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hannah_b wrote:

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What´s with the doll head? Never heard of that?

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Wowzer the real one wrote:

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I think she's still here either under a different name or just lurking. Could be wrong though.

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oo00oo wrote:

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Her tongue must be bleeding from biting it,if she is just lurking. I always wondered if she was R.S.

Snowy wrote:

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who is RS? give us a clue.

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oo00oo wrote:

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oz choem I might have totally butchered the second part.

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Snowy wrote:

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uuhhhh, i anticipated that answer. the problem is that it has been very difficult to know where to look....from Amherst to NH or Canada and beyond. it would be one thing if Helena were the point person....but very odd and confusing to have a posse that disseminates misinformation.

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That's assuming she's alive, which I still doubt. I read on Renners blog she had said she wished she could just run away to a friend. I don't take a whole bunch of stock in that because I have heard countless people say the same thing and they're still here.
Then the phone call that pinged off a Londonderry NH cell tower, could have been anyone, she did have friends, yet many feel it was a boyfriend trying to contact her, if that were the case why didn't she have her phone turned on, not well planned if that were the case.
Then the mystery truck on rt 112, that MAY have had mass plates, I travel that same area a couple times a month, and many vehicles I see have Mass plates, nothing odd there IF it was accurate.
I honestly feel the accident was legit, no evil tailpipe rag stuffer involved. I think her state of mind was much more distressed than some wish to believe such as Fred and friends. Panicked people do foolish things out of character especially young adults.
I hold more faith in Forciers sighting than most anything else, being an athlete she may well have felt she could make to her destination on foot, and as I have stated many times hypothermia can be a subtle monster that will catch you off guard and for some when it's too late.
Prime example is the Woman from NH a few years back that was found dead off the Maine turnpike and the search dog also lost her trail on the other side of the highway when the woman was about 1/4 mile away on the abandoned car side of the road, dead from hypothermia. The theory once again was, she was PICKED UP!
If Maura ran she has done a tremendous job of hiding and in light of her mother's passing and the pain she has caused others. I don't see her as that cold, unless shame has over ruled all else.
Renner stated the police have no obligation to disclose if she's alive and know her location, then why would the state of NH waste time and money opening a cold case file, doesn't add up.
I think at this point one may have a better chance finding the holy grail than Maura if she wandered off into the woods and perished. I have traveled that road and even during hunting and hiking season do not see people hunting or hiking other than well defined trails. Very few cars on the side of the road and most are at the river or pulloffs. Heck I can't tell you how many times I've put something down in my house and couldn't find it, I can't imagine looking for a person in that thick unforgiving wilderness.

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Snowy wrote:

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it could be fair to say she's alive until there is physical evidence that she is deceased. that she is on the CCU list as suspiciously 'disappeared', and given they have more information than the public, then foul play is a possibility.
i recall the woman you mention found close to where her car was abandoned on the Maine Tpk. her extreme mental illness factored into the scenario, and i don't believe she was 'picked up'- she wandered and was found within days.
success during the early attempts to find her in the wilderness would have been more likely than any chance today for obvious reasons. still, local residents have combed the woods in and around the area of where she was supposedly last seen...people who know every inch of the woods. you'd think some trace of her would have become evident.
did she have reason to run from her father? from Billy? from school? her family may know those answers.
all in all, i agree with your thoughts and your post.

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NHwoodshome wrote:

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Hi Snowy; the problem is the enormity of the area, the thick underbrush and the terrain. Many have driven roads, walked roads and searched easily accessed areas. but having been to the area and about 20 years ago hunted it ( once ) you couldn't imagine, but a body could be 5 feet away and in many places unless you stepped on the person you could easily miss it. Boulders, dips in terrain brush etc.
The girl who died in Maine did have issues, but many assumed she was picked up because the dog lost her scent yet she was not far away. I make this point because so many put blind faith in scent dogs, if it lost the scent at Butch's house that's where something happened, which in the Maine/NH case proves different.
I also understand they search where she was last seen, but she could have gone a few more miles or taken rt 116 which runs in two directions very near where she was perhaps seen by Forcier. I am not sure if you have read Renners blog, I am not really impressed with much of it though he has made some points. He doesn't paint a very nice picture of Maura for the most part, but I don't think she was much different than many young college students. Kids do dumb things, as do adults!
I just find it sad her mother passing without an answer and Fred may face the same fate of not knowing. If she's dead I think at this point it will be nothing short of a miracle if her remains are found, if she's alive time is on the side of her being found.

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WTH-the-original wrote:

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I'm trying to figure out if there are really 4 people that stupid that disagree with what you are saying, or if it is just one mindless drone who is hitting the button four times?
Not that it really matters, it just makes me laugh hysterically. Some of these people appear to be so clueless I really wonder how they manage to survive in the world without having a keeper to monitor their day to day activities so they don't wind up accidentally hurting themselves. You know opening and closing doors, turning on and using electrical appliances. Must be pretty scary and dangerous stuff to this crowd. And it is clear that most of the button pushers don't actually post. That would likely show just how uniformed they are.
I'm guessing that it is just one person. They need to track him/her down and not allow him/her to play with the institutions computers anymore.
Bill

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Snowy wrote:

here's a quick link...the first one of relevance to Sarah Rogers. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/15/sara...
there is no indication that this woman's death was attributable to circumstances other than hypothermia and her known serious mental health issues. i recall the extreme dignity and moving sorrow of this family while they awaited the news of her being found.
i also recall the ducks jumping right in, as they do in all cases of the missing in northern new england, trying very hard to link it with MM. they are very transparent in this regard.
i can't speak to the scent dog issue in the MM case with any S+R knowledge. that has been reviewed many times.
i'd think that any entry by MM into the woods would have been noticed in the area of the extensive searches during the first several weeks...or that a body, if it existed, would have been recovered during the first year, given the scrutiny of local residents and LE. i know the terrain is described as exceedingly rough and the foliage as dense...but, still, it's not as if no one looked.

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NHwoodshome wrote:

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The problem I see with the search is some if not much of it was uncoordinated and due to this no one knows who's footprints are who's in the snow. Areas are searched multiple times and others left untouched. Also a person could easily take a step off the road in some places and it would be difficult to see. Having some experience in search and rescue ( military ) the proper way is a well planned grid search and in this area it would just about have to be hand to hand its so thick. Also many of the searchers weren't trained in what to look for. Sadly it takes alot of manpower which I'm sure wasn't available and everyone did the best they could and that's all one can expect.
I have to question her having a relationship in the area, I would assume somewhere there would be a trail like phone records or e-mail. People have to have contact somehow, I wonder if the phone at the desk she worked at in college was ever for calls to the northern NH region if it was possible. Perhaps there is a paper trail and it just hasn't been disclosed. Also the lack of secure custody by PD of Maura's PC in the beginning may have been a missed opportunity.
Then we originally hear all the alcohol other than the spilled wine was removed by Maura, Mr. Renner says he called Haverhill NH PD and they said all the alcohol was accounted for, why are they releasing information on an open investigation, if they really did?
The only blame I lay at the feet of the PD the first night is first not looking very far easterly ESPECIALLY when they see a cracked windshield which officer Smith I believe stated was due to impact from the drivers head. Ever hear of concussion or delayed brain bleed, this should have immediately raised concern. I do agree people leave the scene of a DUI, but this had a potential head injury.
Perhaps it would have been difficult to round up needed resources at that hour in northern NH, but seems like they lost all of Tuesday not taking the situation as serious as it now known. So many ifs and buts and in reality to those of us not involved in the investigation seemingly NO clues. I do believe if law enforcement had the chance for a do over the outcome may have been different and I am sure some involved have nightmares over this.

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NHwoodshome wrote:

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I have to question her having a relationship in the area, I would assume somewhere there would be a trail like phone records or e-mail.

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NHwoodshome wrote:

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Hi Snowy; the problem is the enormity of the area, the thick underbrush and the terrain. Many have driven roads, walked roads and searched easily accessed areas. but having been to the area and about 20 years ago hunted it ( once ) you couldn't imagine, but a body could be 5 feet away and in many places unless you stepped on the person you could easily miss it. Boulders, dips in terrain brush etc.
The girl who died in Maine did have issues, but many assumed she was picked up because the dog lost her scent yet she was not far away. I make this point because so many put blind faith in scent dogs, if it lost the scent at Butch's house that's where something happened, which in the Maine/NH case proves different.
I also understand they search where she was last seen, but she could have gone a few more miles or taken rt 116 which runs in two directions very near where she was perhaps seen by Forcier. I am not sure if you have read Renners blog, I am not really impressed with much of it though he has made some points. He doesn't paint a very nice picture of Maura for the most part, but I don't think she was much different than many young college students. Kids do dumb things, as do adults!
I just find it sad her mother passing without an answer and Fred may face the same fate of not knowing. If she's dead I think at this point it will be nothing short of a miracle if her remains are found, if she's alive time is on the side of her being found.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

<quoted text>NHwoodshome have you searched or really walked in the woods in the winter? While I agree it's near impossible to find someone in the woods in the summertime I think it's much easier to see quite far into the woods in the winter with the leaves gone than in the summer when you can see nothing but green.
If she did wander off the road there would be prints of somekind in the snow. It wasn't cold enough for a person to not leave any prints. They did a search with dogs in the area of 112/116 area and beyond so the area where Forcier said he saw her was searched.

Rendezvous wrote:

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She was not meeting someone from New Hampshire. She was meeting someone from Massachusetts. He/she called her from Londonderry as they were both driving to/in New Hampshire. They didn't know that there was no cell contact in the place of her accident because the accident wasn't planned to happen. They were planning to rendezvous somewhere else and lost contact. He/she went looking for her. This was all preplanned if all went as planned no cell contact was necessary.

NHwoodshome wrote:

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The problem I see with the search is some if not much of it was uncoordinated and due to this no one knows who's footprints are who's in the snow. Areas are searched multiple times and others left untouched. Also a person could easily take a step off the road in some places and it would be difficult to see. Having some experience in search and rescue ( military ) the proper way is a well planned grid search and in this area it would just about have to be hand to hand its so thick. Also many of the searchers weren't trained in what to look for. Sadly it takes alot of manpower which I'm sure wasn't available and everyone did the best they could and that's all one can expect.
I have to question her having a relationship in the area, I would assume somewhere there would be a trail like phone records or e-mail. People have to have contact somehow, I wonder if the phone at the desk she worked at in college was ever for calls to the northern NH region if it was possible. Perhaps there is a paper trail and it just hasn't been disclosed. Also the lack of secure custody by PD of Maura's PC in the beginning may have been a missed opportunity.
Then we originally hear all the alcohol other than the spilled wine was removed by Maura, Mr. Renner says he called Haverhill NH PD and they said all the alcohol was accounted for, why are they releasing information on an open investigation, if they really did?
The only blame I lay at the feet of the PD the first night is first not looking very far easterly ESPECIALLY when they see a cracked windshield which officer Smith I believe stated was due to impact from the drivers head. Ever hear of concussion or delayed brain bleed, this should have immediately raised concern. I do agree people leave the scene of a DUI, but this had a potential head injury.
Perhaps it would have been difficult to round up needed resources at that hour in northern NH, but seems like they lost all of Tuesday not taking the situation as serious as it now known. So many ifs and buts and in reality to those of us not involved in the investigation seemingly NO clues. I do believe if law enforcement had the chance for a do over the outcome may have been different and I am sure some involved have nightmares over this.