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Wowzer"I was quiet on the MMM forum and just watched the bashing that went on"Wowzer you have complained because I have not personally gone after some of the posters. But yet you have stated that you were quiet and just watched the bashing that went on. If you felt so strongly about what was being said why did you not comment on it?
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i, too, nearly brought up the fervor and novelty surrounding online discussions in '04, but that would still not justify the incredible history of, for example, Shack's role in settling scores in NH. surely, some compromised their own moral values in the name of MM...or just for the helluva it.
this is only an observation, and obviously, not a solution.
Through out the years there have been so many thoughts theorys and opinions from posters as to what they think may have happened to Maura and why she left Amherst. Regardless as to what peoples thoughts theorys and opinpions are our family wants closure as to where and what happened to Maura. She is deeply loved and missed by many.
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Wowzer"I was quiet on the MMM forum and just watched the bashing that went on"Wowzer you have complained because I have not personally gone after some of the posters. But yet you have stated that you were quiet and just watched the bashing that went on. If you felt so strongly about what was being said why did you not comment on it?
i feel certain Wowzer will answer you directly....but when i first came to MM/Topix threads, i made a personal determination that Wowzer's posts were honest, rational, and often humorous. imo, she has remained true to that assessment.
at that time, i also witnessed the piling on to Wowzer on these MM threads whenever she ventured an opinion, and attempted to be a voice representing her communities. she always stood her ground.
actually, she is one of the reasons i remain here....WTH/Bill is a close second. they seek facts, and tell it like it is. another competing reason for my unfortunate tenure in the eyes of some, is, of course, that i look forward to the day when there is news about Maura's location.
all in all, i can imagine the original MMM forum was quite intimidating to kind, well-meaning people who once wanted to help "find" Maura.
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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>Through out the years there have been so many thoughts theorys and opinions from posters as to what they think may have happened to Maura and why she left Amherst. Regardless as to what peoples thoughts theorys and opinpions are our family wants closure as to where and what happened to Maura. She is deeply loved and missed by many.
i feel certain that is true....and she's captured the hearts of many who think and talk about her often. i trust those folks won't be going away anytime soon, either.
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What happened to Renner? Is he taking a break or did something happen? I thought if he was busy he might have left a note. Has anyone seen new comments posted or had correspondence with him? Thanks.
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i feel certain Wowzer will answer you directly....but when i first came to MM/Topix threads, i made a personal determination that Wowzer's posts were honest, rational, and often humorous. imo, she has remained true to that assessment.
at that time, i also witnessed the piling on to Wowzer on these MM threads whenever she ventured an opinion, and attempted to be a voice representing her communities. she always stood her ground.
actually, she is one of the reasons i remain here....WTH/Bill is a close second. they seek facts, and tell it like it is. another competing reason for my unfortunate tenure in the eyes of some, is, of course, that i look forward to the day when there is news about Maura's location.
all in all, i can imagine the original MMM forum was quite intimidating to kind, well-meaning people who once wanted to help "find" Maura.
I to have represented Wowzers community in past postings. But know one seems to remember that. I have personally been attacked when ever I have said anything nice to say about the people from NH because I have not personally gone up against posters that Wowzer disagrees with or others disagree with. I feel that this is unfair to me because in my past postings I have said I appreciate what people have done on behalf of Maura and the support they have given to our Family.
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i feel certain that is true....and she's captured the hearts of many who think and talk about her often. i trust those folks won't be going away anytime soon, either.
Although thoughts theorys and opinions as to what happened to Maura are different I truly believe everyone wants her to be found.

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citigirl wrote:
Wowzer"I was quiet on the MMM forum and just watched the bashing that went on"Wowzer you have complained because I have not personally gone after some of the posters. But yet you have stated that you were quiet and just watched the bashing that went on. If you felt so strongly about what was being said why did you not comment on it?
Really? You really have to ask??
I came to the forum after hearing about it on our local news thinking that maybe I could be of some help living in the area. Boy I changed my mind in a hurry.
I watched my friends, neighbors, PD and the whole state being called scum,illiterate, rats in a nest etc.etc. I also watched a couple of locals and a few others get squashed like a bug for daring to have different ideas than the "group" or asking certain questions that never got a reply.
It doesn't take much of a brain to figure out I wasn't going to put myself into a position where some nasty ugly, hateful people could also call me names and ban me from the forum if they didn't like what I had to say. There were many more than me that just lurked as it was obvious the forum was more about calling the locals names and accusing them of having a part in her disappearance than it was a forum to discuss the case of a missing girl and try to figure out what happened to her.
There was one man there that had the decency to stand up many times when the bashing went on and tell them it was wrong. He told them till he was blue in the face and when it did absolutely no good he finally left. He knows who he is but probably doesn't know he had a cheer leader team rooting for him.

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What happened to Renner? Is he taking a break or did something happen? I thought if he was busy he might have left a note. Has anyone seen new comments posted or had correspondence with him? Thanks.
Beagle I believe he is in the process of writing another book.

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text> I to have represented Wowzers community in past postings. But know one seems to remember that. I have personally been attacked when ever I have said anything nice to say about the people from NH because I have not personally gone up against posters that Wowzer disagrees with or others disagree with. I feel that this is unfair to me because in my past postings I have said I appreciate what people have done on behalf of Maura and the support they have given to our Family.
You say now how nice the locals are and how helpful.
Here's a question for you citigirl.
Did you ever even once stand up openly on any of the forums but especially the MMM forum and tell shack she was being mean and hateful and to knock off the crap she was saying about these people that you think are so nice?
It was openly stated many times the harm she was doing but yet no one said a word to her or any of the other bashers.Why was the bashing allowed to continue for years? Can you tell me why citigirl?

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i feel certain Wowzer will answer you directly....but when i first came to MM/Topix threads, i made a personal determination that Wowzer's posts were honest, rational, and often humorous. imo, she has remained true to that assessment.
at that time, i also witnessed the piling on to Wowzer on these MM threads whenever she ventured an opinion, and attempted to be a voice representing her communities. she always stood her ground.
actually, she is one of the reasons i remain here....WTH/Bill is a close second. they seek facts, and tell it like it is. another competing reason for my unfortunate tenure in the eyes of some, is, of course, that i look forward to the day when there is news about Maura's location.
all in all, i can imagine the original MMM forum was quite intimidating to kind, well-meaning people who once wanted to help "find" Maura.
Thank you Snowy.
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Really? You really have to ask??
I came to the forum after hearing about it on our local news thinking that maybe I could be of some help living in the area. Boy I changed my mind in a hurry.
I watched my friends, neighbors, PD and the whole state being called scum,illiterate, rats in a nest etc.etc. I also watched a couple of locals and a few others get squashed like a bug for daring to have different ideas than the "group" or asking certain questions that never got a reply.
It doesn't take much of a brain to figure out I wasn't going to put myself into a position where some nasty ugly, hateful people could also call me names and ban me from the forum if they didn't like what I had to say. There were many more than me that just lurked as it was obvious the forum was more about calling the locals names and accusing them of having a part in her disappearance than it was a forum to discuss the case of a missing girl and try to figure out what happened to her.
There was one man there that had the decency to stand up many times when the bashing went on and tell them it was wrong. He told them till he was blue in the face and when it did absolutely no good he finally left. He knows who he is but probably doesn't know he had a cheer leader team rooting for him.
Anything else you want to know?
Thank you Wowzer. Yes I really did have to ask because I did not have a computer the first several years after Maura disappeared.
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Wowzer the real one wrote:
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You say now how nice the locals are and how helpful.
Here's a question for you citigirl.
Did you ever even once stand up openly on any of the forums but especially the MMM forum and tell shack she was being mean and hateful and to knock off the crap she was saying about these people that you think are so nice?
It was openly stated many times the harm she was doing but yet no one said a word to her or any of the other bashers.Why was the bashing allowed to continue for years? Can you tell me why citigirl?
No I did not personally attack people on the forum and neither did you. But what I did do is say how supportive the people were in our search for Maura and how the locals helped.

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>No I did not personally attack people on the forum and neither did you. But what I did do is say how supportive the people were in our search for Maura and how the locals helped.
I don't understand. Are you saying that by telling a rage filled person that is bashing the very people that you think were so supportive is personally attacking that person or am I misunderstanding?
When exactly did you compliment the locals as to how supportive and helpful they were. I must have missed that.
Was it when all the bashing was going on?
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I don't understand. Are you saying that by telling a rage filled person that is bashing the very people that you think were so supportive is personally attacking that person or am I misunderstanding?
When exactly did you compliment the locals as to how supportive and helpful they were. I must have missed that.
Was it when all the bashing was going on?
You personally attacked me because I did not personally attack the ones that were making statements about the people from NH on the forum. I have supported the people from NH on the MM forum as well as here in the past. I supported the people way back and was willing to do an interview with white wash way back because I felt bad with what was being said. I truly believed because I traveled up there so often and was interviewing many people up there that my opinion would matter. Sadly to say this ended up not being the case. Yes it was when all the bashing was going on because I felt many people from NH were not getting potraited in the right way.
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I never follow the thoughts and opinions of others. I always go with what my heart tells me to do.
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Lauren do you know Fred or Helena Murray? Were you personally present the first time Fred walked into LE? Were you personally present when Fred and Helena had any conversations?

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citigirl wrote:
<quoted text>You personally attacked me because I did not personally attack the ones that were making statements about the people from NH on the forum. I have supported the people from NH on the MM forum as well as here in the past. I supported the people way back and was willing to do an interview with white wash way back because I felt bad with what was being said. I truly believed because I traveled up there so often and was interviewing many people up there that my opinion would matter. Sadly to say this ended up not being the case. Yes it was when all the bashing was going on because I felt many people from NH were not getting potraited in the right way.
Citigirl wrote:**Yes I really did have to ask because I did not have a computer the first several years after Maura disappeared.**
I guess you really didn't have to ask as you were there according to your own words.
Telling someone you think they are wrong for calling good people names and accusing them of things is NOT personally attacking someone.
You stood up for no one and you outright lied about not having a computer. When the bashing went on you did absolutely nothing.
I don't know what you are trying to prove here but it's not working. And now I don't believe a word you say.
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squashed like a bug

Squashed like a bug ..... and then deleted. Helena was very quick on the delete button. People were deleted before they ever got a chance to defend themselves against the attacking cult groupies. And then Firefraud who never met Helena, Maura or any member of the Murray family and has never been to NH or MA tells us Helena's illness was caused by all the contrary postings that she had to read (before she deleted them). You can make someone sick by speaking the truth or by defending the innocent? I don't think so.
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Citigirl wrote:**Yes I really did have to ask because I did not have a computer the first several years after Maura disappeared.**
I guess you really didn't have to ask as you were there according to your own words.
Telling someone you think they are wrong for calling good people names and accusing them of things is NOT personally attacking someone.
You stood up for no one and you outright lied about not having a computer. When the bashing went on you did absolutely nothing.
I don't know what you are trying to prove here but it's not working. And now I don't believe a word you say.
No Wowzer the first couple of years I did not have a computer so I did not lie. But when I did get one I did give good feed back about my experiences with the people from NH. Anytime since posting here on Topix you have asked me if I personally went after specific posters. No I have not personally gone after certain posters but niether have you. You basically said you sat back while you saw the people of NH bashed and said nothing. I at least said the good things that people have done on Mauras behalf on MM as well as Topix.

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