dorms. I do believe she was going to return where ever she went which is why she picked up the accident reports.

As for the statement to LE thats the toughest one to answer. My best quess (to suit this theory) FM wanted to keep her name as clean as possible, and put more blame on the car than the driver.

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SnowyB wrote:
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Lighthouse, the public has not been privy to detail; factual info about her private life in MA and on campus that reveals her motive for leaving behind her family social relationships, and academics. running, because she lied about her plan to pack and leave campus, and apparently did not share this plan or destination with anyone...or at least no one has come forward, otherwise.
she ran. she ran away.
you begin:
"-She gets word late in the week she can't stay at the dorms anymore"
your premise, and what follows, is not proven as fact.
there really is no room for speculation and fiction, just facts. there have been no earth shattering clues to "break" this "case" wide open, as so many have attempted and promised...but come up empty-handed. the whole subject needs a dose of reality, generously sprinkled.
You are 100% correct my premise is not proven fact. I was trying to show James a plausable theory of how MM left, but did plan to return if not for the accident.

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Lisac wrote:
Canada may not have been her final destination on that trip, but it's not so far fetched if you are up there in 2004 to change your plans and cross the border.
I do think that her plan changed. Admittedly, I have no idea where she had decided to go. Nothing, to me, suggests Canada.

I have an open mind and reserve judgment on the Canada theory until after I have read James' book. Maybe the book will convince me that Canada was her likely destination; maybe it won't.
Lisac wrote:
I've followed the case a few years, not as long as others of course, but in the time I've followed it, I've learned that if you stick with one theory too long, someone will prove it wrong. It's just how it is in this case.
Many questions remain unanswered. Every theory, I believe, relies in part on speculation. For starters, she may have left the Saturn and traveled west; she may have traveled east.
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You have to wonder if Maura, dead or alive, knew when she left how much debate there would be over this stuff.
If she planned the crash, I believe that the answer is yes. Again, keeping an open mind, this is the most obvious problem with the Canada theory. If I wished to disappear, I would try to slip off the radar. I would not stage the most mysterious disappearance that one could imagine.

The Vasi angle makes even less sense to me (note: James has been critical of this theory, as well). If my car had been an instrumentality of a crime, then I would not develop a plan where the car would be collected and examined by police.
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Universities aren't usually eager to expel Dean's List students. Unless there's some 'major crime' that's somehow been kept a Big Secret all these years, I don't think the credit card crime, that was due to go away in a couple of weeks anyway, as I recall, would have been enough reason for UMass to expel Maura.

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SpruceGoose wrote:
Universities aren't usually eager to expel Dean's List students. Unless there's some 'major crime' that's somehow been kept a Big Secret all these years, I don't think the credit card crime, that was due to go away in a couple of weeks anyway, as I recall, would have been enough reason for UMass to expel Maura.
I never said she was getting expelled - she might have been embaressed to live in the dorm where people looked at her differently.

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SpruceGoose wrote:
Universities aren't usually eager to expel Dean's List students. Unless there's some 'major crime' that's somehow been kept a Big Secret all these years, I don't think the credit card crime, that was due to go away in a couple of weeks anyway, as I recall, would have been enough reason for UMass to expel Maura.
Plus, if they wished to expel her, they probably wouldn't have treated her as a graduating student: http://goo.gl/Ua0OyT .

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