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For those living in New Hampshire, tomorrow night, Wednesday, February 5th, at 11:00 p.m., WMUR is airing a program called "The Maura Murray Mystery: Ten Years Later." Fred is shown being interviewed, as well as Jeff Strelzin.
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I never said she was getting expelled - she might have been embaressed to live in the dorm where people looked at her differently.
No, but I believe someone else suggested this might have been the case. I agree that she may have been experiencing difficulties in her dorm, where others may have known of her credit card theft.

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You are 100% correct my premise is not proven fact. I was trying to show James a plausable theory of how MM left, but did plan to return if not for the accident.
this is nothing personal toward you, and others, but i don 't see the value in imagining the countless scenarios over so many years without having the ability to apply evidence to test and prove / disprove. perhaps i am oriented to a more practical, realistic view of the world; after all, i choose non-fiction over fiction 10 times out of 10.

it is unknown, at least to the public, whether she traveled via 91 or 93...distinctly different routes and slightly different experiences.

no matter how many times someone tries yo interpret the Salamone contact, nothing solid comes from it.

what is the value of imagining "what would Maura do?" or "how would Maura feel?" without knowing Maura? and the people who do know her will not share her personal information.

some of us do not advance theories because the holes and gaps are too wide to fill.

who can definitively explain why she packed up her dorm room mid-semester? i think JRenner's only chance to write more than is already known to the public is to snag another interview with someone close to Maura, just like the Megan interview. he does this well.

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@ Snowy --

1. This is a legitimate question; I am not criticizing you. Do you believe that theorizing about Maura's disappearance should be avoided? If so, what do you think should be discussed here?

Again, I am not criticizing you. I want to understand your perspective.

2. You wrote: "what is the value of imagining 'what would Maura do?' or 'how would Maura feel?' without knowing Maura?[A]nd the people who do know her will not share her personal information."

One thing echoed in interviews with Fred, Sharon and Maura's friends is that Maura's departure was unlike her. Isn't is possible that no one really knew Maura (at least in the way that you mean)?
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Umass Amherst student code of ethics http://www.umass.edu/dean_students/downloads/...

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Funhouse wrote:
Umass Amherst student code of ethics http://www.umass.edu/dean_students/downloads/...
"[B]ehavior or allegations of behavior ... that could result in expulsion, suspension and/or removal from housing ... include, but are not limited to ... state violations ...."

So, something more expansive than the alleged commission of an act that constitutes a crime under state law could result in the stated consequences.

What evidence is there that the school intended to exercise this apparently limitless power to punish students?
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She must have been at least kicked out of the dorm if not suspended from shool right? Did she not use a credit card number that she stole from another student? generally students get suspended from school for a semester when they got caught stealing from other students.

What White House is saying about her possibly looking for other housing sounds reasonable to me. that could also explain the boxes and the money is at Fred had on him. and Fred doesn't strike me as the guy who would be saying in interviews that he was looking for houses with his daughter because she was kicked out of the dorm. its funny this poster lighthouse on the Internet makes more sense than what more is own father said.
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Maruchan wrote:
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Yes there are.
"The Seasons Condominium Resort consists of 176 one and two bedroom condominium units in a peaceful 45 acre wooded setting just south of Route 302 in Bartlett, New Hampshire."
"All of our units will sleep 2-10 guests and have a fully equipped kitchen, dining area and living room. There is one bedroom plus a large loft area with additional bedding, making it perfect for families with children."
When I have been single in my life, I have rented entire cabins/condos/houses with several bedrooms for just myself. When you are single, that's what you do. When that's all that's available, or when it's the most affordable, that's what you do. In Maura's case, she checked out a place she was familiar with, and if a two-bedroom was the only one advertised, or the cheapest one advertised, or simply the floor plan/location she was familiar with and liked, then it makes sense for her to have looked into it. Making a telephone call to check availability of a two-bedroom condo does not make it any type of fact that she was traveling with anybody other than herself.
Youre going to take the word of that place's own website over the word of a journalist from ohio? there are no singles in the entire complex JR just said so, you need to work on your sources maruchan.
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James - I think your missing part of the equation here. Cash doesn't really help buying a car, but it is almost certainly needed to secure a apartment at short notice because landlords don't want to have a check bounce after going into a lease.
I see $5000 cash -"Saturday looking" and a dorm packed and one would have to atleast say it is very plausable that she was moving out.
How does cash not help you buy a car? how else was he going to pay?
otherwise I agree with you and really his whole story about buying cars makes no sense. in addition to making no sense he told a completely different story to the authorities than he told the public. if he is telling the truth shouldn't there only be one story? I don't think that he helped her run away and start a new life in fact I think that is one of the stupidest theories out there but I think there is a rather good chance that he could be a suspect in her disappearance.
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I dunno if its just me, but I give up.
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Maruchan also stated in excellent point about her also searching for directions to the berkshires. every place that she searched for directions to were all places where people might go to relax for a few days.
what is the theory that she was running away forever even based on the fact that her room was packed in boxes? what else did she do that showed any indication she was planning on starting a new life?

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Not Without Peril wrote:
@ Snowy --
1. This is a legitimate question; I am not criticizing you. Do you believe that theorizing about Maura's disappearance should be avoided? If so, what do you think should be discussed here?
Again, I am not criticizing you. I want to understand your perspective.
2. You wrote: "what is the value of imagining 'what would Maura do?' or 'how would Maura feel?' without knowing Maura?[A]nd the people who do know her will not share her personal information."
One thing echoed in interviews with Fred, Sharon and Maura's friends is that Maura's departure was unlike her. Isn't is possible that no one really knew Maura (at least in the way that you mean)?
1) i believe there is value in knowing history, and that building an accurate timeline with what little is known and is verified as facts is useful. mixing the disproportionately few facts that are known with fiction and lore is less useful. endlessly arguing points of fiction is completely useless, imo.
i believe the reinterpretation of history, by creating and assigning meaning and context to words and ideas that are not fact-based, and perhaps were originally quoted incorrectly or recorded out of context, is a futile exercise, especially when the principals in Maura's life, family and friends, keep their personal knowledge of her close.
this is not scientific research, whereby testing will prove a certain result. i believe the answers, the proof, will come only with hard evidence, when it appears or is uncovered, but not forced.
indulging in "what if" and then acting upon one's ideas does prove, however, to be dangerous when applied to and turned toward targeting strangers. one must never believe everything one thinks.

2) it is possible, of course, but Fred and others have been suspiciously hostile and aggressive by their accusations made against strangers while, at the same time, not being forthcoming about Maura, herself, and choosing only to place her in an unrealistically good light.
Chandra Levy's parents appeared to be genuinely baffled, and some hard evidence pointed to Gary Condit, but the ultimate resolution was not what the public came to expect.
i suggest reserving one's belief and investment in choosing a certain outcome; the answers have not yet arrived.

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dontletgo wrote:
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How does cash not help you buy a car? how else was he going to pay?
otherwise I agree with you and really his whole story about buying cars makes no sense. in addition to making no sense he told a completely different story to the authorities than he told the public. if he is telling the truth shouldn't there only be one story? I don't think that he helped her run away and start a new life in fact I think that is one of the stupidest theories out there but I think there is a rather good chance that he could be a suspect in her disappearance.
Even if he was going to really purchase MM a new car whether they looked at apts or car doesn't debunk the theory she wasn't living in the dorm, or she was leaving soon,. She could have needed a better car because she might have a longer commute.
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SnowyB wrote:
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1) i believe there is value in knowing history, and that building an accurate timeline with what little is known and is verified as facts is useful. mixing the disproportionately few facts that are known with fiction and lore is less useful. endlessly arguing points of fiction is completely useless, imo.
i believe the reinterpretation of history, by creating and assigning meaning and context to words and ideas that are not fact-based, and perhaps were originally quoted incorrectly or recorded out of context, is a futile exercise, especially when the principals in Maura's life, family and friends, keep their personal knowledge of her close.
this is not scientific research, whereby testing will prove a certain result. i believe the answers, the proof, will come only with hard evidence, when it appears or is uncovered, but not forced.
indulging in "what if" and then acting upon one's ideas does prove, however, to be dangerous when applied to and turned toward targeting strangers. one must never believe everything one thinks.
2) it is possible, of course, but Fred and others have been suspiciously hostile and aggressive by their accusations made against strangers while, at the same time, not being forthcoming about Maura, herself, and choosing only to place her in an unrealistically good light.
Chandra Levy's parents appeared to be genuinely baffled, and some hard evidence pointed to Gary Condit, but the ultimate resolution was not what the public came to expect.
i suggest reserving one's belief and investment in choosing a certain outcome; the answers have not yet arrived.
The only value in speculation is in opening thought to other possibilities. This will not be solved by speculation alone but the investigation, if any real "in the know" investigators are watching the discussion, could be furthered if some closely held fact finally makes sense when mixed with speculation. It will not result in resolution but could guide the true investigation. It will not happen here, or at Renner's or Sam's or Websleuths since the facts that are known and confirmed are not known by anyone but LE. Speculation has it's place and should not be disregarded but whoever has the facts needs to be paying attention.

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Lighthouse 101 wrote:
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Even if he was going to really purchase MM a new car whether they looked at apts or car doesn't debunk the theory she wasn't living in the dorm, or she was leaving soon,. She could have needed a better car because she might have a longer commute.
fanciful thinking, your "theory" that she "wasn't living in the dorm".

if it were your daughter, you might have had a hint as to which of the ongoing issues precipitated her leaving campus, and a possible reason for her lying to excuse her absence.

and when you discovered her missing, you might have traveled to UMASS at some point early on to question as many friends, profs, advisors, employers and friend of friends to help answer the obvious questions.

FM is silent about his knowledge, as are investigators, but the public, 10 years later, builds endless theories that cannot be proven and lead nowhere.

likewise, it gives other posters longevity for having to counter-argue and set the record straight.
some posts assert historical "knowledge" that is so mixed with fallacy and twisted by repetition that it would be exhausting to address them, even though they appear less frequently than in the past.
i think that's why Bill keeps it simple and sticks to dealing with the Shack-line-of-reasoning.

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Speculation wrote:
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The only value in speculation is in opening thought to other possibilities. This will not be solved by speculation alone but the investigation, if any real "in the know" investigators are watching the discussion, could be furthered if some closely held fact finally makes sense when mixed with speculation. It will not result in resolution but could guide the true investigation. It will not happen here, or at Renner's or Sam's or Websleuths since the facts that are known and confirmed are not known by anyone but LE. Speculation has it's place and should not be disregarded but whoever has the facts needs to be paying attention.
to date - endless speculation from tainted information and faulty premises have yielded - nada. lots of collateral carnage, however.
but, hey, that's just always been my opinion.
it can't be denied that the legitimate media has kept her story alive for 10 years, not the sub-sleuthers.
Renner chose a difficult task. i'm surprised he engaged the "crowd", which, imo, confused more than clarified. it makes sense to read the history, but the drama was avoidable.

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i'd say Renner has turned quit hostile toward the Murray family, likely as a result of their not talking to him.
he, therefore, was compelled to search around them.
as a result, factual information gathered has been hard won, and his conclusions may not, ultimately, be accurate.
if Murray family secrets exist that could point investigators in a certain direction, then they remain well hidden, in spite of Renner.
if no secrets remain, then her family needs not fear Renner.
Renner's interactions and relationship with this family have been the most critical, aside from the official investigation.
there is no doubt that the circus will be in town for many years to come.

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sorry...a more complete thought is...

as a result, factual information gathered has been hard won, and his conclusions may not, ultimately, be accurate because critical pieces of missing information are inaccessible to him.
perhaps the timing was not right for FM to engage with JR; the official investigation is not closed, and the case is cold. impossible circumstances and difficult dynamics for someone to come along and want to record your family's unflattering history in a permanent way.
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dontletgo wrote:
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Youre going to take the word of that place's own website over the word of a journalist from ohio? there are no singles in the entire complex JR just said so, you need to work on your sources maruchan.
If you read the website (or talk to the people who own the places) you'll see that the only "singles" they have are literally Penthouses. Do you really believe Maura was going to stay in a Penthouse by herself? Nobody books Penthouses for themselves. She was interested in the sort of double-bedroom condos the Salamones had.
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