Maura Murray

Snowy wrote:

so, here's a post on MM is Missing FB page from a thinking individual:
Robin Ann Barron
"I have to say that I don't understand wanting public assistance to solve Maura's case while also only permitting certain possibilities to be discussed. If Maura chose to run away for whatever reaosn and has started a new life elsewhere, that is her business. I hope that doesn't sound harsh. If Maura was a vicitim of a crime, an investigation had to look at all possibilities and all information - and if LE is doing the investiagtion, they WILL find all relevant information. There is no information that Mr. Renner has found which could not be found by LE. If the intention is to limit inquiry in any particular way, I don't see how it can help to find out what happened to Maura.
October 18 at 5:12pm"

Good find snowy. This has been the problem from the beginning. I agree 100% with everything this poster says.

kitten wrote:

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Robin consistently makes good points on the MMM forum, but all the thinking individuals on the MMM facebook page are ignored. Helena dismisses out of hand any talk of Maura's time at UMass & who she was potentially seeing, as though she personally kept tabs on Maura's interactions on a campus of 20,000 people. Drinking the kool aid is required.
Was that you who replied to me on FB yesterday? I'm still trying to figure out who's who, this forum is much more populated than Amherst. I thought Shack was a man, for crying out loud.:)

Sounds like the FB forum is just a copy of the first MMM forum where the posters were allowed to talk only about certain subjects and replies were deleted at will by the moderater Helena.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Sounds like the FB forum is just a copy of the first MMM forum where the posters were allowed to talk only about certain subjects and replies were deleted at will by the moderater Helena.

Yes, that's exactly how it is. But the problem is that a good proportion of the 2100-odd people in the group will pile all over you for suggesting a new idea, which is exactly how Helena/the family wants it. That particular forum has been nearly silent since Renner revealed that Maura was seeing other men. They can't argue with facts, so they just don't discuss. Pretty spineless. I never post there myself anymore, just read what others say.

MrX wrote:

Crazy theory that has been visited before but in light of more and more personal information about MM becoming available is worth another shot: What if Maura planned all of this in order to runaway with someone new she met? The looking up cabins, making up excuses, not telling her family, packing up her stuff. What if it was all done to make everyone believe she was going away for a while when infact she was leaving for good? The carcrash did mess up her original plans but it didn't stop her from continuing on foot to wherever she was heading. Maybe Maura's emotional state and rather irrational behaviour weeks and days leading up to her dissapearance was due to the fact that she was struggling with the decision to start a new life and cut all ties to her old life?
I just seems so unlikely that a predator would pass by in that short window of time when MM was most vunerable. Even if she ran away and succumbed to the elements somebody should have found something by now. I'm starting to think MM planned to run away and start a new life with someone how would help her create a new identity. After all, there are several cases where people have stayed missing voluntarily for years and years, some even using their real names which proves it can be done. Why not Maura? Just throwing it out there..

MrX wrote:**I just seems so unlikely that a predator would pass by in that short window of time when MM was most vunerable.**
While not impossible I totally agree that it's very unlikely. I say this because I've walked this road and others nearby many times and never felt unsafe or had any problems.
I don't think your theory is crazy at all.

kitten wrote:

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Yes, that's exactly how it is. But the problem is that a good proportion of the 2100-odd people in the group will pile all over you for suggesting a new idea, which is exactly how Helena/the family wants it. That particular forum has been nearly silent since Renner revealed that Maura was seeing other men. They can't argue with facts, so they just don't discuss. Pretty spineless. I never post there myself anymore, just read what others say.

I'm very familiar with the pile-ons. Guess not much has changed except maybe Renner has upset the applecart in some way.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Sounds like the FB forum is just a copy of the first MMM forum where the posters were allowed to talk only about certain subjects and replies were deleted at will by the moderater Helena.

let reality be reality, as i'm sure you do. reality is that the same show moves from forum to forum.
i especially agree with ms. barron's quoted opinion:
" If Maura was a vicitim of a crime, an investigation had to look at all possibilities and all information - and if LE is doing the investiagtion, they WILL find all relevant information. There is no information that Mr. Renner has found which could not be found by LE."

Looking at the map, it seems most likely that she was meeting someone, and that someone was coming from the Eastern part of the state-- Hanson/Weymouth/Boston are all close to route 93. If Maura took 91 --> 302 --> 112, she'd meet up with 93 in the Lincoln area. There, she'd meet the person who called, and they'd continue to the Bartlett area on route 112. That's my best guess.

Hanson, MA to Londonderry, NH: http://maps.google.com/maps...

Amherst to Bartlett (gives alternate route that takes route 10 to route 93): http://maps.google.com/maps...

Sorry, posted that too soon. The end of my last post is supposed to say that 93 passes through Derry/Londonderry within the 22 miles needed to ping the cell tower. If Maura's companion was calling to give an ETA, that would have been a really good place to do it, being just about an hour from their meetup.

Lincoln NH to Bartlett NH: http://maps.google.com/maps...

kitten wrote:

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Robin consistently makes good points on the MMM forum, but all the thinking individuals on the MMM facebook page are ignored. Helena dismisses out of hand any talk of Maura's time at UMass & who she was potentially seeing, as though she personally kept tabs on Maura's interactions on a campus of 20,000 people. Drinking the kool aid is required.
Was that you who replied to me on FB yesterday? I'm still trying to figure out who's who, this forum is much more populated than Amherst. I thought Shack was a man, for crying out loud.:)

fortunately, i am not interested in following. i've seen enough over the years right from my seat here, and like Wowzer, have refused to engage in another playground. some truly wonderful, caring and intelligent folks have been kicked to the curb in the name of MM. they are not here anymore.
no, kitten, i didn't contact you or write on any MM associated FB page.
ha!ha! gender? who can tell these days. i'm told it's a choice.

kitten wrote:

Looking at the map, it seems most likely that she was meeting someone, and that someone was coming from the Eastern part of the state-- Hanson/Weymouth/Boston are all close to route 93. If Maura took 91 --> 302 --> 112, she'd meet up with 93 in the Lincoln area. There, she'd meet the person who called, and they'd continue to the Bartlett area on route 112. That's my best guess.
Hanson, MA to Londonderry, NH: http://maps.google.com/maps...
Amherst to Bartlett (gives alternate route that takes route 10 to route 93): http://maps.google.com/maps...

The most direct route to Bartlett from 112 would be to take Bear Notch Road. This road is closed in the winter though.

Snowy wrote:

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let reality be reality, as i'm sure you do. reality is that the same show moves from forum to forum.
i especially agree with ms. barron's quoted opinion:
" If Maura was a vicitim of a crime, an investigation had to look at all possibilities and all information - and if LE is doing the investiagtion, they WILL find all relevant information. There is no information that Mr. Renner has found which could not be found by LE."

"Could"that is the the key word.All information of course Could have been discovered by law enforcement but it is obvious that LE has not discovered all information or the case would have been solved by now. NH just implemented its cold case unit 2 years ago
so i am sure they have many cases to go through. This case involves at least two states NH and Ma so that makes the task of info gathering a little more difficult as well.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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MrX wrote:**I just seems so unlikely that a predator would pass by in that short window of time when MM was most vunerable.**
While not impossible I totally agree that it's very unlikely. I say this because I've walked this road and others nearby many times and never felt unsafe or had any problems.
I don't think your theory is crazy at all.

I'm right there with you. I'm on those roads all the time and have never felt unsafe or even mildly threatened (unless it smells like Black Bear!)

jwb wrote:

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"Could"that is the the key word.All information of course Could have been discovered by law enforcement but it is obvious that LE has not discovered all information or the case would have been solved by now. NH just implemented its cold case unit 2 years ago
so i am sure they have many cases to go through. This case involves at least two states NH and Ma so that makes the task of info gathering a little more difficult as well.

i agree with ms. barron. LE is presumed to have had any and and any access to Maura's family, friends and acquaintances. they have not released detailed info to the public.
they're 7 years ahead of renner.

lovely phrasing.
rewrite:
LE is presumed to have had any and all access to Maura's family, friends and acquaintances.

WTH-the-original wrote:

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Jesus SB. You really can't keep anyone straight, can you? I haven't said a word about any map(s).
Bill

My sincere apologies. It was not you who questioned my reference to the CCU maps - it was Snowy.

MrX wrote:

Crazy theory that has been visited before but in light of more and more personal information about MM becoming available is worth another shot: What if Maura planned all of this in order to runaway with someone new she met? The looking up cabins, making up excuses, not telling her family, packing up her stuff. What if it was all done to make everyone believe she was going away for a while when infact she was leaving for good? The carcrash did mess up her original plans but it didn't stop her from continuing on foot to wherever she was heading. Maybe Maura's emotional state and rather irrational behaviour weeks and days leading up to her dissapearance was due to the fact that she was struggling with the decision to start a new life and cut all ties to her old life?
I just seems so unlikely that a predator would pass by in that short window of time when MM was most vunerable. Even if she ran away and succumbed to the elements somebody should have found something by now. I'm starting to think MM planned to run away and start a new life with someone how would help her create a new identity. After all, there are several cases where people have stayed missing voluntarily for years and years, some even using their real names which proves it can be done. Why not Maura? Just throwing it out there..

Regarding "MrX"'s post: I think it is entirely possible that Maura planned to start over elsewhere - and possibly for no reasons which have come to light thus far. She is an adult. She has that right. She could choose to start another life and none of us has the least idead why she would do that or why she wouldn't contact family or friends ASSUMING that she has, if that's what she did, contacted no one. We don't know that either. I don't think there's anything to be gained from NOT looking at Maura's life before she went missing.

Here's a thought which just occurred to me: many see "obfuscation" - "red herrings" etc. It's an assumption that any such misdirections are intentional and understood or condoned in some way by Maura's family. What if there are obfuscations and red herrings but Maura's family is as baffled by them as are many of us? If there are such distractions, how can we possibly know the original source of those distractions? They could be innocently passed along by those who have been equally hoodwinked. Someone somewhere in this whole puzzle knows exactly what happened. I have no idea if this is someone who frequents any of these forums - it might be, it might not be. Still, when anyone makes global assumptions about "the locals" or "the family it seems worth considering that a partuclar member or memebrs of either group MIGHT know more than is being shared. Sorry this is so vague, but that's intentional. I don't KNOW any of this, but I wonder if it's possible.

Snowy wrote:

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i agree with ms. barron. LE is presumed to have had any and and any access to Maura's family, friends and acquaintances. they have not released detailed info to the public.
they're 7 years ahead of renner.

I agree that le has access to family acquaintances etc but that doesn't mean that that is where all the answers lie or does it? I am sure Mauras family wasn't privy to all that was going on with Maura. I have a 20 year old daughter and as much as I think I might know. I also Know that there are lots that she might not share with us.

Snowy wrote:

lovely phrasing.
rewrite:
LE is presumed to have had any and all access to Maura's family,

friends and acquaintances.

I read your post again and I must say your comment about the family being 7 years ahead of Renner is ignorant. You are assuming that the family knows all and that not onl;y that renner is behind the 8 ball but so is everyone else that is posting because they are not family. This is the underlying problem in why locals etc feel slighted. I guess you don't need anyone's help because you have the knowledge? Family members know what the answer is? Is that what snowy is saying?

jwb wrote:

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I read your post again and I must say your comment about the family being 7 years ahead of Renner is ignorant. You are assuming that the family knows all and that not onl;y that renner is behind the 8 ball but so is everyone else that is posting because they are not family. This is the underlying problem in why locals etc feel slighted. I guess you don't need anyone's help because you have the knowledge? Family members know what the answer is? Is that what snowy is saying?

Hmm, I'm understanding it in a different way. I take it that she was saying the LE is 7 years ahead of Renner, not family. Instead of you assuming what she meant why don't you ask her how she meant it before jumping all over her.

Wowzer the real one wrote:

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Hmm, I'm understanding it in a different way. I take it that she was saying the LE is 7 years ahead of Renner, not family. Instead of you assuming what she meant why don't you ask her how she meant it before jumping all over her.

ditto!